so what's the best strategy if you are protoss and your opponent is zerg and does that mushroom cloud thing? Is ther anything to dissolve it or do you just have to go through it or what? thx
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so what's the best strategy if you are protoss and your opponent is zerg and does that mushroom cloud thing? Is ther anything to dissolve it or do you just have to go through it or what? thx
i use the zerg and I use the defiler's cloud thing a lot, so I know what works against it. Basically, get your templars and psi storm like crazy.
have you ever had any opposing melee troups get inside that cloud?? bye bye zerg.
terrans struggle a bit more against the cloud than toss tho.
EMP / Irradiation against defiler does the trick. Otherwise pull your army back before u take a lot of damage.
Archons are your friend bcause they can damage multiple units at the same time with their warp thing.
Terrans have tank. Because of the splash, trying to send zergies or hydras through won't work because the tanks will still kill them.
Also, firebats tend to own any other melee except for the ultralisk.
Protoss have the all important reaver. They will decimate all ground troups if you have like 2 zealots up front and 2 reavers in abck.
Storm works but is wastefull since cloud will last longer. Dt's zealots work as a great combo since the dt's have almost one hit kills. Just don't get too many zerglings get around you. If you can get them to fight in a line, you'll win.
Also, firebats tend to own any other melee except for the ultralisk.
Protoss have the all important reaver. They will decimate all ground troups if you have like 2 zealots up front and 2 reavers in abck.
Storm works but is wastefull since cloud will last longer. Dt's zealots work as a great combo since the dt's have almost one hit kills. Just don't get too many zerglings get around you. If you can get them to fight in a line, you'll win.
yes, but people only make zealots in response to the cloud, which means its late in the game. Who would actually pump out zealots at that stage? so the production of zealots might not be fast enough. So the most effective counter is the psi storm.
You shouldn't let them tech all the way to cloud in the first place. A game should NEVER last that long, and even it does pressure should always be applied to prevent it from reaching there.
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yup, as stated before, anything that does splash damage can take out whatever is under the cloud. For terran, that would be seige tanks, firebats, and irradiate. For protoss, you can either use zealots or DT's, psi storm works REALLY well, cuz it absolutely decimates everthing under the cloud, which opponents usually gather their units at. if going up against another zerg player, zerglings, ultras and thows burrowed units (forgot what they're called) works well.
hmmm let me understand, the PSI storm will still kill under the cloud ? I thought the cloud would protect all under it? Also, same question for DTs.
I use Zealots in late game. I hit them with air early to get them to think I'm going for that, then later march seventy or eighty fully upgraded hyper-Zealots into their base and wreak havoc. Their air units can't kill them fast enough. 'Goons work too, but they roadblock themselves too easily.
no... the cloud only stops projectiles. Splash damage, spells, and melee aren't affected. Also if your zealots get into the cloud and they're fighting hydras, the hydras won't do any damage to the zealots.
Psi Storm will kill stuff under the cloud. Stuff that does splash damage, like Siege Tanks, and Reavers with their Scarabs, are good too.
Another tactic I've used as Protoss. Have some Corsairs with D-Web standing by. I always have a few to counter air or harrass Overlords anyway, you can D-Web the area of the cloud, so even if they're under the cloud, they can't attack unless they move out from under the D-Web. It will take a few webs to cover the area of the cloud though, Corsairs with the energy upgrade can get two D-Webs each if they're at maximum charge.
Protoss should try to not let zerg tech to ultra/crackling/defiler. At that point, protoss is at a disadvantage. Zerg will use ultras to soak damage and cracklings to deal real damage.
Your best bet in this situation is a mix of archon, zealot, dark templar , and as many templars as you can micro (don't make more than you can control comfortably). archons to hurt zerglings because of the splash damage, zealots to soak hits and dts to do damage to ultras. Mix in some sairs to kill overlords and thus prevent his detection of your DTs. Meanwhile, you should storm raid zerg's many expansions. Storm raid means drop shipping templar or 2, storming his workers, picking up and leaving before his forces come.
Protoss vs zerg late game is tough. You have to hold your own expansions and hope the zerg's many expansions run out of resources and his economy flatlines. Do not waste your army in a big battle against zerg, he can rebuild his army faster than you can.
Your best bet in this situation is a mix of archon, zealot, dark templar , and as many templars as you can micro (don't make more than you can control comfortably). archons to hurt zerglings because of the splash damage, zealots to soak hits and dts to do damage to ultras. Mix in some sairs to kill overlords and thus prevent his detection of your DTs. Meanwhile, you should storm raid zerg's many expansions. Storm raid means drop shipping templar or 2, storming his workers, picking up and leaving before his forces come.
Protoss vs zerg late game is tough. You have to hold your own expansions and hope the zerg's many expansions run out of resources and his economy flatlines. Do not waste your army in a big battle against zerg, he can rebuild his army faster than you can.
You need zealots, goons, archons, and templars. More zealots and a few archons vs a more zergling heavy army, more goons vs a lurker or ultralisk army, and a good mix of zealots, goons, archons, and templars if the zerg player has a well mixed army.
Versus "the cloud", aka dark swarm, you can either backup, psi storm everything inside it, and/or send in your zealots and archons.
dfi
Versus "the cloud", aka dark swarm, you can either backup, psi storm everything inside it, and/or send in your zealots and archons.
dfi
Heh, seems like a lot of people still play.
Anybody want to get a game going tonight?
To the OP. I'm not that great at the game but I think I can play a good enough zerg to illustrate to you the points in my post. I can also show you some pro replays and how they deal with the sticky situation that you have asked about.
My bnet name is amoeba6
Anybody want to get a game going tonight?
To the OP. I'm not that great at the game but I think I can play a good enough zerg to illustrate to you the points in my post. I can also show you some pro replays and how they deal with the sticky situation that you have asked about.
My bnet name is amoeba6
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