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lambchops511

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COMPONENTS BOUGHT but still need case


CPU: $206.00 BOUGHT
Intel Core I5 760 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.8GHZ 8MB Cache Retail Box
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12200AC1456


Motherboard: $95 BOUGHT
Intel BOXDH55TC LGA 1156 Intel H55 HDMI Micro ATX
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16813121394


Video Card: $237 BOUGHT
GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-1GI GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16814125333


RAM: $101 BOUGHT
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16820231277


Power Supply: $50 BOUGHT
Antec NEO ECO 520C 520W
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16817371030


Case: $101 still need case
LIAN LI PC-V351B Black Aluminum MicroATX
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16811112222


I need a 2.5" HDD Mounting Bracket ... suggestions?



Total paid so far is $790 CAD
 
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Mini ITX with room for a GTX460?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that exists...
 
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You can do better than that PSU, yea. OCZs usually aren't bad units, but you'd probably be better served by a midrange Seasonic or Corsair depending on you spending range. If you're looking for low cost and modular without losing [too much] quality though, OCZ usually does a pretty good job.

I don't know all that much about mITX though; but make sure your case can fit a full size PSU. Unfortunately once you start using a full size PSU your mITX cases start looking more like mATX; just something to consider.

Were it me, I think I'd just make the move to mATX. Do you just like the idea of a minimalist case or is this something that's going to be moving around often?

@games101, it exists but with the necessary room and power requirements, it doesn't look very much like mITX. From what I've seen at least.
 
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darkewaffle said:
You can do better than that PSU, yea. OCZs usually aren't bad units, but you'd probably be better served by a midrange Seasonic or Corsair depending on you spending range. If you're looking for low cost and modular without losing [too much] quality though, OCZ usually does a pretty good job.

I don't know all that much about mITX though; but make sure your case can fit a full size PSU. Unfortunately once you start using a full size PSU your mITX cases start looking more like mATX; just something to consider.

Silverstone just came out with the SG07 mITX case which has gotten a lot of attention (It's a Silverstone afterall) but it's also very expensive; looks slick though.

Were it me, I think I'd look for a move to mATX. Do you just like the idea of a minimalist case or is this something that's going to be moving around often?

@games101, it exists but with the necessary room and power requirements, it doesn't look very much like mITX. From what I've seen at least.
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i just like the size of the mini-ITX.. i have no qualms to moving to uATX.. any cheap case suggestions then?
 
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Shipping is kind of ugly, but as far as cheap and micro goes, there seem to be some pretty favorably reviewed units available.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811121003

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811154094

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119193

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811121071

All seem like good starting points. Really when it comes to budget cases, you should be ok with most choices as long as you aren't moving it a lot or upgrading it that often. Check some of the customer reviews for any major issues, and pick something you like the looks of.

That 4th one I linked is only $30 shipped with the listed coupon and is pretty small for the form factor. Might be of interest.

Edit: And it goes without saying, make sure your motherboard will fit in whichever you pick; you may need to change that too.
 
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do you think i should go for the 1 GiB version of GTX 460 or the 768? only going to be playing SC2... or go down to the 5770
 
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You can save 10$ and move up in speed with these ripjaws.

I'm not sold on the mobo for that price. Do you NEED to have a mATX build?

Definitely the 1GB version.
 
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Why did you feel the need to make a new thread? The old thread has lots of good insights and now you're just going to create confusion.

Anyway re: the case, cheap + specialty isn't going to happen. You might as well just get a uATX board.

Get the 1GB GTX 460 since you are running at 1920x1200.
 
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plz someone comment again.. total is 966.. a bit over my number in mind, but everything i really want is all in this build..

the only thing i can think of is dropping the case, go for uATX..

or dropping the GTX 460 and go with a 5770 to save money + power and go for the Sugo SG05 while keeping mini-ITX
 
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Like you said, your choices are down to
1) drop mini-itx for mATX
2) drop 460 for 5770

There's no way to have price, performance, and size all together.

Why do you want to go with mini-itx? Do you plan on moving the system around a lot? Are you limited desk space?

The Q08 is fairly big as far as a mini-itx case goes, almost as big as a mATX case. The Cooler Master Elite 341 is not that much bigger. The Elite 341 actually has a slightly smaller footprint due to its narrower width. If you like narrow, the Elite 360 is even narrower and it could fit a full size ATX mb. In comparison, the sg05 is about half the volume of the Q08.

(L x W x H)
Q08: 13.58" x 8.94" x 10.71"
341: 15.75" x 7.28" x 14.37"
360: 17.30" x 5.80" x 14.20"
sg05: 10.87" x 8.74" x 6.93"

Anyways, it's your call.

You don't need the sata power thingie. SATA power plugs are the same for both 3.5" and 2.5" drives. You can connect your PSU directly to the 2.5" HDD. You don't need the arctic silver either since you are using the stock heatsink and not planning on overclocking (you can't with that intel board anyways).
 
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Like you said, your choices are down to
1) drop mini-itx for mATX
2) drop 460 for 5770

There's no way to have price, performance, and size all together.

Why do you want to go with mini-itx? Do you plan on moving the system around a lot? Are you limited desk space?

The Q08 is fairly big as far as a mini-itx case goes, almost as big as a mATX case. The Cooler Master Elite 341 is not that much bigger. The Elite 341 actually has a slightly smaller footprint due to its narrower width. If you like narrow, the Elite 360 is even narrower and it could fit a full size ATX mb. In comparison, the sg05 is about half the volume of the Q08.

(L x W x H)
Q08: 13.58" x 8.94" x 10.71"
341: 15.75" x 7.28" x 14.37"
360: 17.30" x 5.80" x 14.20"
sg05: 10.87" x 8.74" x 6.93"

Anyways, it's your call.

You don't need the sata power thingie. SATA power plugs are the same for both 3.5" and 2.5" drives. You can connect your PSU directly to the 2.5" HDD. You don't need the arctic silver either since you are using the stock heatsink and not planning on overclocking (you can't with that intel board anyways).
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thx for advice about SATA cable--


will the arctic silver 5 help cool my CPU? its only $5... if it helps it cool down a bit i dont mind spending that...


thx for case links-- taking a look...
 
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aznium said:
will the arctic silver 5 help cool my CPU? its only $5... if it helps it cool down a bit i dont mind spending that...
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If you think 1-2C cooler makes a difference... Not worth the trouble of scrapping off the included TIM on the stock heatsink IMO.

And about the ram, I'm not sure if single channel makes a huge difference. I don't believe it improved anything much back in the Athlon XP days, but I'm not entirely certain about now.
 
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Cheaper, and small, hhmmm? Have you considered AMD? Intel has the performance crown, right now, but you sure do pay for that.

AII X3 3.1: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16819103872
AII X4 2.9: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16819103882
PII X4 3.0:http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16819103809

A mobo I'm fond of, with 4 slots:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16813130254

Item: cost, difference from OP (mobo+CPU combined difference)
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MSI mobo: $77, -$43
Athlon II X3 3.1: $95, -$111 (-$154)
Athlon II X4 2.9: $108, -$98 (-$143)
Phenom II X4: $165, -$41 (-$85)

The Athlon II X4 looks good, assuming you have things to do that will use more cores than SC2 (I'll assume you spec'ed a quad for non-gaming reasons). For loads that love cache, though, the Phenom could be worth the extra money. Put some of that savings into slightly better case/PSU, and you should still be able to net $80-120 savings from the OP list.

IMO, if you are still trying to save money, get a cheap Coolermaster case, like the ones linked (YGWYPF, but they aren't the flimsy kind of cheap), instead of a nice case; and get a 400W+ Antec or Corsair PSU (those CA Antec prices are quite good). If it doesn't come with an exhaust fan (some do, some don't), tack one on to your order (like one of these).
 
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is my current PSU that bad? I am taking a look at the Corsair modular ones, and the cheapest one is 2x the price of the cheapest OCZ PSU:

Corsair Professional HX650W 650W ATX 12V 52A 24PIN ATX Modular Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan
http://www.directcanada.com/products...acture=CORSAIR

after this desktop, i dont think i will ever build another one again... so future-proofing is a waste of money... the corsairs seems overpowered for what i am trying to build? no? i am not looking for SLI/crossfire.. just powering 1 GTX 460..

this Antec: Antec BP550: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371016 is $10 cheaper, but i dont think its better than my OCZ one, it has a lower power rating and its 12 V is split onto 3 rails versus 2 on the OCZ
 
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The OCZ is not bad, just not that good at that price. PSU is very important in terms of overall system stability, so it's not a good place to skimp on. ThisSeasonic M12II 520 has modular cabling and is not much more expensive. The Seasonic is only rated 520watt, but it can actually deliver more power on the 12v rail (480w vs 450w).
 
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That Seasonic costs $26 more than the OCZ due to shipping (assuming i dont get the $20 rebate for the OCZ)... is it really 43 percent better than the OCZ?
 
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aznium said:
That Seasonic costs $26 more than the OCZ due to shipping (assuming i dont get the $20 rebate for the OCZ)... is it really 43 percent better than the OCZ?
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If you go by the stated specs, no.

However, one big thing that you don't seem to be grasping about PSU manufacturers is that they all lie on their spec sheets. Seasonic and Corsair just lie less than most. So yes, I would go with that Seasonic over the OCZ.
 
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If you go by the stated specs, no.

However, one big thing that you don't seem to be grasping about PSU manufacturers is that they all lie on their spec sheets. Seasonic and Corsair just lie less than most. So yes, I would go with that Seasonic over the OCZ.
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sure-- but if the OCZ can run my system fine, why get a more powerful one? its like getting a ferrari for a grandma..
 
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aznium said:
sure-- but if the OCZ can run my system fine, why get a more powerful one? its like getting a ferrari for a grandma..
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Powerful? Wrong analogy.

It's like getting your Grandma the car with the 5 star safety ratings over the cheap one without airbags.

The PSU is the single most important part of your build for stability. I don't know if you've ever had a PSU die and take your entire computer (including attached hard drives and the data within) with it, but it's not place to skimp. Not saying that the OCZ might not be fine in the event of a brownout, or still be performing fine in 5 years, or shut down correctly with it's OCP, but the Seasonic is a higher quality unit.
 
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