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Riceball

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I'll accept that, however you do realize that the lasers on a Star Wars ship, could not touch a Star Trek ship because of this very thing stated, although they may be extremely similar, however in the two different sci-fi realities they are anything but. Which leads me back to my statement earlier.


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The differences in disruptors, from what I have learned over the years from the two sci-fi realities is that in Star Wars its another name for an ordinary laser that is a lot more powerful than your standard issue. Meaning it is still a laser, just a more powerful one.

Now in Star Trek, I have learned that when they call something a disruptor its literally disrupts the molecular cohesion, lack of better word, the "togetherness" of an object/lifeform and actually tears it apart as it is destroying it in the process.

Star Wars has Ion Cannons, which is basically like an emp (electro magnetic pulse), although these cannons may be ale to penetrate the shields of a Star Wars ship with ease I doubt they could do the same with a Star Trek ship, because their shields operate on a specific frequency, unlike just the massive protective bubble a Star Wars ship creates. Until this frequency is matched, or the shirlds are lowered or pounded down to where they no longer are active, matter is not allowed to pass through the bubble.

Star Trek has ion cannon technology aswell specifically the Klingons, just think of it has a more focused, and more powerful phaser delivered in a quick burst that has a lot more destructive power.

I hope I answered your questions.

Originally posted by: SithSolo1
Guess everyone neglected to read the page I posted. Anyway blasters and turbolaser are not firing lasers. here

To read about SW "lasers"

Disruptors in SW are clones of ST tech. Their effects on organic flesh are the same, just as in the federation disruptors are banned by the republic. Though I know of no wide applications of disruptors on capital ships in SW. Got a link to klingon deployment of ion weapons on ships? As far as I know they exclusive use disruptor cannons.

I'm under the impression that there are two types of shield configurations in ST. Bubbles shields and silhouette shields. I believe during the initial encounter with the dominion, the jem hadar were able to penetrate the shielding of federation galaxy class ship with ease. The breen damping weapon was also able quite effective for the most part in ignoring shielding. Yes, the federation was later able to adapt their shielding but it proves that you don't nescessarily required to pound the shield till they drop or need to know the specific operating frequency of shields to bypass them.



 

torpid

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Star trek ATTEMPTS to be intellectual, but only succeeds every once in a great while. I would rather watch a GOOD space opera any day of the week over a mediocre or bad science fiction story. Not a single star trek movie is even in the same league as episode 4 of star wars. Of course, star trek doesn't even attempt to be intellectual most of the time either. Most of the time's it's just plain old space opera.

The star trek tv series occasionally was great, and did a good job of fleshing out the universe's various races and characters, even if a particular show about a character was poor. This is why it can even be mentioned in the same sentence as star wars - because its universe is so well developed and the overall stories are good, even if individual plots and wars are not at all interesting.

As for star trek being utopian... I find that to be one of the more unappealing aspects, actually. Mostly because it is unrealistic in premise and even if not in premise, in execution.
 

JoeKing

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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: SirPappy
Originally posted by: Deeko
Holy Crap, from glancing over this thread, sirpappy is the biggest loser alive.


I'm guessing your a trek fan :p

Dont know why you would call a total stranger a loser, but eh,to each there own.


Star Wars stills Owns, the polls dont lie. ;)

No, I don't really care about either.

I'm referring to the fact that you posted about 800 times gloating over the fact that star wars was winning in the poll. Why do you care so much? We can clearly read the poll for ourselves.

isn't it obvious? He just wants to keep bumping his thread so it gets more posts. Too bad he doesn't realize this has been done on this forum a million and a half times already.
 

SirPappy

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Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: SirPappy
Originally posted by: Deeko
Holy Crap, from glancing over this thread, sirpappy is the biggest loser alive.


I'm guessing your a trek fan :p

Dont know why you would call a total stranger a loser, but eh,to each there own.


Star Wars stills Owns, the polls dont lie. ;)

No, I don't really care about either.

I'm referring to the fact that you posted about 800 times gloating over the fact that star wars was winning in the poll. Why do you care so much? We can clearly read the poll for ourselves.

isn't it obvious? He just wants to keep bumping his thread so it gets more posts. Too bad he doesn't realize this has been done on this forum a million and a half times already.

are you kidding me? I've been here for years,and if that was the case i would have as much posts as yourself dont you think.

as a matter of fact, look at my profile, it'll tell you my avg post per day is 0.

doh!!

sorry, wrong answer. :)
 

MaxDepth

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KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNN!
 

GamingGuy246

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Originally posted by: Riceball
I'll accept that, however you do realize that the lasers on a Star Wars ship, could not touch a Star Trek ship because of this very thing stated, although they may be extremely similar, however in the two different sci-fi realities they are anything but. Which leads me back to my statement earlier.


------------------------------

The differences in disruptors, from what I have learned over the years from the two sci-fi realities is that in Star Wars its another name for an ordinary laser that is a lot more powerful than your standard issue. Meaning it is still a laser, just a more powerful one.

Now in Star Trek, I have learned that when they call something a disruptor its literally disrupts the molecular cohesion, lack of better word, the "togetherness" of an object/lifeform and actually tears it apart as it is destroying it in the process.

Star Wars has Ion Cannons, which is basically like an emp (electro magnetic pulse), although these cannons may be ale to penetrate the shields of a Star Wars ship with ease I doubt they could do the same with a Star Trek ship, because their shields operate on a specific frequency, unlike just the massive protective bubble a Star Wars ship creates. Until this frequency is matched, or the shirlds are lowered or pounded down to where they no longer are active, matter is not allowed to pass through the bubble.

Star Trek has ion cannon technology aswell specifically the Klingons, just think of it has a more focused, and more powerful phaser delivered in a quick burst that has a lot more destructive power.

I hope I answered your questions.

Originally posted by: SithSolo1
Guess everyone neglected to read the page I posted. Anyway blasters and turbolaser are not firing lasers. here

To read about SW "lasers"

Disruptors in SW are clones of ST tech. Their effects on organic flesh are the same, just as in the federation disruptors are banned by the republic. Though I know of no wide applications of disruptors on capital ships in SW. Got a link to klingon deployment of ion weapons on ships? As far as I know they exclusive use disruptor cannons.

I'm under the impression that there are two types of shield configurations in ST. Bubbles shields and silhouette shields. I believe during the initial encounter with the dominion, the jem hadar were able to penetrate the shielding of federation galaxy class ship with ease. The breen damping weapon was also able quite effective for the most part in ignoring shielding. Yes, the federation was later able to adapt their shielding but it proves that you don't nescessarily required to pound the shield till they drop or need to know the specific operating frequency of shields to bypass them.

Check out the Negh'var class, the largest of the capital ships in the Klingon Empire, they are equipped with Ion Cannons,I'm pretty sure they debuted in DS9, and the ion cannon is also added into the Armada games and STC 3, but not the kind you see in SW Episode 5 at the Battle of Hoth.

Those Breen torpedos rapidly modulated a shield frequency to pass through enemy shielding.
 

GamingGuy246

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Originally posted by: torpid
Star trek ATTEMPTS to be intellectual, but only succeeds every once in a great while. I would rather watch a GOOD space opera any day of the week over a mediocre or bad science fiction story. Not a single star trek movie is even in the same league as episode 4 of star wars. Of course, star trek doesn't even attempt to be intellectual most of the time either. Most of the time's it's just plain old space opera.

The star trek tv series occasionally was great, and did a good job of fleshing out the universe's various races and characters, even if a particular show about a character was poor. This is why it can even be mentioned in the same sentence as star wars - because its universe is so well developed and the overall stories are good, even if individual plots and wars are not at all interesting.

As for star trek being utopian... I find that to be one of the more unappealing aspects, actually. Mostly because it is unrealistic in premise and even if not in premise, in execution.

How so? It is your greed and desire for material needs, the society we live in today that may make it flawed in many peoples eyes, but that does not mean that it cannot be done. Humanity in ST has outgrown their infancy, their pettyness, if that is so, and the show has most certainly proved that on Earth, I'm unable to see the flaw here.

 

Tom

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Star Trek is more science fiction, Star Wars is more fantasy.

I prefer science fiction, but only slightly.
 

Robor

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Original Star Wars = :thumbsup: and way ahead of its time.

New Star Wars = :thumbsdown: and couldn't stand on it's own without the original.

In the end my vote is Trek > Wars
 

leedog2007

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Star trek. It applies current issues (depending on series) to the show. I feel its trying to accomplish the same thing but in a different way
 

Riceball

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Check out the Negh'var class, the largest of the capital ships in the Klingon Empire, they are equipped with Ion Cannons,I'm pretty sure they debuted in DS9, and the ion cannon is also added into the Armada games and STC 3, but not the kind you see in SW Episode 5 at the Battle of Hoth.

Those Breen torpedos rapidly modulated a shield frequency to pass through enemy shielding.

2 x Mark 18 pulse disrupter cannon
18 x Mark 12 disrupter cannon4, total output 205,000 TeraWatts
8 x Triple Fire photon torpedo tube + 2,200 torpedoes

http://www.ditl.org/hedship.php?klineghvar

I see no mention of ion anything.

Can you backup the statement that the breen weapon is a rapidly modulating torp? Looks more like an energy pulse according to these pics. I see no clear physical damage from a torp striking the hull of the defiant class ship.

http://www.ditl.org/picweapon.php?25.1
 

GamingGuy246

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Originally posted by: Riceball
Check out the Negh'var class, the largest of the capital ships in the Klingon Empire, they are equipped with Ion Cannons,I'm pretty sure they debuted in DS9, and the ion cannon is also added into the Armada games and STC 3, but not the kind you see in SW Episode 5 at the Battle of Hoth.

Those Breen torpedos rapidly modulated a shield frequency to pass through enemy shielding.

2 x Mark 18 pulse disrupter cannon
18 x Mark 12 disrupter cannon4, total output 205,000 TeraWatts
8 x Triple Fire photon torpedo tube + 2,200 torpedoes

http://www.ditl.org/hedship.php?klineghvar

I see no mention of ion anything.

Can you backup the statement that the breen weapon is a rapidly modulating torp? Looks more like an energy pulse according to these pics. I see no clear physical damage from a torp striking the hull of the defiant class ship.

http://www.ditl.org/picweapon.php?25.1

The torpedo/energy pulse which is which doesn't concern me, however I do believe they mentioned in the series when they were trying to overcome and adapt to the weapon, I caught some of that very episode today when I came home on my lunch break, but did not get to watch it again to the very end.

However, the ion cannon on the Negh'var class does exist, it does not disable, it just fires a short ranged devasting beam of energy. Like I also mentioned they are also on the Negh'Var class ships in many of the games aswell, Armada I, and II, along with ST SFC3. There is also a mod for ST BC that enables the Negh'var and the ion cannon with the ship.

http://www.strategyplanet.com/sfc/sfc3/info_klin_ships.shtml#kion
 

Riceball

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The torpedo/energy pulse which is which doesn't concern me, however I do believe they mentioned in the series when they were trying to overcome and adapt to the weapon, I caught some of that very episode today when I came home on my lunch break, but did not get to watch it again to the very end.

However, the ion cannon on the Negh'var class does exist, it does not disable, it just fires a short ranged devasting beam of energy. Like I also mentioned they are also on the Negh'Var class ships in many of the games aswell, Armada I, and II, along with ST SFC3. There is also a mod for ST BC that enables the Negh'var and the ion cannon with the ship.

http://www.strategyplanet.com/sfc/sfc3/info_klin_ships.shtml#kion

The alliance did eventually adapted their systems to the damping device. But that's beside the point, I see this as clear evidence that SW ion technology has a legitimate chance of ignoring ST shielding. Considering the sheer size of star destroyer in comparison to a sovereign class ship it should be able to saturate an ST ship resulting in it immediate destruction.

As for klingon ion cannon, I'm going to need something a little more concrete then evidence from a game. Let's just say lots of things get lost in translation for the sake of gameplay. If it's as you say ion canons are nothing more then rapid fire phase pulses then the comparision is either inapplicable(emp vs phase pulse) or SW ion weaponary is the equivalent of ST phaser tech, hence there is no real technological gap in beam weapons between the two universes.

 

GamingGuy246

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Originally posted by: Riceball
The torpedo/energy pulse which is which doesn't concern me, however I do believe they mentioned in the series when they were trying to overcome and adapt to the weapon, I caught some of that very episode today when I came home on my lunch break, but did not get to watch it again to the very end.

However, the ion cannon on the Negh'var class does exist, it does not disable, it just fires a short ranged devasting beam of energy. Like I also mentioned they are also on the Negh'Var class ships in many of the games aswell, Armada I, and II, along with ST SFC3. There is also a mod for ST BC that enables the Negh'var and the ion cannon with the ship.

http://www.strategyplanet.com/sfc/sfc3/info_klin_ships.shtml#kion

The alliance did eventually adapted their systems to the damping device. But that's beside the point, I see this as clear evidence that SW ion technology has a legitimate chance of ignoring ST shielding. Considering the sheer size of star destroyer in comparison to a sovereign class ship it should be able to saturate an ST ship resulting in it immediate destruction.

As for klingon ion cannon, I'm going to need something a little more concrete then evidence from a game. Let's just say lots of things get lost in translation for the sake of gameplay. If it's as you say ion canons are nothing more then rapid fire phase pulses then the comparision is either inapplicable(emp vs phase pulse) or SW ion weaponary is the equivalent of ST phaser tech, hence there is no real technological gap in beam weapons between the two universes.

The ion cannon aboard a Klingon vessel is no way meant to disable or what not, its just a big phaser thats short ranged and has a lot more killing power all in one blast. Even if the SW weaponry would be able to penetrate the shielding on an ST vessel, ST would still win, I read on some website where they had two fanboys arguing about it on a webpage, not a forum, but an actual dialogue, and basically listed the power dispensed when attacking and it was conceded by both fanboys as they used evidence from the books to determine that a Galaxy class Federation vessel firing one of its phasers is equivalent to a SW star destroyer firing all of its 1800+ turbolasers and everything else at once.

So obviously even if SW had a snowballs chance in hell of destroying an ST vessel, the sheer killing power of a Federation vessel is far superior than any ship the Empire or Rebel Alliance possess.
 

Riceball

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The ion cannon aboard a Klingon vessel is no way meant to disable or what not, its just a big phaser thats short ranged and has a lot more killing power all in one blast. Even if the SW weaponry would be able to penetrate the shielding on an ST vessel, ST would still win, I read on some website where they had two fanboys arguing about it on a webpage, not a forum, but an actual dialogue, and basically listed the power dispensed when attacking and it was conceded by both fanboys as they used evidence from the books to determine that a Galaxy class Federation vessel firing one of its phasers is equivalent to a SW star destroyer firing all of its 1800+ turbolasers and everything else at once.

So obviously even if SW had a snowballs chance in hell of destroying an ST vessel, the sheer killing power of a Federation vessel is far superior than any ship the Empire or Rebel Alliance possess.

Sorry if I don't your word on it but link?