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  2. William Gaatjes

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    I am glad to read about this :

    The flash player crashed once again on me. And since the latest update, i have lost the means to disable hardware acceleration for flash player.
    Since flash player crashed again and taking opera with it, i am again forced to uninstall opera, all my settings and un install flash player. Because my stable pc for 5 years in a row not a single crash, is now crashing daily when opera has to render flash content. Non stop memory access violations. And no viruses or any other material. I think i have to read about how to completely remove all flash player crap from the pc.
    It has gotten so worse, that i am now using firefox to surf the internet.

    I despise the flash player. It has damaged my opera installation again.
    And if i have to remove all my opera settings again, i have to do all my email settings again.

    It is not good for the karma to think this way, but i starting to wonder how it feels to have a smile on my face because the entire adobe team ceased to exist for whatever reason.

    Never has Opera crashed on me so often as is happening now.
     
  3. William Gaatjes

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    I disabled the flash player plug in and going to uninstall it.
     
  4. William Gaatjes

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    Without the flash player plug in, Opera is again fast. It behaves as a light weight again and not as a cpu hog.
     
  5. Chiefcrowe

    Chiefcrowe Diamond Member

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    Thanks.. i tried to disable plugins in my browser and it is noticeably faster.

     
  6. RampantAndroid

    RampantAndroid Diamond Member

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    I think it says something when I can run Chrome and IE9 with 20+ tabs open, some of them containing flash info, and none of them crashing.
     
  7. William Gaatjes

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    Ok, i am going to rant now in defense of the Opera browser.
    That is nothing special. I have had constantly 20+ tabs open with opera. When looking for electronic parts or gathering information about a certain subject for work, i have opera working to the max. But is just smooth. I am used to the fact that the pc waits for me to finish, not the other way around. I have to wait for the pc, since the last updates for adobe flash player starting since March. I had since then nothing but trouble.

    Opera is not to blame here. I can now once again enjoy the stability and speed from opera simply by disabling the flash player plugin. All other plug ins work fine. But as soon as i use the flash player, my pc slows down and opera becomes unstable and crashes. I figured it might be because i had an empty backup battery on the MB, which caused all my bios settings to be reset 2 weeks ago. I first assumed, windows had to reload drivers causing a driver issue because of changed IRQ settings.
    But i checked the bios settings again. And let windows detect the hardware again. The pc works fine and is once again incredibly fast. No, at the moment i enable the flash player it is over. And i have to figure out where that hardware acceleration disable option is from the flash player menu.
    After the last update, i am unable to find it. But that means i have to figure out a way to circumvent that issue.

    Opera, rock solid stable for at least 10 years.
    Opera works great. I have been using opera for more then 10 years now and i am amazed how stable it has been over the years.
    The only thing that bothers me from the modern version of opera, is the integrated feature such as opera unite and the bit torrent client. I rather see those as a separate plugin option.


    What do i know ? My windows 98SE behaved as a pre emptive OS machine.My windows 98SE installation was in charge of the programs.
    To give you some idea about how much opera has proven it self to me :
    Back in the days when everybody blamed windows 98SE for being unstable, i realized quickly that the main causes of windows 98SE instability was internet explorer and outlook express combined with flawed registry settings and a lack of security.
    I installed firewall software with a virus scanner to block the open TCP/IP ports together with using opera as a browser / mail client. Modified the registry a bit. Never used IE or outlook express again. My windows 98SE was so stable, that when unreal tournament occasionally would crash during an internet game, my windows 98SE would close down unreal tournament and come up with a notification window that UT was doing something illegal and had to be forced to close down. I could fire up UT and continue gaming.
    Over the years, my software firewall has protected my 98SE pc non stop.
    Logs filled with attacks.
    My windows 98SE was as stable then as i am used to my current incredibly stable windows xp now. In 5 years and installing a lot of very demanding software, i am used to the fact that my windows xp is rock solid stable. I am not used to crashing windows or even crashing programs.
    My pc is reliable. If not, i would not even touch it. I would completely be anti computer.

    Conclusion :
    But only since some crap flash player software since march this year, i have
    constantly been experiencing problems.
     
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  8. William Gaatjes

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    It was not March, but Februari i started having problems.

    This is another rant thread from me. I first thought it was opera. It turns out it is
    the flash player.
    http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2226806&highlight=opera+flash+player

    It makes perfect sense that the opera software team wants to use the plug ins as separate processes. It increases stability and security using the build in NT OS features for security between processes. In all honesty, i read once an interesting article about it, when i was interested in operating systems and how it all functioned, processes, scheduler, semafores, interprocess communication.
    But i have no idea about details and design trade offs.
     
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  9. William Gaatjes

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    I will see if any of this will help. It is from another opera user who posted on the opera forum.

     
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    And I'm going to say it again: if Chrome and IE can both handle flash, and not have flash drag them down (Chrome handles flash crashing very gracefully. Flash goes down, and Chrome just notes on the page that flash needs to be restarted by refreshing the page) then Opera should too. The issue here is that Flash is a plugin known to not be the most stable. Further, Opera is at fault because it isn't robust - they allow a single plugin to drag the whole browser down. That's a poor design. It speaks well to IE and Chrome's robustness, and ability to handle crashes within a tab. I say all of this as someone who works as a software engineer daily - if your product cannot handle a small error and crashes, there's something wrong. If my team is going to approve any bug in triage, it's going to be a "Product crashed ______" bug.
     
  11. William Gaatjes

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    This thread is about the upcoming opera 12.
    From my other post :

    :whiste:
     
  12. William Gaatjes

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    I installed opera 12 yesterday.

    This is what the great program process explorer from sysinternals shows :

    [​IMG]

    It features the opera internet browser plugin wrapper.

    http://browserfame.com/325/opera-64bit-browser-oopp-opera-12

     
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    And yet you're still here saying you have issues with flash.
     
  14. William Gaatjes

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    It helps if you read the posts. I am using 11.62. No OOP because it is implemented since Opera 12 ?

    [​IMG]
     
  15. William Gaatjes

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    And since i reverted to an older version of the flash player, my problems seems to be gone...

    http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2242078

    The flexibility of windows is what made the pc great. Drivers for everything. Huge software availability.
    But it also allowed for some nuisance once in a while.
    Cannot have one without the other.
     
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  16. RampantAndroid

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    First, check the BS images at the door. Second, you never stated the current version.

    But just for you, I set foot on opera.com just to find this for you:
    http://www.opera.com/browser/next/

    Enjoy. I'll keep enjoying a proper browser. That managed to figure out some pretty basic stuff. Years ago.
     
  17. William Gaatjes

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    Well, i would never want to have software from you.
    You cannot read.
    This whole thread is about opera 12. From my posts with links it is clear i have issues while using the latest flash update in combination with the old opera without the oop technique. In the link i stated 11.xx .
    In the posts that i linked, i clearly mentioned i already found a solution that works.

    You assume to much without reading.
    And it is clear you are a fanboy as well with typical fanboy behavior.
    I use chrome (a derivate) , firefox, opera and IE. Depending on the situation of my need. Since i use opera the longest, i am used to the flexibility it provides. Now you can post again proof that you did not read any posts in this thread. I am fine with it. It is already clearly obvious you have an inability to read. Daily software engineer huh ?
     
  18. William Gaatjes

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    You must also be one of those guys that blame windows because a third party software company has written bad drivers or a bad unstable program ?
     
  19. pcslookout

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    I love this thread! Proves why Opera is so great.