Speed Cameras: 1-12-04 UK Driver proves speed camera was wrong

dmcowen674

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1-12-2004 UK Driver proves speed camera was wrong

A motorist who received a fixed penalty notice saying a camera had caught his van travelling at 51 mph in a 30 mph zone has had the penalty overturned after the film showed he had been driving at only 13.42 mph.

"I was fuming when I received the notice," he said. "I knew it was wrong but thought there was no way I could prove it. Then I found out through a friend I could request to see the pictures the camera took.

"I went back to the scene and worked out that I only travelled three metres between the two pictures. When you convert that back it equates to 13.42 mph."

The Dorset Speed Camera Partnership said in December that 23,733 drivers had been fined in the eight months to March 2003, raising more than £1.4 million.

Dorset Speed Camera Partnership cancelled the penalty notice after admitting that the camera's radar had been triggered by a reflected image.

"A reflected image occurs when a radar detects a movement that isn't actually there, which is caused by distortion or a shape of a stationary vehicle. A reflection can occur where the radar reads two images as one.

"This is an extremely rare occurrence and is a known radar phenomenon."

A spokesman said there had been two similar cases in Dorset in the past year.
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Two things, why was the guy only traveling at 13 mile per hour? :confused:

and obviously only 2 people out of nearly 24,000 have challenged the Radar Company. Shame shame you Brits, stand up and fight!
 

chess9

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Dave:

Better yet, DON'T SPEED!

Speed kills. You wouldn't want to be a killer, would you Dave?

-Robert
 

tm37

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Originally posted by: chess9
Dave:

Better yet, DON'T SPEED!

Speed kills. You wouldn't want to be a killer, would you Dave?

-Robert

Turns out this dude wasn't speeding. Although I find it hard to believe that he is the only one who wasn't if there is in fact some error.

I actually got a letter from the city of burnsville claiming that I had "sped past a parked bus with the red coution lights blinking" When in fact I had pasted a MOVING BUS that had his break lights on as he prepared to stop.

I remeber thinking about that bus so it wa the only reason I remembered it.

I do not like any sort of traffic infraction that does not involve a written citation given at the time of trhe infraction.

San Diego HAD red light camera that were totally off, the would cite the last two people to go through, when that was discovered they just shortened the yellow to an unsafe lenth of time.
 

Ultima

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speed cameras are just downright nazi for me. Heck, the speed limit in most places is BS anyways. Red light cameras.. now I can sort of agree with the idea, but from what I've seen it's just more nazism with shortening the yellows etc.. actually making the intersection more dangerous.
 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: Ultima
speed cameras are just downright nazi for me. Heck, the speed limit in most places is BS anyways. Red light cameras.. now I can sort of agree with the idea, but from what I've seen it's just more nazism with shortening the yellows etc.. actually making the intersection more dangerous.

Thats the way I see it. They do it for one purpose - to generate REVENUE for the city. Otherwise, why would you shorten yellow light times while installing cameras? I've seen people get into wrecks over that. Its easy..shorten the time you have to get through the light (or to realize it is turning to yellow to red) and you get to "catch" more people due to the shorter interval to react. Its one thing to put these in to discourage speeding in bad intersections, but don't call it "public safety" when you are just out to make a few bucks.
 

Chris A

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Modify or remove your front plate.. I have yet to put one on my car and it has been 7 years.. I dont have a problem with getting caught but I do have a problem with the cameras and a third party issuing the tickets..
 

B00ne

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
1-12-2004 UK Driver proves speed camera was wrong

Two things, why was the guy only traveling at 13 mile per hour? :confused:

and obviously only 2 people out of nearly 24,000 have challenged the Radar Company. Shame shame you Brits, stand up and fight!

I am no brit but we have those radar cameras prettymuch as exclusive means of speed penalties. Well, it can be a costly endeaver to fight. Because a test of the calibration is really expensive and when it turns out that the machine was calibrated right - you pay.

Btw, how often do u fight for being ticketed with such devices as your cops use. Radar/laser guns or even worse, car mounted radars used from moving vehicles are not even allowed to be used for tickets here, because they are not accurate enough/sources of error to great.
 

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B00ne: I was caught 2x by cameras and ticketed by the Polizei in Germany during the 80s. I agree, the traffic camera photos are very hard to defend against. I think that I paid a fine of DM 140 in 1987 for one ticket. Anyhow, here is a story about a German man who beat the system there.

This German man put on a "Miss Piggy" mask and purposely sped quickly past a camera. Of course the camera captured him and his car on film. When the man went to court, he told the judge that he allowed other people to drive his car and wasn't sure who was guilty. The judge let him off, but ordered him to keep a list of those people driving his car. I thought that was cool! Probably can't get away with such a stunt now though.

I've yet to be caught over here by an American traffic camera so I'm not sure how difficult the process is in the USA.
 
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Originally posted by: Chris A
Modify or remove your front plate.. I have yet to put one on my car and it has been 7 years.. I dont have a problem with getting caught but I do have a problem with the cameras and a third party issuing the tickets..

...sounds like you also have a problem obeying posted speed limits.
 

Ultima

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: Chris A
Modify or remove your front plate.. I have yet to put one on my car and it has been 7 years.. I dont have a problem with getting caught but I do have a problem with the cameras and a third party issuing the tickets..

...sounds like you also have a problem obeying posted speed limits.

...which are usually BS anyways.
 
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Originally posted by: Ultima
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: Chris A
Modify or remove your front plate.. I have yet to put one on my car and it has been 7 years.. I dont have a problem with getting caught but I do have a problem with the cameras and a third party issuing the tickets..

...sounds like you also have a problem obeying posted speed limits.

...which are usually BS anyways.

...not given the rules for obtaining a license in the United States...$19.95, a few multiple-choice questions, and a spin around the block.
 

Ultima

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: Ultima
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: Chris A
Modify or remove your front plate.. I have yet to put one on my car and it has been 7 years.. I dont have a problem with getting caught but I do have a problem with the cameras and a third party issuing the tickets..

...sounds like you also have a problem obeying posted speed limits.

...which are usually BS anyways.

...not given the rules for obtaining a license in the United States...$19.95, a few multiple-choice questions, and a spin around the block.

Yeah, and speed limits are still mostly BS. Driving comes from experience anyways, not some test. Accidents mostly happen for other reasons, including dangerous driving which MIGHT involve a high rate of speed, and alcohol continues to be a very serious problem, but going fast in and of itself isn't dangerous. Just look at the Germans and their Autobahn and they have a lower death rate than over here.

Absolute speed limits just aren't flexible. On a road that is marked 30mph (which just about all of them are over here), on a day like today when there's lots of snow and slush and I have crap traction, i'll stay between 20 - 30 depending on how close other cars are. On a nice summer day I'll be tempted to go 45 - 55 depending on how many lanes and the type of development (commercial, undeveloped etc..). It's all relative.
 

B00ne

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Originally posted by: burnedout
B00ne: I was caught 2x by cameras and ticketed by the Polizei in Germany during the 80s. I agree, the traffic camera photos are very hard to defend against. I think that I paid a fine of DM 140 in 1987 for one ticket. Anyhow, here is a story about a German man who beat the system there.

This German man put on a "Miss Piggy" mask and purposely sped quickly past a camera. Of course the camera captured him and his car on film. When the man went to court, he told the judge that he allowed other people to drive his car and wasn't sure who was guilty. The judge let him off, but ordered him to keep a list of those people driving his car. I thought that was cool! Probably can't get away with such a stunt now though.

I've yet to be caught over here by an American traffic camera so I'm not sure how difficult the process is in the USA.

Oh yeah it still works. My Dad was caught once he then went to the police to tell them that he didnt know who was driving. To the pictures he asked them. "Do you recognize me there - I dont" and he got let off. When I was caught (going 58 over, ahem) I thaugh cool I do the same - well no way the pictures they had were so sharp plus they had several of my head from different angles as well as in profile. So I had no chance denying myself :-(