- Mar 10, 2004
Z370 is 22nm according to Intel.
I hear this stuff all the time, that Intel's processes are better than TSMC/Samsung/GloFo processes with the same "nanometer" rating. But I'm not at all convinced that it is true. If it was, then you'd expect Intel's 14nm CPUs to be denser than 14nm Ryzen CPUs, and to have noticeably better performance per watt. But neither of these is true. Intel no longer publishes die sizes and transistor counts, which is a warning sign in and of itself (they used to readily do so). This comparison indicates that AMD has the edge in terms of cores by die area, at least on HEDT. Cherry-picked numbers published by Intel regarding SRAM density have little relevance if they don't translate into a real-world advantage in CPU density. As for performance per watt, Ryzen stacks up quite well to Coffee Lake, especially in multi-threaded benchmarks.But Intel 10nm and everyone elses's 7nm are roughly the same. So saying "already have 7nm out" is misleading. It makes it seem like Intel is a gen behind, when they are really just late on the same gen.
These nanometer terms are largely marketing now.
Of course they make the chipsets. That's why they change sockets so often, so they can sell a new chipset when some one wants a cpu upgrade!"H310 and several other 300 series desktop processors"... I assume they mean chipsets?
So they are only outsourcing the chipsets then?
I didn't even think they made the chipsets.
Post #74 article seems to say it's only chipsets.
But we have just received an official statement from Intel itself, which says: “In response to the stronger than expected demand environment, we are continuing to invest in Intel’s 14nm manufacturing capacity.”
That seems to make it pretty clear that it’s not going to be looking for help outside of the company and will be working its own facilities hard to make up the shortfall in its silicon stockpile.
They seem to be reading an awful lot into that one line. They're investing in Intel's 14nm manufacturing, sure... but that doesn't mean that they can't also be fabbing some chips at TSMC in the short term.Intel denies TSMC CPU outsourcing, relying on its own investment to cope with unexpected 14nm demand
Digitimes earlier said H310 production was stopped, purportedly to change it to 22nm.H310 is way more volume than z series.
For seemingly ages it was Intel ahead of the rest of the industry.does being a generation behind in process tech really matter in terms of fielding a competitive cpu/gpu?
Could be the kind of thing that they realized they needed a fab to take over H310 production completely and not just temporarily and don't have the 22 nm capacity anymore since it was reduced to make room for more 14.Digitimes earlier said H310 production was stopped, purportedly to change it to 22nm.
Yes. It's going to hurt Intel in the server room the most, though it may also hurt them in the mobile PC market.does being a generation behind in process tech really matter in terms of fielding a competitive cpu/gpu?
It won't hurt them much in mobile, at least not right away. They have solid brand recognition and will sell a ton of 'Mom Boxes" just on name. In servers? That may hurt them over time. Server space moves slowly, and doesn't change direction on a dime. But once it moves away from you, it takes a long time to head back your way. Meltdown will hasten the turn.Yes. It's going to hurt Intel in the server room the most, though it may also hurt them in the mobile PC market.
There's only so much they can do without node shrinks. They were supposed to crap out somewhere in the 3-5nm range, and instead Intel seems to have run aground at 14nm.
If 7nm is a bust like 10 nm, Intel will have no choice, just simply because they won't be able to afford any further node.Now what do you think, guys? Does Intel need to go fabless?
Or will it magically return with an awsum 7nm node that actually can compete with TSMC/Samsung 5nm?
If Intel actually throws in the towel and goes fabless, TSMC and Samsung will have even more mind-boggling amounts of power to decide the fates of many of the world's largest tech companies, pretty scary to think about, really.If 7nm is a bust like 10 nm, Intel will have no choice, just simply because they won't be able to afford any further node.
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