Star Trek Voyager: Waking Moments

[mikeymikec]

It was an interesting premise for a story, but christ this episode had some serious plot holes... unless anyone wants to have a stab at explaining it to me in a way that stands up to scrutiny.

 

[Tsavo]

People are still complaining about plot holes in Star Trek?

 

[KLin]

#firstworldproblems

 

[SKORPI0]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waking_Moments
http://www.startrek.com/database_article/waking-moments

 

[Insomniator]

Why are you watching voyager?

 

[02ranger]

Why are you watching voyager?

Voyager had some decent moments. That being said, any episode that focused on Chakotay was terrible, especially if he did is dream crap......

 

[CA19100]

Voyager had some decent moments.

Overall I didn't care for the series, but as you said, it did have its moments.

The Year of Hell two-parter was fantastic, for example.

 

[Eug]

This was the best episode:

 

[mmntech]

Voyager had some decent moments. That being said, any episode that focused on Chakotay was terrible, especially if he did is dream crap......

Modern Hollywood can't write for Native actors without patronizing their culture. I think that's what was so annoying about Chakotay.

The laugh is that Robert Beltran is Mexican. Probably Mestizo. It's like putting an Italian in the roll of a Swedish guy.

 

[Captante]

Best part of Voyager = 7 of 9

 

[mmntech]

Best part of Voyager = 7 of 9

Kes was a little sexpot in SLC Punk. I've always thought Jerri Ryan had a weird face.

 

[shortylickens]

That was by far the worst-written series of all.
I wont even bother trying to explain plot holes or inconsistencies. Just get a list of the handful of good episodes and watch those. Ignore the other 9/10ths.

 

[TheVrolok]

That was by far the worst-written series of all.
I wont even bother trying to explain plot holes or inconsistencies. Just get a list of the handful of good episodes and watch those. Ignore the other 9/10ths.

Voyager was odd.. A handful of episodes I absolutely love, can watch over and over again, but then like you said, most of it is ... meh.

 

[Raduque]

If Waking Moments upsets you, don't ever watch Threshold.

 

[MongGrel]

...

 

[mikeymikec]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waking_Moments
http://www.startrek.com/database_article/waking-moments

It doesn't explain why the aliens do what they do (the characters' explanation doesn't make sense), and furthermore (ignoring that point), there ought to be a tonne of ships derelict in that part of space.

Why are you watching voyager?

I've watched a few when it was aired for the first time here. I can't say I was much impressed, but I fancied a bit of ST (that I hadn't seen before), so I started with watching the most highly recommended episodes. This brought me to the 'Scorpion' two-parter which introduces Seven, at which point I thought there could be some interesting character development there and started at series 4. Most of the episodes there have been OK. This was the first or second stinker I've seen in this series.

If Waking Moments upsets you, don't ever watch Threshold.

Heh, I just read the plot summary.

 

[Sonikku]

The only thing good about Voyager was Year of Hell. That should have been the whole series right there. The ship spotless in season 1, and ripped to hell by season 7. That ship should have been held together with little more than glue, Popsicle sticks and one Captains iron will by the final arc.

 

[mikeymikec]

The only thing good about Voyager was Year of Hell. That should have been the whole series right there. The ship spotless in season 1, and ripped to hell by season 7. That ship should have been held together with little more than glue, Popsicle sticks and one Captains iron will by the final arc.

Admittedly 'Year of Hell' has been on both 'recommended' lists I found, but timey-wimey plus the big fat reset button aren't concepts that fill me with enthusiasm. Plus, the first five minutes of YoH has a ship erasing the inhabitants of a planet then wanting to move on to the rest of a species in the hope that it might revert the timeline... the idea is just half-baked, IMO, for obvious reasons, such as erasing an entire species from existence might inadvertently erase your species from existence for any number of pure-chance reasons (let alone future implications, which could again constitute the same sorts of risks).

 

[amdhunter]

This was the best episode:

The chicken is a lie.

 

[utahraptor]

My favorite trivia about that "Waking Moments" episode: According to the unofficial reference book Delta Quadrant (p. 218), Tim Russ (for the filming of the scene wherein Tuvok seemingly finds himself naked on the bridge) had the makeup department mold a ridiculously large physical appendage that the actor wore on to the set, where – upon Russ removing his dressing gown to reveal that he was wearing the molded attribute instead of underwear – the entirety of the cast and crew broke out laughing.

 

[cronos]

Best part of Voyager = 7 of 9

Both of them, actually

 

[Sonikku]

Admittedly 'Year of Hell' has been on both 'recommended' lists I found, but timey-wimey plus the big fat reset button aren't concepts that fill me with enthusiasm. Plus, the first five minutes of YoH has a ship erasing the inhabitants of a planet then wanting to move on to the rest of a species in the hope that it might revert the timeline... the idea is just half-baked, IMO, for obvious reasons, such as erasing an entire species from existence might inadvertently erase your species from existence for any number of pure-chance reasons (let alone future implications, which could again constitute the same sorts of risks).

I know, but even with those flaws, voyager is so bad that it's still one of the best. Sad, isn't it? But what I meant in my earlier post isn't that the whole series should have been about time travel and and wiping out entire species, that part I could live with out. But rather, the gradual wear and breaking down of the ship and her crew as the seasons passed and things became more desperate.

I mean think about it. The Galaxy class was in every way a superior ship to an Intrepid class, yet the Enterprise was heading to the nearest star base practically every other week. Voyager hadn't been to one in seven YEARS. It should have looked like hell by the time it got back to Earth. Year of Hell offers a condensed, bite size version of what the whole series should have been, fit to two episodes and given a plot device to make it fit as such.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I know, but even with those flaws, voyager is so bad that it's still one of the best. Sad, isn't it? But what I meant in my earlier post isn't that the whole series should have been about time travel and and wiping out entire species, that part I could live with out. But rather, the gradual wear and breaking down of the ship and her crew as the seasons passed and things became more desperate.

I mean think about it. The Galaxy class was in every way a superior ship to an Intrepid class, yet the Enterprise was heading to the nearest star base practically every other week. Voyager hadn't been to one in seven YEARS. It should have looked like hell by the time it got back to Earth. Year of Hell offers a condensed, bite size version of what the whole series should have been, fit to two episodes and given a plot device to make it fit as such.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ResetButton

It is why I won't watch Voyager. Well that and the fact Janeway doesn't actually do everything she can to get her crew back home. Sisko does everything to win the war and it is is painful in comparison.

 

[SagaLore]

Modern Hollywood can't write for Native actors without patronizing their culture. I think that's what was so annoying about Chakotay.

The laugh is that Robert Beltran is Mexican. Probably Mestizo. It's like putting an Italian in the roll of a Swedish guy.

Mexicans are descendent from Native Americans.

 

[utahraptor]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ResetButton

It is why I won't watch Voyager. Well that and the fact Janeway doesn't actually do everything she can to get her crew back home. Sisko does everything to win the war and it is is painful in comparison.

I disagree. She sacrifices a future version of herself to the borg to save the crew. She did everything she could to balance the safety and well being with the crew against their mission of exploration, helping those in need and upholding the prime directive.