SSD caching a great idea?

Habeed

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The roots for the concept of SSD caching have to do with OS paging. The OS paging algorithms are very, very efficient at guessing which portions of RAM aren't going to be accessed again and copying those pages to the disk. Misses are very rare (although still agonizingly slow, as anyone who remembers computers from a 5+ years ago when you had so little RAM)

Well, it would be great to pair up a large standard hard drive and an SSD and to unify the two under a single drive letter. Similar paging algorithms would be used to figure out which sectors of the hard drive to cache on to the SSD.

Upsides :

1. Almost all of the performance benefits of an SSD, with the space of a hard drive.
2. Very small SSDs would still provide a substantial performance boost. A cheap 40-60 gb ssd (as long as it uses an Intel or Sandforce controller) would provide a huge speed boost to a 2 TB + hard drive.
3. This would make it practical for Dell and the other OEMS to bundle an SSD in to their standard offerings. Finally, those shitty Dells that corporate America uses everywhere won't be so agonizingly slow. (well, until the corporation loads them up with Malware like antivirus and tattling programs, that is)
4. Laptops could come standard with a small compact ssd to turbocharge the glacially slow hard drive that comes with a typical laptop.

Downsides :
1. If the hard drive dies, you lose ALL your data.
2. If the SSD dies under load, you lose the most recent file writes. Syncing to the hard disk would only be done periodically. (if they want to maximize performance, that is)
3. CPU usage by the Intel driver. Drive volumes might be restricted to Windows only, difficult to run recovery tools if something goes wrong.
4. Still faster, simpler, and more reliable to just buy an ssd or two for all of your applications and OS. Movies, backups, downloads, and other data that can be accessed linearly goes on the hard drive. Not a good idea for enthusiast, desktop users like 90% of the folks here.
 
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nanaki333

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are you referring to something like the seagate hybrid drives that already exist?
 

Tsavo

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Or are you speculating about the z68 perhaps?

Or the other few companies set to release SSD caching software.

I think this is a cool idea; one doesn't have to spend big $ on a large capacity SSD to enjoy a good chunk of SSD performance when used with a platter drive.

I think this is pretty much the same thing as what the Seagate hybrid drive does, but with a driver, an ssd and a platter drive as separate components.

I'd like to see a platter drive integrated with more NAND cache than the 4GB Seagate puts in theirs.

I don't know what the ideal size NAND cache would be...16GB? 32GB?
 

Rifter

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If you want this why not just buy the seagate drive? unless you want more SSD than 4GB.
 

Tsavo

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If you want this why not just buy the seagate drive? unless you want more SSD than 4GB.

Because this would be faster than the Seagate unit, and users could enjoy a good chunk of the speed of a large capacity stand-alone SSD without the price or having separate OS and data drives.
 

beginner99

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are you referring to something like the seagate hybrid drives that already exist?

Yes that would be the obvious answer but I rather think he is referring to a function on the upcoming Z68 chip set from Intel that has a feature called ssd caching about which not much is known. In fact it's not even known if that is driver only eg. will then also work on P67 and H67 or even P55.

But still i do not see why to make it overly complicated. you need 2 drives anyway, just buy them and use them as 2 drives.
 

Edrick

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With SSD prices coming down (and will continue to to do so), I see this SSD caching as a technology coming a little late to the party. Sure it would have been great to have in 2009, but in 2011 and on, may not be as popular. Thats just my opinion.
 

beginner99

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IMHO s very small possibly slc flash would be enough for the page file like on the seagate hybrid drive.

Still, I see no reason why not to go with 2 drives at least on desktops.
 

dbcooper1

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With everything passing through the SSD as a write, it seems like the lifespan might be shortened when used in such a manner.
 

VirtualLarry

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Or the other few companies set to release SSD caching software.

Do you remember the "100X CD-ROM" packages sold at computer shows way back when in the days of the 16-32X CD-ROM drives? They simply cached portions of the CD onto the HD.
 

scrubman

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I recently went to a SSD OS/Boot drive with an affordable 64GB Sanforce. I welcome the idea of having a single drive letter just to simplify things a bit. In other words I would not have C : \ Program Files and D : \ Program Files for installed apps. Only problem with that is I want certain apps to fully utilize the SSD and I dont know how much control I would have. It sounds interesting and I look forward to learning more about the option. Options are good!
 
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Makaveli

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If this is really how SSD caching is going to work I don't see that being useful for me at all.

Everything that I access frequently is on the SSD and only Storage Items on my HD.

I don't really need anything cached from the HD because it not accessed alot.