Speed: Athlon 64 3000 (1.8Ghz/939) vs. Athlon XP 3000 (2.16 Ghz) ?

B S D

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Hi all,

... Originally posted this in the General Hardware forum, but this seem a better place for the discussion...

I am really trying to get some hard numbers on A64 3000 939 vs. XP 3000 performance.

Trying to build a machine for a friend. His budget is ~$550. He already has a cheap 17" CRT from his current K6 setup, and I presume that he'll be keeping the kb/mouse/speakers too.

So, it's just machine for $550 we are trying to build.

Basically, he won't be upgrading the machine for at least a year or two, and by then even mainstream solutions will be multi-core, DDR-2, "Socket Whatever" whiz-bang things. So, he'll need to do a CPU/MB/RAM/GFX swap then anyway.

That being the case, what does it matter if he goes for Socket A or Socket 939 now?

True 939 will buy him a little more short term upgrade flexibility, but I am not sure he will really use it.

That extra $150+ it would cost for 939 is not justifiable unless it will also provide a current benefit over a Socket A solution.

Any thoughts?

-- David
 

Zebo

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It will destroy it. The A64 2800 beats the 3200XP.

And if your budgeting I'd get skt 754. from mwave.com.


AMD ATHLON 64 2800+ RETAILED
Free FARCRY PC GAME
CHAINTECH VNF3-250;
= $195.00

Then OC to 2400Mhz = 3600+
 

Leohart

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Hi, as far as I have seen, there are lots of report at tomshardware.com about comparing CPU performance.

http://www.tomshardware.com/cp...601/socket_939-16.html

The above link should give you quite an extensive look at how performance of CPU for different apps and games. There is no way to tell exactly how much 'better' a CPU comparing to another. One thing I know for sure, all Athlon 64 CPUs beat those of Athlon XP.

Also, buying 754-pin athlon 64 cpus might not be a good choice since it is NOT manufactured anymore and 939-pin provides much more chances to upgrade. If you don't upgrade, just bump up your system every decade (or half a decade) then that is not a problem.
 

Concillian

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Originally posted by: Leohart
Also, buying 754-pin athlon 64 cpus might not be a good choice since it is NOT manufactured anymore

Wow, that's not true is it?

They sure are selling a lot for them to not be manufactured anymore.

And for a budget system, a S754 is 90% the performance for about 1/2 the price.. Hard to beat the value in a S754 setup, especially when at this level of CPU performance, the graphics card is still the bottleneck in games.

To me the only reason to go to S939 at this point is bragging rights.
 

jeffmin

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Originally posted by: Leohart
Also, buying 754-pin athlon 64 cpus might not be a good choice since it is NOT manufactured anymore and 939-pin provides much more chances to upgrade.

I've gone from Socket 7, Slot 1, Socket 370, Socket A, and hopefully soon to Socket 754. I always bought my stuff "planning" to upgrade the processor. But that never happened.

By the time you're looking to upgrade your A64, you're gonna want to get Socket 1643 or whatever the hell these CPU manufacturers come out with. Soon everything will be SATA, PCI-X, 802.11z, TerabitE, etc. and you'll be screwed anyway.

What me jaded?
 

Mik3y

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the xp3000+ and the a64 3000+ are even compared. the xp3200+ is slower then the a64 2800+. it's not because the a64 is 64 bit CAPABLE, its because its a more powerful cpu. 64 bit has nothing to do with its performance....yet. :)
 

imported_michaelpatrick33

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It is the integrated memory controller that gives a lot of the performance boost. There are also optimizations but that memory controller is huge in the performance department.

Also the 939 chips 3000+ 3200+ and 3500+ are the same price as the 754 counterparts www.pricewatch.com so the only thing you would be paying more for would be the motherboard and I could eat that 15-20 bucks to get upgradeability, 90nm and dual channel.

The 3000+ on the 939 should overclock to 2.2 (2.5 to 2.6 for real overclockers [I don't know if you are]) with no problem giving you the equivalent of the 3500+ on stock cooling and a tiny voltage boost. This is a great potential for later on. Just buy an aftermarket heatsink 3 months from now and overclock to 2.4 mininmally (most people are reaching 2.4 to 2.5 with many also reaching near 2.6)