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Spidey...need your advice

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Goosemaster

Lifer
We are using astaro. It has worked very well

I am trying to tell the boss to keep astaro but he says that it is too expensive for QoS. We really need a solution that can do QoS based on ports, port ranges, and protocols


We were thinking about ClarkConenct and Smoothwall but they are still too expensive for him:roll:

That and he wants a harddrive less router.

We don't eaxtly need VPN right now but we need a MASSIVE amount of packet filter rules and QoS for VoIP. Anything else is jsut a whipp topping on our german chocolate cake.

Basically, I was looking around and found some Netopia's that caught my attention.

Both the Netopia 3346N and the 3387WG (if we choose no have wireless on the gateway..not likely😛)

caught my eye.

4 ports?! QoS?! VPFVKINGN? For that price it loosk fantastic (<$200 for the 3346N.

Basically, I was hoping you could give me some background as to how these would comapre to Astaro or perhaps to other appliances in the <$300 range

Thanks

Yeah, astaro kick azz😛
 
Honestly, to tell you the truth. I have no idea...just not familiar with those models.

QoS on some of the smaller stuff can get really processor intensive depending on the speeds you need to achieve. What kinds of QoS do you require? What are the "goes into and goes outta" interfaces? Is it only voice or do you need full fledged voice, video, multiple data queues?
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Honestly, to tell you the truth. I have no idea...just not familiar with those models.

QoS on some of the smaller stuff can get really processor intensive depending on the speeds you need to achieve. What kinds of QoS do you require? What are the "goes into and goes outta" interfaces? Is it only voice or do you need full fledged voice, video, multiple data queues?
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Two 6Mbps WAN links and only voice but multiple and independent voice clients inaddition to the other data queues such as Http and http server traffic.

1 Line is probably at 30% most of the day
 
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: spidey07
Honestly, to tell you the truth. I have no idea...just not familiar with those models.

QoS on some of the smaller stuff can get really processor intensive depending on the speeds you need to achieve. What kinds of QoS do you require? What are the "goes into and goes outta" interfaces? Is it only voice or do you need full fledged voice, video, multiple data queues?
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Two 6Mbps WAN links and only voice but multiple and independent voice clients inaddition to the other data queues such as Http and http server traffic.

1 Line is probably at 30% most of the day
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Well you know my answer then. A cisco 2800 series. (hate to be a cisco biggot, the 2600 line was severely underpowered/crippled...but the x800 line is quite impressive)

Face it, you need something that can handle/shape/QoS 12 Mbs and that is today. Whose to say you won't outgrow the 12 Mbs? I'd hate to see you slam in a solution that will only last a year or two.

Sure for the current application it is voice only, but things change and once you discover what you can "really do" the requirements will change.

If you're moving a constant 3 with a burst of 12 Mbs you need a real router.

How are these 6 Mbs WAN connections delivered/presented to you? T3? Ethernet? ATM? IMA? Frame? SONET?
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: spidey07
Honestly, to tell you the truth. I have no idea...just not familiar with those models.

QoS on some of the smaller stuff can get really processor intensive depending on the speeds you need to achieve. What kinds of QoS do you require? What are the "goes into and goes outta" interfaces? Is it only voice or do you need full fledged voice, video, multiple data queues?
Click to expand...

Two 6Mbps WAN links and only voice but multiple and independent voice clients inaddition to the other data queues such as Http and http server traffic.

1 Line is probably at 30% most of the day
Click to expand...

Well you know my answer then. A cisco 2800 series. (hate to be a cisco biggot, the 2600 line was severely underpowered/crippled...but the x800 line is quite impressive)

Face it, you need something that can handle/shape/QoS 12 Mbs and that is today. Whose to say you won't outgrow the 12 Mbs? I'd hate to see you slam in a solution that will only last a year or two.

Sure for the current application it is voice only, but things change and once you discover what you can "really do" the requirements will change.

If you're moving a constant 3 with a burst of 12 Mbs you need a real router.

How are these 6 Mbs WAN connections delivered/presented to you? T3? Ethernet? ATM? IMA? Frame? SONET?
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How much for a good and adaquate 2600 series?

<--only used a 2640 and never got to the QoS
 
2600 will not cut it for your traffic needs.

I mean the 2800 series is only a couple grand. The price of a PC.

Have your boss give me a call if he needs some "consulting"

It irks me to no end to hear "I the network to do everything even though I have no idea what I'm talking about and I want it to be free...I read about a great new product in a magazine that costs less than a 1000 bucks and will watch my kids and do the dishes and do anything and everything I want network wise"

Then you have the "my linux box can do that", no, no it can't.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
2600 will not cut it for your traffic needs.

I mean the 2800 series is only a couple grand. The price of a PC.

Have your boss give me a call if he needs some "consulting"
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dude.....no way he will spend that much🙁


$300 is too much for him:|
 
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Basically, how do you expect the netopia to preform? UI?
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no experience with them.

I would search out test results.

Or basically say "dude, this is what we need. I cannot meet your demands and here is my written reasons why. Please sign this before I proceed further. This is your ass, NOT mine."

WTF!!!! Its only a couple grand to do it right.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Basically, how do you expect the netopia to preform? UI?
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no experience with them.

I would search out test results.

Or basically say "dude, this is what we need. I cannot meet your demands and here is my written reasons why. Please sign this before I proceed further. This is your ass, NOT mine."

WTF!!!! Its only a couple grand to do it right.
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ah..you arachnoids are hilarious:laugh:
 
$249 for the wireless g, the QoS, and the managed switch sound great..we are going with it...


It is no astaro but it looks to be the best router we can get for the price
 
Doh I didn't see that you needed dual WAN. You could try pfsense it is a offshoot of monowall that supports dual wan. I did not have much luck with pfsense kept getting errors about unable to find the kernel and other wierd things. Do a good test if you decide on pfsense as it is only Alpha right now.

I have installed Astaro and it seems to be awesome. I think I may make that my new router. Only concern I have is that there is a 10 ip limit on the free home setup and I have more than that.
 
Originally posted by: w0ss
Doh I didn't see that you needed dual WAN. You could try pfsense it is a offshoot of monowall that supports dual wan. I did not have much luck with pfsense kept getting errors about unable to find the kernel and other wierd things. Do a good test if you decide on pfsense as it is only Alpha right now.

I have installed Astaro and it seems to be awesome. I think I may make that my new router. Only concern I have is that there is a 10 ip limit on the free home setup and I have more than that.
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You can request more IIRC. Basically, Astaro is an absolutely EXCELLENT product. THe thing is you need decent hardware to run it. a 400Mhz will do fine with IDS and routing but when you get into antivirus and email scanning, the HD speed and PRocessing power really make a difference
 
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