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What will Ryzen 3000 for AM4 look like?

  • 16-core monolithic CPU (four 4-core CCXs on SoC die)

    Votes: 13 5.7%

  • 12-core monolithic CPU (three 4-core CCXs on SoC die)

    Votes: 19 8.3%

  • 8-core monolithic CPU (two 4-core CCXs on SoC die)

    Votes: 24 10.4%

  • 8-core monolithic APU (two 4-core CCXs and an iGPU on SoC die)

    Votes: 8 3.5%

  • 4-core monolithic APU (one 4-core CCX and an iGPU on SoC die)

    Votes: 12 5.2%

  • 16-core modular CPU (two 8-core CPU chiplets + IO chiplet)

    Votes: 146 63.5%

  • 8-core modular CPU (one 8-core CPU chiplet + IO chiplet)

    Votes: 47 20.4%

  • 8-core modular APU (one 8-core CPU chiplet + IO chiplet + GPU chiplet)

    Votes: 23 10.0%

  • 8-core modular APU (one 8-core CPU chiplet + IO chiplet with iGPU)

    Votes: 15 6.5%

  • Something else (specify below)

    Votes: 11 4.8%
  • Total voters
    230
Asterox

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OTG said:
Subreddit subscriber counts:
r/intel: 52,948
r/nvidia: 176,171
r/amd: 233,031

So, among tech enthusiasts on Reddit, r/AMD has more followers than Intel and Nvidia *combined*.
Obviously that isn't really representative of anything other than Reddit, but nobody claimed otherwise. Certain demographics, those demographics being people who like to argue about PC hardware on the internet.
AMD is, if nothing else, WAY more interesting than Intel or Nvidia right now, so it makes sense that enthusiasts are really into AMD.
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Generally speaking Nvidia people use https://forums.geforce.com rather than reddit I think. Intel doesn't really have die hard fans (the have been dominating the market so obviously). AMD does have rather vocal and active group. Nvidia is GPUs only so not directly comparable to those two. Kinds interesting to see what happens when Intel releases Xe... They need to get more involved and they also need people to get more involved.
 
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Abwx

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Asterox said:
Well, only one detail is very clear or significant.

Singlethread Cinebench R20

Skylake 4.2ghz, 445

Ryzen 3000 4.2ghz, 487
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R7 2700X 4.3GHz 424

12.7% better 1T score for the 3600, that s 41% more improvement than what is stated in their slide :

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OTG said:
Subreddit subscriber counts:
r/intel: 52,948
r/nvidia: 176,171
r/amd: 233,031

So, among tech enthusiasts on Reddit, r/AMD has more followers than Intel and Nvidia *combined*.
Obviously that isn't really representative of anything other than Reddit, but nobody claimed otherwise. Certain demographics, those demographics being people who like to argue about PC hardware on the internet.
AMD is, if nothing else, WAY more interesting than Intel or Nvidia right now, so it makes sense that enthusiasts are really into AMD.
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You'd have to keep in mind though, that Reddit is not a demographic group.
 
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PotatoWithEarsOnSide said:
Thought the general consensus was that AMD were sandbagging at E3.
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Seems that they have an healthy margin in respect of what is claimed, at CB they stated that the RAM bandwith numbers are somewhat weird, so we could well see a few more % in some MT tests or anything bandwith and latency dependant.

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inf64

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In 2 weeks all will be revealed. A solid clue is intel releasing performance maximizer utility which OCs already high clocked Skylake chips. AMD has a game changer and they will not stop. TR 3000 will dominate and Zen 3 will make any small lead Sony Cove core might give intel null. We as consumers will profit as prices will innevitably go down so anyone can take a pick and chose the best chip for their needs (be it intel or AMD).
 
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It's going to be a tough road ahead for intel i think. The significance of what AMD and TSMC accomplished with Zen2 and 7nm can't be overstated. They managed a new scalable chiplet architecture on a node shrink while increasing clock speeds and IPC. The conventional wisdom was clock speed regression, as is the case with intel's 10nm shrink/issues. Even for their best case scenario they never anticipated clock speed parity until after multiple generations of 10nm improvements. It's quite extraordinary.
 
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IntelUser2000

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Looks like in Geekbench, Matisse is pretty much equal to Skylake cores in perf/clock.

In games and certain applications its possible it does a bit better because of the large L2 and L3 caches.
 
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I believe that's DDR 4266 (actual MHz: 2133)

I wondered the same, but looked up a couple of other results to confirm.

But 4266 suggests a halving of the IF frequency, possibly suboptimal.
 
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So when comparing Geekbench results, ignore everything else except the Integer section, because that's what really tells about the architecture.

Plus, Geekbench has a bad practice of including memory scores when determining the final score.

Why is that bad you say? Because the performance in the applications are enough to tell us about how the memory subsystem is. So if you add a separate memory score on top of that, it sucks.
 
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So AMD will finally match or exceed contemporary iteration of Core processors in IPC since the Core 2 Duo days? It has been over 12 years. Holy dear god.
 
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That 16 core is a beast. AMD is quite a bit ahead in FP, within spitting distance in INT, and seems to have quite reasonable memory latency.

And of course the icing on the cake is amount of cores they have. That 1.85TF of good old AVX2 SGEMM is insane for 800$, i wonder what was power usage :)
 
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