Stainless steel IS magnetic?

Red Squirrel

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Can confirm:



TBH I did not figure it was magnetic either till I tried it just now.

From my understanding stainless steel is basically a mixture of different materials though, which include steel. So makes sense.
 

Fenixgoon

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I always thought it wasn't.

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depends on the type of stainless steel. there are many types.

there's austenitic stainless, which is not magnetic. these are your 200 and 300 series stainless steels. heavy alloying with manganese (200 series) and nickel (300 series) is used to stabilize the face-centered-cubic austenite structure at room temperature. these steels strengthen by work hardening operations - rolling, drawing, etc.

the 400 series stainless steels are martensitic and ferritic. both structures are magnetic. the martensitic stainless are your 410's, 20's, and 40's. these are 12% Cr with about 0.15-1.2% carbon depending on desired strength and hardness level. strength is achieved by carbon supersaturation in martensite, and toughness is restored by stress relieving/tempering.
430 and 409 are your basic ferritic stainless - straight chromium and low carbon. strength comes from work hardening like the 200/300 series.

then there's the precipitation hardening stainless steels, which are martensitic or semi-austenitic. these will be weakly magnetic. these are your 17-4's, 15-5's, etc. they strengthen by precipitation of intermetallic compounds. carbon is actually detrimental to these steels, so carbon levels are intentionally kept < 0.1%. combinations of strength, toughness, and corrosion resistance are determined based on the heat treatment temperature, with 900F generally being the highest strength/lowest toughness and 1150F being the lowest strength but highest toughness.

there's also duplex stainless steels, but i'm not terribly familiar with them. being a duplex structure, they are probably weakly magnetic.


welcome to the wonderful world of steels. this is the world i love to play in :D
<-- materials engineer/metallurgist
 
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Howard

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I have personally experienced ferromagnetism in 304 (18-8) stainless. It's not too common but cold working can increase its effects.
 

Fenixgoon

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I have personally experienced ferromagnetism in 304 (18-8) stainless. It's not too common but cold working can increase its effects.

cold working austenitic stainless steels can cause a partial transformation to martensite, which is magnetic.

a fully annealed austenitic stainless will not be magnetic.
 

Imp

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Depends on grade or something.

Found this out when I tried to test if something was stainless steel or lead.
 

John Connor

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Can confirm that a scalpel is also magnetic. Even the blade which is surgical steel. Fun fact #342. They actually beam radiation on the blades to kill germs.



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I used to design cylindrical magnetrons used for PVD sputtering, and the magnetic field could not be disrupted by a magnetic core, so we tried to use 316 whenever possible. It has less of a chance to become magnetic when cold worked compared to 304. For our anodes, we used 410 stainless, since we wanted that to be magnetic.
 

Chiropteran

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If it's not magnetic you can't cook with it on an induction cook-top. I think all the good stainless steel pans and pots are magnetic.
 

edro

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300 series ss - not magnetic
400 series ss - magnetic
Yes, and to elaborate on corrosion:

300 series ss - not magnetic - less corrosion
400 series ss - magnetic - more corrosion

400 series will have visible rust if left outdoors and will quickly rust in a salt fog environment.
300 series is much better versus corrosion due to the higher nickel content.

This is very important when using fasteners or hardware outdoors.
 

John Connor

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My stainless steel sink is kinda magnetic. The magnet attracts, but not that strong. Does that mean this sink is shit?
 

Howard

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cold working austenitic stainless steels can cause a partial transformation to martensite, which is magnetic.

a fully annealed austenitic stainless will not be magnetic.
Regardless, something that is ostensibly 18-8 stainless (the most common "real stainless steel" alloy) can actually be/become magnetic. To the layperson, whether the structure is fully austenitic or partially martensitic is esoteric to the max.
 

Red Squirrel

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I tried to magnetize a butter knife, that did not go so well as the pair of scissors. Different grade I guess. Come to think of it, what's better for magnetizing stuff, a steady DC current, or a single pulse of very high DC current? I used a pulse of 24vdc from a 2000uf capacitor for the scissors, but I've also used a steady 12vdc as well for stuff like screwdrivers. Never experimented much to see what's better. One of these days I need to build a large capacitor bank. :D
 

Jeff7

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What about:

Tin?
Aluminum?
Bronze?
Brass?
Tungston?
Boron?
Manganese?
Einsteinium?
ferritic stainless steels - generally magnetic
austenitic stainless steels - usually are not magnetic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferromagnetism
"Only a few substances are ferromagnetic. The common ones are iron, nickel, cobalt and most of their alloys, some compounds of rare earth metals, and a few naturally-occurring minerals such as lodestone."

There is also a small number of compounds that are ferromagnetic.


Aluminum is interesting though. Copper does something similar.
 
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yh125d

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I'm not an expert but I thought anything containing Fe/Ni/Co must be at least partially (ferro)magnetic. While the percentages of those in any certain alloy and the specific molecular structure can affect it greatly, it must be somewhat magnetic, even if not enough for you to readily feel.


On a mostly unrelated note, my brother got me some Gallium for Christmas. Metal, but melts in your hand. Pretty cool. Only slightly radioactive!