Star Trek dillemma...

[notfred]

Why can't they build an android like data if they can make the Holographic Doctor from Voyager? I mean, they're equally sentient, and the doctor even has emotions, unlike data. Data already showed that building an android body was not a challenge, when he built himself a daughter (whose program later BSOD'ed on him..), so what's the big challenge?

 

Data's positronic net is the size of a grape fruit, the good doctors takes up an entire deck on Voyager.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Roger
Data's positronic net is the size of a grape fruit, the good doctors takes up an entire deck on Voyager.

When the whole computer gets stolen, it's about the size of a person. I can't imagine more than a few % of it's processing power is going towards the doctor's program.

 

[Hoober]

Originally posted by: Roger
Data's positronic net is the size of a grape fruit, the good doctors takes up an entire deck on Voyager.

Wow, today wasn't a total waste. I never knew that.

 

[SoylentGreen]

Originally posted by: notfred
Why can't they build an android like data if they can make the Holographic Doctor from Voyager? I mean, they're equally sentient, and the doctor even has emotions, unlike data. Data already showed that building an android body was not a challenge, when he built himself a daughter (whose program later BSOD'ed on him..), so what's the big challenge?

The doctors flexibility was just plain stupid. I HATE voyager.

 

They screwed up, the FTL computer on the enterprise takes up two decks (FTL= Faster than light).

In fact Dr.noonian soong made several androids (Data, Lore and he managed to transfer his wife's conscience into a advanced android body).

 

[Darein]

Wasn't Soong the only person able to perfect the positronic brain and scientists in the federation couldn't get it. That was my thinking at least.

 

Apparently the positronic net in Data's head rely's on LED's to operate 😉

Here is Data's daughter Lal, she too is filled with LED's.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

The differences is the writers of TNG were better than the writers of Voyager.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Roger
They screwed up, the FTL computer on the enterprise takes up two decks (FTL= Faster than light).

In fact Dr.noonian soong made several androids (Data, Lore and he managed to transfer his wife's conscience into a advanced android body).

We're not talking about the Enterprise, we're talking about Voyager which uses a different type of computer than the Enterprise D.

 

[Jzero]

I don't know for sure, but I'm certain that it has to do with tachyons, or maybe a whole tachyon field.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
The differences is the writers of TNG were better than the writers of Voyager.

Actually, the difference is that as an actor, Robert Picardo injects far more sarcasm into the part than Brent Spiner. In any case, you'd think that Dr. Soong would have left some notes somewhere..

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: Roger
They screwed up, the FTL computer on the enterprise takes up two decks (FTL= Faster than light).

In fact Dr.noonian soong made several androids (Data, Lore and he managed to transfer his wife's conscience into a advanced android body).

Don't forget B4.

 

[cjchaps]

Looking for inaccuracies in ST is like looking for hay in a haystack.

 

B4 must be destroyed, no one or no other android can or should replace Data.

I'm still pissed off, why oh why did they have to kill Data.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: cjchaps
Looking for inaccuracies in ST is like looking for hay in a haystack.

Or perhaps like....looking for tachyons in a tachyon field?

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Roger
B4 must be destroyed, no one or no other android can or should replace Data.

I'm still pissed off, why oh why did they have to kill Data.

Cause Brent Spiner was too old to continue palying an android that doesn't age.

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: Roger
B4 must be destroyed, no one or no other android can or should replace Data.

I'm still pissed off, why oh why did they have to kill Data.

Oh, but data is still there. My theory is that with this pre-data droid, and the apparent inferiour neuro net that he has, Geordi and other engineers will be able to understand Dr. Soong's thought processes better, and upgrade B4 to a more sophisticated neuro net than what data had. And at one point, all of Data's memories will cross over and become conscious. Data will be reborn in much the same way that Spock was in Search for Spock and Journey Home. And with this new neuro net, he won't be limited as he was in the original Data.

And remember, Data goes on to be a professor for the academy well after this generation of the Enterprise.

 

[Wallydraigle]

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: Roger
B4 must be destroyed, no one or no other android can or should replace Data.

I'm still pissed off, why oh why did they have to kill Data.

Oh, but data is still there. My theory is that with this pre-data droid, and the apparent inferiour neuro net that he has, Geordi and other engineers will be able to understand Dr. Soong's thought processes better, and upgrade B4 to a more sophisticated neuro net than what data had. And at one point, all of Data's memories will cross over and become conscious. Data will be reborn in much the same way that Spock was in Search for Spock and Journey Home. And with this new neuro net, he won't be limited as he was in the original Data.

And remember, Data goes on to be a professor for the academy well after this generation of the Enterprise.

This is actually the same idea I had about it. It fits Star Trek's MO, wherein they take a theme and keep recycling and rehashing it over and over.

And by the way, Data does have an aging routine. In "All Good Things" he had gray hair.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
The differences is the writers of TNG were better than the writers of Voyager.

Actually, the difference is that as an actor, Robert Picardo injects far more sarcasm into the part than Brent Spiner. In any case, you'd think that Dr. Soong would have left some notes somewhere..

well that because the Dr. (picardo) was programmed with Lewis Zimmerman's personallity, which was a smug, sarcastic bastard.

Data's personality and emotions started asa blank slate and progressed throught the series. The TNG ep called the Best Toys, showed that Data had indeed been capable of emotions without the chip that Soong gave him(that he didn't use till Generations)

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
The differences is the writers of TNG were better than the writers of Voyager.

Actually, the difference is that as an actor, Robert Picardo injects far more sarcasm into the part than Brent Spiner. In any case, you'd think that Dr. Soong would have left some notes somewhere..

well that because the Dr. (picardo) was programmed with Lewis Zimmerman's personallity, which was a smug, sarcastic bastard.

Data's personality and emotions started asa blank slate and progressed throught the series. The TNG ep called the Best Toys, showed that Data had indeed been capable of emotions without the chip that Soong gave him(that he didn't use till Generations)

How did Best Toys show Data had emotions?

 

[XZeroII]

Because the doctor is a hologram. Holograms are not limited by the physicalness of the universe. It's like they exist in some other dimension.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
The differences is the writers of TNG were better than the writers of Voyager.

Actually, the difference is that as an actor, Robert Picardo injects far more sarcasm into the part than Brent Spiner. In any case, you'd think that Dr. Soong would have left some notes somewhere..

well that because the Dr. (picardo) was programmed with Lewis Zimmerman's personallity, which was a smug, sarcastic bastard.

Data's personality and emotions started asa blank slate and progressed throught the series. The TNG ep called the Best Toys, showed that Data had indeed been capable of emotions without the chip that Soong gave him(that he didn't use till Generations)

How did Best Toys show Data had emotions?

The episode was titled "The Most Toys".

That was a good episode precisely because there's some uncertainty there. It could be argued that his decision to kill Fajo was a purely logical one, evidenced by his statement "I cannot allow this to continue"; Fajo had demonstrated a willingness to kill others, and threatened to do so again in the near future. However, subsequent to that, he chose to gloss over the event to declare to O'Brien that "perhaps something happened in transport" as a means of explaining away his decision to fire. Why do this? Most telling is during the final confrontation with Fajo in the brig, Data says "I am merely an android", where it's implied that the experience Data has just been through has in fact expanded his programming somewhat.