Specific word for vocational courses that take payment only after you get hired?

[fuzzybabybunny]

Programming Bootcamp / Education people:

Is there a specific word for those programs that take tuition payment only after you've landed a job? Or those programs that take payment in the form of a certain percentage of your salary after you get a job in your chosen field (ex. 18% of your first year salary, not to exceed XXX amount)?

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Programming Bootcamp / Education people:

Is there a specific word for those programs that take tuition payment only after you've landed a job?

Never heard of one. I have heard of colleges that offer refunds after the fact.

Or those programs that take payment in the form of a certain percentage of your salary after you get a job in your chosen field?

Ummm... indentured servitude?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Non existent?

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Never heard of one. I have heard of colleges that offer refunds after the fact.

Ummm... indentured servitude?

They usually take a certain percentage of your salary, limited up to a certain amount, and with limits on time, like your first year salary.

Non existent?

No, there's a few.

App Academy
Viking Code School
Coding House

After doing more research I guess you could call them "deferred" payment / tuition programs. Although I don't think this is an industry-standard term... not to mention "deferred" doesn't describe exactly when it is deferred until - after graduation? after you get a job? etc.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

There's no standard term because it's sketchy as hell.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Non existent?

lol yeah I'd say this

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

There's no standard term because it's sketchy as hell.

How is it more sketchy than "we take your money first", besides the fact that it's the most common way of doing things?

 

[Crusty]

Hiring somebody from one of those code academies is like hiring a commercial pilot w/ only training on a simulator.

 

[Rakehellion]

Hiring somebody from one of those code academies is like hiring a commercial pilot w/ only training on a simulator.

You can't get a job because you don't have experience. You can't get experience because you don't have a job.

 

[Crusty]

You can't get a job because you don't have experience. You can't get experience because you don't have a job.

By the time I graduated college I had several years of paid programming experience under my belt.

 

[Rakehellion]

By the time I graduated college I had several years of paid programming experience under my belt.

Hiring somebody without a college degree is like hiring a commercial pilot w/ only training on a simulator.

 

[Crusty]

Hiring somebody without a college degree is like hiring a commercial pilot w/ only training on a simulator.

Seems I struck a nerve with you.

 

[Rakehellion]

Seems I struck a nerve with you.

I say that it's irrational to refuse a hire to an entry level position based on lack of experience and your reponse is "Umadbro?" Good comeback.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Hiring somebody from one of those code academies is like hiring a commercial pilot w/ only training on a simulator.

Well, having been *in* one I can say that this isn't always the case. Any decent academy will have a student complete 4-5 live websites before they graduate, including ones built in a group environment with version control like Git/GitHub, accessing external APIs, OAUTH, AJAX stuff, using noSQL/SQL DBs, schemas, etc.

You won't be amazing after 3 months of bootcamp, but it gives you a solid foundation and people generally use the following 3-9 months to continue practicing and getting better. By that time they are certainly hireable.