Starcraft AI is a Cheating ba$tard!!!

[quirky]

dont stop building miners until you hav so much money u dotn ahv to wory about it anymore. so basicaly with all thsi money hav like 5 barracks/gateways pumping atak units non stop.

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: RONType1

Originally posted by: Utterman
Starcraft comps..meh

Try playing a comp in Warcraft III:Q

OH YEAH! Talk about tough...

How true.......How true.....

 

[Adrian Tung]

Originally posted by: absolutiza

Originally posted by: MacBaine
First off, yes, it does cheat. It knows where you start and all. Second, it is much easier for the computer to build and manage itself because it can do any number of tasks at once. Build units, coordinate others, etc. Where as the human can only do one thing at a time. Bascally to beat the comp, you just need to build enough where you can fend off the first attack, and then keep attacking it to keep it weak.

that's the worst strategy i've ever heard

I disagree. That's a very valid strategy against AI. The hardest part in surviving against the AI is the initial rush. Once you survive that *and* manage to hit it back with an initial counter-attack, you should be able to pull through.

Of course, against humans, that's probably not going to work at all.


atwl

 

[ElFenix]

in BGH it was sooo easy to fend off the comp because it would always attack at the same point... so as protoss you could just leave a bunch of carriers there with shield batteries and keep killing the incoming until you had enough carriers to go wipe out the computer.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

Having carriers for the initial rush is kinda uh I cant find a word to describe it..... I mean a late game unit that requires tons of resources to make and time to tech to for the initial rush??!??

 

[GasX]

The Starcraft AI is dumb and predictable. 1 v. 1 it can be outrushed. 2 v. 1 and you have start using your brain. 7 v. 1 and you have to be better that I ever got.

If you want to play a really fun game that is made maddening by an AI that REALLY cheats, play Empire Earth. The computer will give itself resources for free and so can always beat you to a rush and can always repair damage you have done to its base. You have to put the hammer down to win one of those games!!!

 

[ElFenix]

the AI in the original mario kart cheated.

 

[Vortex22]

Try playing 3v1 Warcraft III AI. Ohh that's a tough one... no difficulty settings either, it is always set to "Annihilate Mode".

I found a replay of some guy that gave 3 comps a smackdown... cool game. Here (You need WCIII to view this file)

 

[Draknor]

Yeah, if you can survive the initial rush, you can probably beat the comp; esp if you follow-up with a counter attack..

And I've heard that the AI *starts* with extra minerals; it's not just the comp's efficiency, it also starts out ahead. They do this so the AI provides a challenge to players. I mean, think about it - if you're top players can take 7v1 when the comp has big advantages (extra starting resources, simultaneous micromanagement), then imagine how easy it would be if the comp started just like human players do??

But good luck! SC is a great game IMHO; I still play it (on occassion) after all these years!

Edit: Oh, another thing we've noticed; the computer(s) tend to rush whomever has the most units, or is the strongest. I typically play with 2-3 friends, and usually the computers will all gang up on whomever has the most units. So, maybe factor that into your strategy. IE don't have your son build tons of units right away - build them yourself to bolster defenses, get rushed, survive (!), and then you both build up & counterattack. Don't take my word for it - I can't guarantee they'll always attack the person with the most units, but that seems to be the trend I've noticed.

 

[SuperCyrix]

If you make 2 barracks and pump out 20 marines, they will stop a billion zerglings.
Heck, 20 marines can take out a billion zealots if they don't upgrade speed and armor.

 

[TranceNation]

lol, i can take out 6 comps vs myself only. you need to have a good defense plan at first.

 

[MadRat]

AI's tend to focus on the human that made last "contact" with them, be it on sensors or fighting. If there were two of you then you'd both want to take turns drawing its attention.

The ToTal AnnIhIlatIoN AI is probably better at playing fair although it does have a +25% boost in resources at the HARD setting, too. Perhaps SC does something similar. Like someone already said, the AI always knows where you are, regardless if it plays fair or not.

 

[ElFenix]

AI maphacks!

 

[Spikesoldier]

where is kelvrick and his 238743-0-0 record? :Q

 

[MGMorden]

With StarCraft it's all about learning how to beat the computer. I've got a friend who has sucessfully beaten 7 computer opponents by himself on several occasions.

 

[CubicZirconia]

lol, i was gonna say play TA instead. guess im not the only person in the world that doesnt like starcraft....

You're definately not the only one. Sorry if this is threadcrapping, im outta here.

 

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: Nefrodite
it doesn't cheat, its just efficient. at my prime i could take down 7 cpus bymyself on bgh. borderline for a while but it gets easy once u get big guns out. they rush u like mad

be happy the computer isn't smart like a human. with human strats like bunking u in and using drops and sh*t + cpu efficiency everyone would die to a comp as it is, all it knows how to do is rush

You're full of crap!

7 computer players....

amish

 

[SuperCyrix]

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Originally posted by: Nefrodite
it doesn't cheat, its just efficient. at my prime i could take down 7 cpus bymyself on bgh. borderline for a while but it gets easy once u get big guns out. they rush u like mad

be happy the computer isn't smart like a human. with human strats like bunking u in and using drops and sh*t + cpu efficiency everyone would die to a comp as it is, all it knows how to do is rush
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You're full of crap!

7 computer players....

amish

No it's true, there are a few ways.

-In the older patch before the computer AI got insanely smart, you can play Terrain and Supply Depot, Bunker, and seige tank a choke point until the 7 computers run out of minerals. Now you can't do it anymore because the computer will rush you nonstop. The templer drop ship are a pain in the ass and you'll eventually run out of mineral before they do. The Comptuer won't run out of minerals until a very very very long time! The reason being their mineral supply replenishes! I realized that when I watched the replay. So no, in a regular map now it's almost impossible to beat the comp 1v7, though it use to be possible.

-BGH used to be the hardest to beat the computer 1 v 7 but now it's the only possible one.
You can easily polish off 7 zerg opponents if your terrain. Just defend and get 12 Battle Cruisers real fast. If you get them before the comp gets alot of air, you can easily destroy like 2-3 zerg nations with 12 BC.

-In the older patch, one of my friend beat the computer(random race) 1 v 7 in BGH! He dropshipped endless seige tanks non stop into the choke point and pour on the marines in Bunkers. At the same time he made BCs and attacked with those. I couldn't fvcking believed he won the game!

-I think it's possible to beat BGH 1v7 now if your protoss. I came close once and here's what I did. This is so cheap. First you better hope there is no more than one Terrain on the map or else the seige tanks will be impossible to deal with. Defend with massive cannons, carriers backed by two arbitors, reavers, and Templers. Blanked your city with cannons, but that won't be enough. Place Dark ARchons at the side of your city to Mind control pesky Guardians, Carriers, and any annoyoing air units. This will max out your Protoss units and you wno't be able to do much to attack. I then managed to mind control and steal one SCV from the only terrain nation. I built a miniture terrain nation in my city. Build alot of command centers for food and float them to the top. Get 150 marines and dropship them with a few medics and observer into the neighboring city! I came close to doing that when my city got broken into =(

 

[SuperCyrix]

Oh yeah, there's one more cheap method to beat the comp 1v7.

If you're terrain, get a good defense going and build engineering buildings or Barracks like crazy and fly them to the back of your city. If you can defend long enough and fly enough buildings to the back, the map will eventually hit the limit on maximum supported units. Keep making more buildings and the 7 comps will be unitless. BTW, you got to be nuts to waste the time to try this.

 

[MGMorden]

As said earlier, I've got a friend who's taken out 7 quite a few times (I've beaten 5 myself, but don't have the patient for 7). If you're playing BGH, it's not all that difficult if you're playing terran. build bunkers w/ marines (all damage and range upgrades) and then have supply depots in front of them so as to block off the path to the bunkers. Keep several scv's handy to repair depots and bunkers as they are attacked. When non ranged units come in you will open fire on them before they're in range so they'll usually turn back. Ranged units will have the depots in range first so you can usually get rid of them. You also want to get 6-8 seige tanks (in seige mode) right behind the bunkers so that any ground units take a pounding coming into your base. They're then left with an air attack (but you're on islands, so just build an insane number of turrets around the outside of your base and air units won't be able to get in). Once you get this defense setup it will usually hold quite a while w/ minor maintainence. Then just build Battleships like crazy. Once you max out your supply limit w/ battleships, send the fleet at one of the computer opponents. 15 or 16 battleships will do a hurting on any outpost, and even if you don't take them out, you're still going to hurt them very badly. If you loose all of them, just have more building. Keep pounding at each opponent in this same manner and you'll take them out one at a time.

 

[SOSTrooper]

Me and my friends love rushing ppl....you'd be glad to build a defense

Actually like the above posts said, WC3 AI is far more superior since SC doesnt deal too much w/ magic spells. Most SC units use melee or projectiles to attack, whereas in WC3 1/2 of what CPUs do are magic spells....very efficient magic spells. Back to topic, just build lots of peons to get minerals, about 15-20 of them, and 3 peon per gas. Then you'll start rolling in cash, fast. Build 2 barracks, 2 factories, like 5 starports and you got yourself an army