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Spontaneous Recovery and Miraculous Healing

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jack bauer

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I am a Naturalist and a scientist, and do genetic research here in California. Married into a Pentecostal Christian family a couple years ago and I am the only secular person in the family. Currently, I am researching information on a book I am writing about Naturalism, Religion, and Behavioral Biology. Here is my question:

A member of the family was is a terrible accident in which part of there body was torn off completely, or as the story goes. The doctor told this person they would have to do plastic surgery over 2 years. The family prayed over her and the missing part has spontaneously recovered. This person has not been back to see the doctor; I do not know why. Even though there were over 4-5 witnesses not including doctors, I find this story, one of many I might add, to be impossible and want some answers. Here are my real questions:

1. Where can I find links to this subject from a scientific basis?

2. Do doctors have to report this kind of activity, and if not, why not. Is there some kind of 'conspiracy' to hide this kind of information from the public?

3. Very important. Has this kind of phenomena been reported in non-Christian religions?

Why am I concerned ? as a scientist, I want to help as many people as I can. If this sort of miraculous recovery is indeed true and is not being studied, we are doing the world an injustice. If these things are true, thousands of non believers will die and be punished for it, and I will feel somehow at fault. I am not looking for debate. I am looking for information. Secular information. Thank you. I will edit if need be. as a husband, my marriage is at stake. Ever since my wife has had her life overcome with this 'relationship,' ourt marriage has slowly been crumbling and it is very sad. I want to know the truth and will not stop my research until I find what I am looking for. This subject is not to be taken lightly and is serious to me, and should be to every scientist and atheist, and depending on question number 3, every non-Christian. Thanks for the links and comments.




 
I highly recommend finding a used copy of this book and reading it:
Arigo: Surgeon of the Rusty Knife

It is the only book I have found (so far) that documents a story of medical doctors attempting to study and understand a man that does what is considered impossible in helping people to heal.

The book is about real events that happened in the 1950's through 1970's.
 
Originally posted by: jack bauer
No one else wants to comment? So, what religion was this doctor?
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Raised devout Catholic but the church opposed his work and he was pretty much informally banned.
 
Dunno if it's exactly what you're looking for but I found this to be somewhat informative a while back, even though it's a bit slanted.
 
A less general description of what happened would be nice. If this person regenerated a LIMB I'd be like "WTF." But if it was like... part of a finger... or an ear or something... sounds impossible but at least less so. 😛
 
I can see this thread getting interesting. I don't have any books for you to read, but here are some observations of mine:

I would think this kind of stuff happens actually more often than we think. It isn't discussed much in hospitals and amongst doctors because well, it isn't scientific. I think the doctors just pass this kind of stuff off as "freak" occurances, and/or psychological healings. I'm a pretty firm believer in the power of the mind and that a lot of peoples problems/healings are psychological based. You know, somebody has a headache, you give them a sugar pill, tell them it's better than advil and tylenol combined, and bam they get better. Obviously this wouldn't exactly work for the regeneration of a lost extremity, but I think a lot of people consider that kind of stuff more faith based/miraculous and most religions don't really promote highly advertising those kinds of experiences, and the recipients hold them as special/personal experiences instead. Besides what do they have to gain by going back to the doctor? Another bill and a lack of an explanation from the doctor.

I don't think doctors have some kind of conspiracy theory to hide it, because if you don't believe it, you have nothing to really be afraid of. Especially if it can't be scientifically replicated at will. I'm also sure this kind of stuff happens amongst even non-christian based faiths (this coming back to the psychological/faith based factor).
 
Doctor's study pathology and nothing else, this is a well known inadequacy. they often can not see theforest for the trees.
I would urge you to look into profissional journals of Social Psychology for evidence of this.

As far as the the study of spontaneous healing, it's unfortunately not often studied. once a person is healed they fall out of the machine of health care and followup is simply not pursued for those people in my experience...
 
Also, I have no idea how accurate the following is, so don't quote me. I was in this class last semester and a guy in the class gave a pretty interesting report on the history of the drug/pharmaceutical industry. He said back in the day there was a bit of a political war between the drug researchers and the natural organic researchers. Both sides were desperate for cash and had virtually no funding. Along came Rockefeller and he decided to be generous and start dumping tons of money into the cure researching industry...his only stipulation; Absolutely no studying of natural/organic cures. He only gave funding to the companies who researched chemicals/drugs. This created a trend that's being followed to this day.

It is engrained into our brains that doctors/drugs as we know them is pretty much the only way to deal with infirmities. And this is largely due to Rockefeller starting the trend to fund only the research of drugs, thus making most people completely forget about any possible alternatives (natural/organic stuff, mind healing techniques, etc.)

Again, this is just what I gathered from his report and have no idea how accurate it is.
 
Originally posted by: Alienwho
Also, I have no idea how accurate the following is, so don't quote me. I was in this class last semester and a guy in the class gave a pretty interesting report on the history of the drug/pharmaceutical industry. He said back in the day there was a bit of a political war between the drug researchers and the natural organic researchers. Both sides were desperate for cash and had virtually no funding. Along came Rockefeller and he decided to be generous and start dumping tons of money into the cure researching industry...his only stipulation; Absolutely no studying of natural/organic cures. He only gave funding to the companies who researched chemicals/drugs. This created a trend that's being followed to this day.

It is engrained into our brains that doctors/drugs as we know them is pretty much the only way to deal with infirmities. And this is largely due to Rockefeller starting the trend to fund only the research of drugs, thus making most people completely forget about any possible alternatives (natural/organic stuff, mind healing techniques, etc.)

Again, this is just what I gathered from his report and have no idea how accurate it is.
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I have not heard that and do not believe it is fully accurate (if at all).

What I do know: USA law states that only a drug can cure illness. As such, if a person without a medical license gives someone else a vitamin and claims it will cure an illness, that person can be sued under USA law for 'prescribing drugs'.

The simplest answer is to trace the money. Patents are not permitted on any substance that can occur naturally. As such, pharmeceutical companies cannot patent vitamins and other natural substances. Therefore they can't make gobs of money on natural cures. However, much research is done on naturally occuring compounds in nature. Once one is found, the drug research then attempts to make a synthetic version is that is very slightly different in molecular structure (so that it doesn't occur naturally) but still retains most or all of it's helpful properties. This new structure can be patented as a drug and make gobs of money. It's also part of the reason for side effects. The human body is very complex and will react differently to a compound that is slightly different than another compound.
 
A persons mental health can affect their physical health as sometimes believing that you can recover from sickness, illness or disease is all you need to complete the recovery. I think that the prayer from family and friends does no good except to reinforce a persons state of mind.

I can't imagine that doctors have to report this type of activity but I'm sure that if you spent enough time browsing medical journals you could find some interesting writings. I would also imagine that you wont find much medical evidence as a spiritual recovery is generally not supervised by doctors.

There are healing gods in Greek Mythology, many cultures have amulets, crystals, and statues of healing. Tribal people have Medicine Men who combine natural medicine with healing ceremony
 
Originally posted by: Alienwho


Obviously this wouldn't exactly work for the regeneration of a lost extremity, but I think a lot of people consider that kind of stuff more faith based/miraculous and most religions don't really promote highly advertising those kinds of experiences, and the recipients hold them as special/personal experiences instead. Besides what do they have to gain by going back to the doctor? Another bill and a lack of an explanation from the doctor.
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I don't think so. If a limb or part of the body was severed, and there where xrays and documentation, and the part reappreared, the doctor would have to demand a follow up. The wound would become infected and the doctor could get sued. If a person called a doctor called and said the part is back, and the doctor said, "o...good luck with that," they should be fired and put in jail. They had the PROOF to save the exsistance of mankind and that the lord is real. Since there are no documents of this in published exsistance, the chance that it happens are roughtly in the low %s.


 
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