Star Wars Conceptual Failure?

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BarkingGhostar

BarkingGhostar

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Ok, so the wife kept channel surfing through commercials yesterday and that included stops on Spike TV and watching the original three SW movies. Playing the devil's advocate, I considered the story of the Empire.

Was life under the empire really all that bad for the individual? We see a lot of political conditions, military, etc., and we see the rebel scum doing their thing as a counter-military effort, but I am not sure the wide-spread negative aspects being insinuated were really illustrated to any degree, let alone one justifying a rebellion.

Sure, the Emperor was a bad dude, and he had his evil sidekick, and the Empire kept order in the universe, but with the exception of exceptions, like the planet Tatooine, it seems that life for the individual was pretty nice.

Heck, even life on Tatooine a la Luke's life was not bad. How many want a land speeder? Robots? Sure, girls were few and far, but as a hard life it really wasn't all that hard.

I expected to see mass populations in labor camps to illustrate the bad aspect of the Empire, but what I got was something different. It wasn't like the Roman Colosseum (circus).

Maybe I'm too evil to see the reported bad life aspects of the original films.
 
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nageov3t

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the trains ran on time under Mussolini, but I still wouldn't want to live in Italy under his regime.

you know how the imperial forces came to Tatooine and laid waste to Luke's family's farm? assume that stuff like that was going on on a regular basis with no recourse.
 
waggy

waggy

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i agree. even in the stories life was worse AFTER the rebels won.
 
GasX

GasX

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Life in Germany in 1939 was pretty awesome if you were blond and blue eyed...
 
Firsttime

Firsttime

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Maybe when you got enlisted to go work in the spice mines things would suck.

I don't think many will argue for the logical coherency of the series under close inspection, but it was all about freedom. Was India better off under British rule or as an independent country? I'm sure many of the planets in the Star War's universe had to make similar choices, with similar consequences.
 
adairusmc

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kia75

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Shouldn't it be clone troopers in the memorial rather then Storm troopers?

Anakin hung out, lead, and was friends with a bunch of troopers during the clone wars, Vader seemed to hate, terrorize and abuse the storm troopers under his command.
 
shortylickens

shortylickens

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Just remember, the way we felt about Germany in WWI, WWII?
Thats how many asians feel about us in the 2nd half of the century.

Sometimes your the hero, sometimes your the villian. But rarely do people wanna see themselves as the villian. And if you were on the villianous side, living within its walls, you may not even feel it.
Doesnt change what you are, or what the other guy is fighting for.

But you are right in your persepective on the Imperial side of things. As was discussed in Clerks, a lot of people died at the Death Star, and they might have been called innocent.

There was a counter-argument too. Does anyone remember?
:sneaky:
 
Jeff7

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The lead-in title sequence said they were evil, and they had the "bad-guy" music.

That's all I need.
 
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kinev

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shortylickens said:
Just remember, the way we felt about Germany in WWI, WWII?
Thats how many asians feel about us in the 2nd half of the century.

Sometimes your the hero, sometimes your the villian. But rarely do people wanna see themselves as the villian. And if you were on the villianous side, living within its walls, you may not even feel it.
Doesnt change what you are, or what the other guy is fighting for.

But you are right in your persepective on the Imperial side of things. As was discussed in Clerks, a lot of people died at the Death Star, and they might have been called innocent.

There was a counter-argument too. Does anyone remember?
:sneaky:
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They knew the risks associated with working on the Death Star. Independent contractors take the dangers associated with a job into consideration.
 
phoenix79

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The Wookiees were enslaved by the Rodians while the Empire turned a blind eye because it brought in money.
 
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GlacierFreeze

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kinev said:
They knew the risks associated with working on the Death Star. Independent contractors take the dangers associated with a job into consideration.
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Not only that, but what are the Rebels supposed to do? Not blow it up because some could be considered "innocent?" Then the Rebels would just be allowing it to be used to blow up planets! Playing the innocent card is just digging in this situation.
 
Nik

Nik

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Look at it this way: the 70's saw the first movie and it started in Chapter 4. The very first line of text we see in the very first film tells us "we don't know the whole story."

If you've read any books, the Empire were absolutely brutal not only to their opposition, but internally if things didn't go according to plan or politics.

In the books, the sith were actually neutral and the jedi were badguys thousands and thousands of years before.

Things get REALLY interesting once you start reading the Thron and Vong storylines.
 
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BarkingGhostar said:
Ok, so the wife kept channel surfing through commercials yesterday and that included stops on Spike TV and watching the original three SW movies. Playing the devil's advocate, I considered the story of the Empire.

Was life under the empire really all that bad for the individual? We see a lot of political conditions, military, etc., and we see the rebel scum doing their thing as a counter-military effort, but I am not sure the wide-spread negative aspects being insinuated were really illustrated to any degree, let alone one justifying a rebellion.

Sure, the Emperor was a bad dude, and he had his evil sidekick, and the Empire kept order in the universe, but with the exception of exceptions, like the planet Tatooine, it seems that life for the individual was pretty nice.

Heck, even life on Tatooine a la Luke's life was not bad. How many want a land speeder? Robots? Sure, girls were few and far, but as a hard life it really wasn't all that hard.

I expected to see mass populations in labor camps to illustrate the bad aspect of the Empire, but what I got was something different. It wasn't like the Roman Colosseum (circus).

Maybe I'm too evil to see the reported bad life aspects of the original films.
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Yeah, I guess so when you consider the mass murder of the population of an entire planet as not "all that bad".
 
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Elias824

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Thats no moon, its your mother! sorry I couldnt resist.
Yeah they kind of went around blowing up planets, probably not the best regime to live under. They murder their generals regularly in the movies, also they make those guy work next to the big deathstar cannon with no railing in the first movie, id hardly consider that a safe working environment.
 
calvinbiss

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Or what if you have to service the Tractor Beam on the Death Star - tiny circular walkway and nothing to tie onto or railing!
 
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