SSD Real-world performance gain is negligible compared with HDD

Falafil

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I bought a top-of-the-line SSD, the Samsung 840 series, and surely enough the synthetic benchmarks showed it was many times faster than my 7200 rpm HDD. Huge speeds, 5 times faster in sequential tests, about ten times faster in 512k tests, and exponentially faster in 4k tests. I got the same results that I was supposed to get.

But when it came down to real world performance, such as the time it took to load a game, the MAX gain was hardly 50%, meaning in some games it would load 1.5 times faster than the HDD, and in some others there's no gain at all. I compared my load times with others found on youtube, and they were the same.

But load times were never really a concern to me, what I bought the SSD for was to eliminate the loading stutter/hiccups/hitching in games where data is streamed while playing rather than being fully loaded into RAM in the pre-game loading screen. And there was not a single improvement over the HDD. The load stutter was still there, and I checked and double checked drive usage during these periods and the SSD would send data at the same speed the HDD did.

Certainly the internet is full of garbage, and it is unfortunately there my decision to buy an SSD was made. You would read people saying:
"Mmmm... my SSD is so lightning fast! I don't know how I lived without it! Everything is so much more responsive!" (note the use of the word "responsive" in a vague manner without explaining what is precisely meant by it).
"Yes after using the SSD everything in Skyrim became butter smooth! No more load hiccups! I can't believe I used to play Skyrim without an SSD! You should try it!" (and no visual proof of this is given)
"I used to wait 10 minutes for my Call of Duty game to load, now it loads in only like 2 seconds!" (and no visual proof of this is given)

I think SSD's are like the Emperor's new clothes, either they are not what they claim to be, or all programmers and game developers place some restrictions to prevent you from taking advantage of your SSD. Either way, SSD's are not worth the money.
 

rsutoratosu

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Show me your visual proof of this slowness you claim. Maybe its something else on your pc. Make a video and post it
 

Falafil

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Show me your visual proof of this slowness you claim. Maybe its something else on your pc. Make a video and post it

Fine I'll post a video, but you shouldn't be so quick to assume you know about someone's own computer more than they do.
 

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SSD has been by far the biggest single item upgrade I have ever done. You should have seen improvement across the board.

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Falafil

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SSD has been by far the biggest single item upgrade I have ever done. You should have seen improvement across the board.

Sent from my Nokia Lumia 920 using Board Express

Show me a video of this great improvement across the board, or gtfo. You're no different than all the other people who post this kind stuff on the internet. Show proof where it fixed in-game data streaming, show me where it made game load times so lightning fast they would make you go "wow!"
 

Makaveli

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I bought a top-of-the-line SSD, the Samsung 840 series, and surely enough the synthetic benchmarks showed it was many times faster than my 7200 rpm HDD. Huge speeds, 5 times faster in sequential tests, about ten times faster in 512k tests, and exponentially faster in 4k tests. I got the same results that I was supposed to get.

But when it came down to real world performance, such as the time it took to load a game, the MAX gain was hardly 50%, meaning in some games it would load 1.5 times faster than the HDD, and in some others there's no gain at all. I compared my load times with others found on youtube, and they were the same.

But load times were never really a concern to me, what I bought the SSD for was to eliminate the loading stutter/hiccups/hitching in games where data is streamed while playing rather than being fully loaded into RAM in the pre-game loading screen. And there was not a single improvement over the HDD. The load stutter was still there, and I checked and double checked drive usage during these periods and the SSD would send data at the same speed the HDD did.

Certainly the internet is full of garbage, and it is unfortunately there my decision to buy an SSD was made. You would read people saying:
"Mmmm... my SSD is so lightning fast! I don't know how I lived without it! Everything is so much more responsive!" (note the use of the word "responsive" in a vague manner without explaining what is precisely meant by it).
"Yes after using the SSD everything in Skyrim became butter smooth! No more load hiccups! I can't believe I used to play Skyrim without an SSD! You should try it!" (and no visual proof of this is given)
"I used to wait 10 minutes for my Call of Duty game to load, now it loads in only like 2 seconds!" (and no visual proof of this is given)

I think SSD's are like the Emperor's new clothes, either they are not what they claim to be, or all programmers and game developers place some restrictions to prevent you from taking advantage of your SSD. Either way, SSD's are not worth the money.

Is that the 840 or 840 pro model?

And there is about 1000+ people on this forum that will disagree with you on this.


Fine I'll post a video, but you shouldn't be so quick to assume you know about someone's own computer more than they do.

:) are you being serious?

Believe it or not there are some people on this site that have more experience than you with computers.

And since this is your first SSD you are not an expert hence the reason you are posting here.

Show me a video of this great improvement across the board, or gtfo. You're no different than all the other people who post this kind stuff on the internet. Show proof where it fixed in-game data streaming, show me where it made game load times so lightning fast they would make you go "wow!"


Why don't you actually do something that has an I/O bottleneck then compare it to the same task on your HDD.
 
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Falafil

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Is that the 840 or 840 pro model?

And there is about 1000+ people on this forum that will disagree with you on this.

840, not pro.
If just 1 one out of those 1000+ people posts a video showing significant improvement in in-game data streaming or in pre-game loading times, then I will be perfectly content.
 

Railgun

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Show where the SSD is your alleged bottleneck for that game. Then we'll gtfo. How about you indicate what your network details are...eg speed, latency, etc. I'd be willing to bet is the latter, nothing to do with the disk. And simply loading a game with a stopwatch isn't showing that it's I/O dependent.
 
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Makaveli

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840, not pro.
If just 1 one out of those 1000+ people posts a video showing significant improvement in in-game data streaming or in pre-game loading times, then I will be perfectly content.

This is your problem.

No one has to convince you of anything.

We all know an SSD is better than a Hard drive.

Your mind already sounds made up why don't you just return it and go back to the hard drive.
 

Zardnok

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Just look at his screen name people and don't feed the trolls. Kcid... If you want to be taken seriously, you would be well served to recreate an account without such a puerile moniker and not come here with your first few posts blasting away at known posters about their lack of knowledge.
 

KingFatty

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Also, can someone help point out ways to improve those pain points for him, like speeding up loading of games and levels? I think you may be CPU bottlenecked there, so maybe look into a faster CPU+motherboard+RAM?

But I really notice the benefits of my SSD when I switch back to using a Hard Drive, especially since I do that using the same computer (just going into BIOS and changing the boot disk order when I want to boot off my old installation on my old hard drive). That helps illustrate where you hit slowdowns, you miss the SSD performance when it's gone.
 

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1. Every SSD I've owned dominated over my HDD, however, I had to set them up by disabling and enabling a whole bunch of settings in Windows. Win7 for me has NEVER instituted the necessary changes to make my SSD's run top notch, and I've had 5 setups with them so far. I don't like windows 8, so I can't comment on it, because I don't use it.

2. There is more to gaming then just an SSD, such as what gets loaded in your ram and on your video card. You can bottle neck there.

3. Your internet connection can cause lag while data gets streamed from whatever gaming service you use to your load screen.

Anyway, there are some other reasons for you to think on.

Also SPEEDY SSD VIDEO

Oh Hey, Lookie here too


Also, this video is old.
 
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Makaveli

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SSDs are great, sounds like you should have gotten the pro series of samsung. I always do.

He doesn't know where the bottleneck is getting a faster SSD probably won't help.

I've heard people saying SSD gives a better experience in skyrim but i'm not sure what he was expecting.

The tone of his post was not I need help I don't think this is working properly. It just comes off as complaining which isn't the best way to get help. I know I was even reluctant to post after I read it because this will turn into a mud slinging troll thread in no time.
 
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840, not pro.
If just 1 one out of those 1000+ people posts a video showing significant improvement in in-game data streaming or in pre-game loading times, then I will be perfectly content.

See my previous post. Nuff said
 

rsutoratosu

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Fine I'll post a video, but you shouldn't be so quick to assume you know about someone's own computer more than they do.

I dont know jack crap about your pc, but you come here trashing stuff, not posting specs, not posting videos, not posting any proof.
 

nanaki333

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wow.. ass this time... all of those SSDs i've had... did not actually speed up my computer over HDD... :(
 

Falafil

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Okay here's game on the SSD :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-PVtUPdPzM&feature=youtu.be

Here it is on the HDD :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3P9av6TCW8&feature=youtu.be

Framerate is lowered to 25fps by the video converter for some reason, the hitching looks worse at 60fps.

Here is I/O during gameplay:

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As for the countless trolls in this thread, I really don't need to respond to you people. I'm not making this thread so some random people on a forum who think they know more than they actually do can give their generic advice of "Update your drivers, check your temps, etc...", I'm writing it so that if someone searching on the net wants to see if an SSD will fix his in-game data-streaming stutters, he will stumble upon this thread and think twice.

Oh and one last note, I know what my specs are and what their limitations are and I constantly monitor their usage, so I don't really need some newbies teaching me about network lag and CPU bottlenecks.
 

Elixer

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It really depends on the task, but, over all, you really should see a 'snappier' system if you are using a SSD over a HD.

However, since this looks like a troll thread, then there is no need to comment anymore.
 

Falafil

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See my previous post. Nuff said

Yes great proof, I'm convinced. One video showing only something remotely related to video games, where there's a Crysis playing in the background while some guy is jumping on a trampoline holding a ton of SSD's.

And another video showing half boot time? The thread is about gameplay, and I never said that loading times didn't improve, I said they were not something that made you go "wow!". I get even better windows boot times than on that video, plus I already said that my game load times are the same as the others posted on youtube.
 

pcslookout

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I agree with you.

Unless you open a lot of programs at once, going to use a lot of heavy VMs, or something else hard drive intensive you don't see much improvement with SSDs in real life situations.

I have SSDs too.
 
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R0H1T

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Folks just a word of advice here, maybe the OP can't isolate the fault in his system or any of the settings(BIOS or OS) that could be affecting his SSD performance, you'd do well not to antagonize him. There was a similar thread(perhaps two) a few months back in the CPU section & the OP didn't get much help there, just rude n*** kicks, don't let your own presumptions &/or predispositions get in the way of helping someone who's in trouble !
 
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Stop calling these people trolls, trust me they would know more than you. About the ssd I have an 840 non pro as well and I have not seen these issues you speak of. I may not have played fallout on pc but I recently bought oblivion on steam and have not seen these issues. You claim its not your specs and you know more about them than us but you still refuse to tell us what they are and before you say something about my specs ill tell you. Its just a core i3 2105 with an h61 board, 7850, and no hdd yet so its not some bleeding system.
 

Mugenx

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SSDs are only good for:

1. fast booting
2. fast shutdown
3. opening # programs that you will never use at once in the same time
4. fast transferring of large files


SSD should be your last upgrade if you have a fairly fast enough system/rig.

SSD should be your first upgrade if you want to breathe life on an aging system/rig.
 
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