I was looking at this earlier, and I remember seeing this a while ago. FYI, this SKU was supposed to pop out after Genoa. From what I understand, current plans are to launch around the time that Zen 4 desktop chips launch (roadmaps haven't been leaked, but the original leak had this coming out in July/August). This may possibly refer to the 24-32c Zen 4 desktop chip which may, or may not launch, however (as opposed to 16 cores or less).
Seems ExecuFix is saying it is Zen4 based.
But from leaked manual you can see
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From Family 19H PPR
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Either this is a 96 Core, or it is a new model which was not part of the leak.
All Mac hardware is overpriced. The M1X lappies look targeted at the high-end professional set, so there you have it. Putting what is essentially a desktop chip into a laptop form factor (which is what AMD would appear to be doing with a Raphael -H product) would be the best way to compete with that, assuming too many people become interested in Apple for their hardware.It depends what the "mobile segment" is. M1pro and Max are priced way too high for attacking the market where AMD is. Not speaking abut the fact that Laptop gaming is a solo competition fo rWindows machines.
Yes, except the consoles eat much more power- so, actually, no . It is an interesting idea though - certainly console SoCs would be much closer to being pro grade workstation, if put into a laptop.Quite frankly, AMD could easily create something like the M1Max, after all they already created the Xbox and PS5 APUs, a year ago. And they did because there were customers asking for that. In PC laptop world, unfortunately, this did not happen yet. Maybe Apple will create a trend also for the WIndows laptops, who knows?
Fair point, so, time to step up AMD . Seriously, in a time of GPU shortages, getting a console like SoC into a PC, even with limited upgradability, might be able to find a large enough market among PC gamers.on 7nm without slc and much faster vram
Don't forget the node of advantage for M1X (which does not feed out of thin air, however, you can easily see that battery life went down with battery size being the largest seen in a laptop). But consoles are not optimized for power. Rembrandt will get 12 CU and 8 Zen3+ cores in 18W, on N6. So it's not too far fetched to think about a 50-60W APU on N5, with four times that graphic power (48CU), Infinity cache to help with bandwidth, and the same Zen3+ cores, with a slight bump in frequency. How does that compare to a M1Max?
I think you are too much in the marketing hype. Such an APU would have better graphics power than M1Max and probably worse CPU power, but that could be tuned, and power draw would be similar, because if you think M1Max works with 15W power, well.. you're plainly wrong. And what does even "efficiency margin 500%" mean, and what is the base, in which applications, and again you are comparing a year's old APU on a worse process node, and in an environment AMD does not fully control because hardware configuration other than the APU itself are from OEMs. This makes no sense.Badly. As stated in the Apple M1 Thread their efficiency margin is 500%. None of the things you stated will change that in a significant way.
It isn't.Also probably AMD's attempt to keep up with M1X in the mobile segment.
I doubt it needs to reconcile that. Even with the overhead a Raphael-H will already be more efficient than the direct competition. And the direct competition so far has been DTR chips of the likes of 10980HK, 11980HK and likely 12980HK and 13980HK unless Intel changes the model names.Still not sure how AMD is going to reconcile the SERDES link overhead in a mobile unit but hey, maybe they have something different in mind.
The new Apple chips are not as nearly as efficient as you are being lead to believe. All of the performance IS due to a node advantage. You can somewhat guesstimate where Zen 3 would be if it were on 5nm, but as I have stated before, it matters not. Macs are closed systems. Apple does not need to support desktop DDR4 or 20 PCIE 4 lanes. They don’t need to maintain compatibility with 20 year old instruction sets. Most of the software of the world does not run on a Mac of any variety.@leoneazzurro & @DisEnchantment
Neither am I on a hype train nor did I bring PR to this thread. I just replied to some over optimistic person believing that a Zen3+ in some new process would be enough to overcome the gap to Apple.
It still gives me headaches that people do not realize how far ahead Apple is. And it is lying there in plain sight since November 2020. Anandtech have published several articles in order to explain this. Firestorm as a ST core is as fast as the best Intel and AMD have to offer while at the same time only using 1/5 of the power. After that everything else is just a matter of scaling.
AMD and Intel need to change the very foundations of their designs in order to catch up.
Quite franlky, not. Link these data, the conditions in which these data are taken, and look also not at the ST score (easily to throw completely off by measuring different things) but at the MT score, which is more representative of the real performance of the cores.Should I maybe point that I have never ever mentioned M1Pro/Max specifically. I am talking about the Firestorm core of Apple Silicon in general. Because therefore I have hard numbers (AKA facts). Apple is 500% more efficient while 5nm brings smaller 150% - end of story, not?
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