Stand your ground. Another right/law that doesn't apply to black people

HomerJS

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I've said this for years in ATP&N. Same thing for open carry. IF there is a crime and police show up the first armed black person becomes the suspect.
In June 2020, at the height of racial tension in the country, Wilson fired his handgun at a group of white teens in a truck who were shouting slurs and trying to run Wilson and his family off the road. One of those bullets killed a 17-year-old in the back seat, reports say.
According to Georgia law, a person is justified in using force if they believe that said force is necessary to defend themselves. When self-defense becomes deadly, there’s a question of whether “stand your ground” is justified. However, when you consider how George Zimmerman got away with killing Trayvon Martin, the law was applied to accommodate it.
Family says fatal shooting case shows ‘stand your ground’ defense doesn’t work for Black men (yahoo.com)


Remember the black woman Marissa Alexander who fired a warning shot because her husband threatened her life? Florida wouldn't let her use this defense
Florida Woman In 'Stand Your Ground' Case Accepts Plea Deal : The Two-Way : NPR

Conservatives screaming for their rights refuse to accept those rights are mainly for them.
 
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Moonbeam

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Yup, like I’ve said for years, self hate is transmitted and internalized by fear of remembering being made to feel worthless as children with all of that hate searching endlessly for somebody weaker and more stigmatized to feel safe to dump on. This is why once some segment or subset gets tagged as an object of bigotry, the process becomes self perpetuating.

Unfortunately the cure for hate is love. O loving person needs for other people to suffer for their own inner self hate. All you can do is try to love yourself enough that the attempts to stigmatize fail to have effect.

At some level racism hurts because we have all learned the pain of feeling worthless. It was all a lie. You have a better chance to overcome that yourself for yourself than the before the whole world does.
 
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nickqt

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Stand Your Ground laws aren't really for everyone.

As an after-thought, It protects someone who kills someone else if there is a remotely plausible case that it was in self-defense...unless there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that shows the killer wasn't actually defending themselves. Mix in race, and you better have an overwhelming amount of evidence if you want to prove someone wasn't defending themselves.

Long-term, the laws are essentially just vehicles that will allow our oligarchs' private militaries to avoid civil and criminal liabilities for when they have to put us down for: fill-in-the-blank.
 

woolfe9998

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I don't think this verdict has much to do with the stand your ground law. Self-defense, in any legal form, is not available to a charge of manslaughter, because you cannot accidentally kill someone in self-defense. What actually happened was that the prosecution had initially charged only murder, but in the middle of the trial, when it appeared the jury would likely acquit, the prosecution convinced the judge to add manslaughter as a lesser included offense. One way you get to manslaughter is if a jury decides you honestly believed that your life was at risk - and hence, no malice - but that your belief or your actions were not reasonable under the circumstances. I'd honestly have to know a lot more about the specific facts to render an opinion on that.

In any event, the real controversy is the judge not instructing the jury on the misdemeanor version of manslaughter. That issue is going up on appeal.
 

ch33zw1z

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I don't think this verdict has much to do with the stand your ground law. Self-defense, in any legal form, is not available to a charge of manslaughter, because you cannot accidentally kill someone in self-defense. What actually happened was that the prosecution had initially charged only murder, but in the middle of the trial, when it appeared the jury would likely acquit, the prosecution convinced the judge to add manslaughter as a lesser included offense. One way you get to manslaughter is if a jury decides you honestly believed that your life was at risk - and hence, no malice - but that your belief or your actions were not reasonable under the circumstances. I'd honestly have to know a lot more about the specific facts to render an opinion on that.

In any event, the real controversy is the judge not instructing the jury on the misdemeanor version of manslaughter. That issue is going up on appeal.
Thanks for the more legal perspective
 

railer

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No you don't get to murder people just because you're black and then claim "racism". BTW don't you already have your own separate thread related to make-believe racism? Why isn't this anecdote tucked away with all those other stories?
 
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HomerJS

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No you don't get to murder people just because you're black and then claim "racism". BTW don't you already have your own separate thread related to make-believe racism? Why isn't this anecdote tucked away with all those other stories?
Notice your useful review of the evidence jerks trying to run the black guy off the road with their cars

How would you have suggested he defend himself under the given circumstances. Or does he just have to take one for the team?
 

brycejones

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No you don't get to murder people just because you're black and then claim "racism". BTW don't you already have your own separate thread related to make-believe racism? Why isn't this anecdote tucked away with all those other stories?
Its odd what threads you show up in and what positions you take.

Not really, we all now why do you what you do here.
 
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HomerJS

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The murderers version of events is usually not the first point of view I go with.
There was a witness. Marc's girlfriend was in the car with him. You still haven't answered the question. In that situation what is the proper way to defend yourself?
 

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