ST - Warp speed used by other races = warp speed used by humans?

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Lifer
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This is a fun topic.......why be a grumpy person?
When you post a new topic I will post WHO CARES to you topic.

As if I care anyways....

I'm not a grumpy person. You're a grumpy person.

You're also a dishonest person. If this is a fun topic as you claim, then why aren't you having fun discussing it instead of this angry post at me?

I, unlike you, had fun giving the answer I gave.

I gave the OP (and you) something to think about other than what the OP was originally thinking about.

Furthermore, anger is usually triggered by fear. I think you fear my post pushing real science will intrude on your agenda of pushing religion. I was just speaking my mind on the topic, you can let go of that fear now.
 
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Strk

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I'm not a grumpy person. You're a grumpy person.

You're also a dishonest person. If this is a fun topic as you claim, then why aren't you having fun discussing it instead of this angry post at me?

I, unlike you, had fun giving the answer I gave.

I gave the OP (and you) something to think about other than what the OP was originally thinking about.

Because this is how your response sounds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD3znxRvxGg
 

ultimatebob

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Ya know, this always bugged me about Star Trek. The other series had things going faster than Warp 10 quite a bit, but then Voyager changed the rules and said that Warp 10 was the maximum speed possible.

That said, Voyager always seemed to take liberties with the "rules" of Star Trek, and had way more technobabble than the other series.
 

poofyhairguy

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That said, Voyager always seemed to take liberties with the "rules" of Star Trek, and had way more technobabble than the other series.

Voy ruined the best villains Trek ever had. Oh and the BSG reboot makes it seem more dated than La Forge's upbeat 80s cheese.
 

Newbian

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I think you fear my post pushing real science

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02ranger

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I think that is just the difference in how they generated the power to acheive warp speed, not in how warp drive itself worked. I think 99% of the warp speed capable species encountered in TNG, DS9, and VOY (never watched ENT and don't like TOS) used the same mechanism for FTL travel, but different ways to generate the power. The other 1% would cover things like Transwarp drive or the one with the wormholes or that episode of TNG where they tried using that slide/wave thing to transport the ship.

The "wave thing" was a soliton wave in Season 5 episode "New Ground". I think they described it as riding a wave that is generated at point A and terminated at point B. The upside was you didn't have to have nacelles or a warp core to travel FTL, the downside was a station had to be where you were starting and ending your trip at, I think. I don't know if this counts as not being warp drive, I don't remember how it was described in detail, I just couldn't stand leaving it as just "that slide/wave thing".
 

yllus

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I love a good sci-fi theory discussion! Okay, here's my take:

As others have stated, there appear to be a handful of different ways to generate power, but pretty much every race seems to be using the same basic engine technology (warp nacelles). Why the nearly singular engine type? I'd guess that it comes down to efficiency - the universe may be vast, but it's mostly made out of the same stuff (not much exotic matter out there relatively speaking). Warp nacelles that work off of plasma just make sense considering what the universe makes readily available to sentient races.
 

Jeff7

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Writing a proper alien race, ie one that is really alien, is tough.

Heck, I saw that District 9's makers went with bipedal aliens so that they'd be more relatable to the audience. There was concern that if they were 4-legged or 6-legged, then audiences wouldn't ever really sympathize with them.

Or it might make audiences shy away.

The Distant Origin episode of Voyager is an example where Starfleet's finest Delta Quadrant crew wasn't able to find some clever way of outwitting a superior adversary. The Voth showed up, overpowered Voyager in no time flat, and easily shut down anything the crew tried to do.
It'd be like a person showing up at a hornet nest while wearing protective clothing and wielding three cans of Raid and a Shopvac. The hornets just can't do anything to overcome that kind of advantage.
That kind of thing can leave audiences feeling like changing the channel, and we can't risk losing a single viewer for any reason.



What I meant is that the Universal Translator also translates implied meanings across known species. So "Warp 4" for species X might actually translate to "Warp 8" for humanity across unit conversion scales. The Universal Translator takes these things into account.
So much of our language requires you to understand a lot about how things are here on Earth, and in this Solar System.

Quick, how long is a year? How long is a day?
What if the aliens come from a binary star system and their planet rotates very slowly, maybe like Venus, where the day is longer than the year?
Or a place where water never freezes - or a place that doesn't have liquid water at all, where our word "rock" would translate as "water."

It is of course just a plot device to make it all go quicker. (duh)
You'd likely have a lot of interactions where a few decades pass before two species could communicate effectively, and then they might find that they have nothing of interest to talk about. That's assuming that they speak vocally, and that their language is compatible with ours in any manner. ("Wait, you don't communicate using a pheromone mister or by changing the polarization of the skin on your face? How...you can't...but...what??")


Or the Enterprise bodge fix: Hoshi. Sure, just listen to an alien talk for several minutes. You'll be able to figure out how to synthesize the rest of their language from that!
A computer wouldn't be able to do that with just our species, unless perhaps it was able to quickly simulate a probable history for us with an absolutely absurd level of detail, meaning simulate the origins of life on Earth at the atomic level and pass it all the way up until you've got humans talking to each other.

"Ooh, I like this German word. But it sounds a bit weird at the end so I'll just hack off a syllable. There we go, better!"
Then a few years later it gains a Latin suffix and loses a consonant somewhere.
Or a Japanese word is roughly translated and spelled phonetically, and is also assigned a fraction of its original meaning.