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Speakers Z560 not telling the truth?
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Whatever it takes to sell. Joeschmo won't care, and neither will most people who read it here, cause quite simply we are poor (upgrading hardware all the time will do that to a man 😉). Hopefully i'll have a set of Z560s soon 😀
Unfortuantely this is a pretty sh!tty business tactic and I don't agree with it for the record. Still its a better product, though they shouldn't have to lie about it to sell it.
Unfortuantely this is a pretty sh!tty business tactic and I don't agree with it for the record. Still its a better product, though they shouldn't have to lie about it to sell it.
Frosty3799
Diamond Member
hehe i am gonna pick up a set of klipsch 4.1s in a couple weeks 😉
i should probably get a nice sound card to go with it, i am only runnin on a diamond monster mx 400 4 channel :-\
i should probably get a nice sound card to go with it, i am only runnin on a diamond monster mx 400 4 channel :-\
I really don't know anything about speaker technology, so I can't comment about the findings in the article, but every review I've read seems to say the same thing.....that the Z-560s are great speakers and the fact that they can be had for around $150 in some cases makes them too good to pass up. Personally, I could really care less if the specs have been *tweaked*. If they sound good, then that's good enough for me. I'm thinking about picking up a set soon.
From 3DSoundSurge:
The Logitech Z-560?s major strengths are the impressive subwoofer, the very good quality on the satellites, the good upper bass extension of the satellites, the amplified headphone output, the very good overall dynamic range of the system and the relatively low price. Even without factoring in the changes to the final retail unit the performance of the Z-560 is amazing.
When it comes to music performance it?s very good although you can find both less expensive (AMR-150) and more expensive systems (MM2000, and Crossfire) that are clearly more even in the frequency response. The ProMedia 4.1 also appears to be slightly more even, but not quite as clean, particularly at higher volumes. This is an area that the tweaked system equalization on the retail Z-560 should improve the performance and even as is the listening experience is very enjoyable. In fact, if you want to belt out your bass then it?s hard to imagine anyone complaining about what the Z-560 delivers, but for those looking for a bit less bass it will, just as with the midrange, depend on the extent of the changes to the retail unit.
Shifting to games and movies, I can state with confidence that I have never heard a better 4.1 system for those uses at this price point and even going well beyond (ProMedia 4.1, Crossfire, MM2000) the Z-560 is competitive!
Overall the Z-560 is an outstanding product, one of those rare beasts that leaves you scratching your head asking again and again "how do they sell this system for just $200?" Perhaps when we try to delve into more details of the system for our full review we will come across the answer to that question but one thing that won?t change is my very positive impression of the Z-560.
From 3DSoundSurge:
The Logitech Z-560?s major strengths are the impressive subwoofer, the very good quality on the satellites, the good upper bass extension of the satellites, the amplified headphone output, the very good overall dynamic range of the system and the relatively low price. Even without factoring in the changes to the final retail unit the performance of the Z-560 is amazing.
When it comes to music performance it?s very good although you can find both less expensive (AMR-150) and more expensive systems (MM2000, and Crossfire) that are clearly more even in the frequency response. The ProMedia 4.1 also appears to be slightly more even, but not quite as clean, particularly at higher volumes. This is an area that the tweaked system equalization on the retail Z-560 should improve the performance and even as is the listening experience is very enjoyable. In fact, if you want to belt out your bass then it?s hard to imagine anyone complaining about what the Z-560 delivers, but for those looking for a bit less bass it will, just as with the midrange, depend on the extent of the changes to the retail unit.
Shifting to games and movies, I can state with confidence that I have never heard a better 4.1 system for those uses at this price point and even going well beyond (ProMedia 4.1, Crossfire, MM2000) the Z-560 is competitive!
Overall the Z-560 is an outstanding product, one of those rare beasts that leaves you scratching your head asking again and again "how do they sell this system for just $200?" Perhaps when we try to delve into more details of the system for our full review we will come across the answer to that question but one thing that won?t change is my very positive impression of the Z-560.
JImmyK
Golden Member
hmm it helps to actually type something before posting...
anyhoo, that was a great read, I really enjoyed it but I wish they had included a solid breakdown of the klips as well. I got my z560's for a cool 110 dollars shipped and its got to be the most significant upgrade Iv ever done for my computer, including video card (by significant I mean the difference from the prior speakers I had, which were soundworks cambridge FPS 2000).
I got 3 really close friends that all have klips 4.1 and the 2 Iv talked to both liked my 560's just as much if not more then their klips, and when they found out I paid less then half what they paid they REALLY liked them.
Hmm its 2 am and im not sure why I started typing this reply I could have sworn I had some kind of point to make 🙂 well if I remmber it Ill post again.
anyhoo, that was a great read, I really enjoyed it but I wish they had included a solid breakdown of the klips as well. I got my z560's for a cool 110 dollars shipped and its got to be the most significant upgrade Iv ever done for my computer, including video card (by significant I mean the difference from the prior speakers I had, which were soundworks cambridge FPS 2000).
I got 3 really close friends that all have klips 4.1 and the 2 Iv talked to both liked my 560's just as much if not more then their klips, and when they found out I paid less then half what they paid they REALLY liked them.
Hmm its 2 am and im not sure why I started typing this reply I could have sworn I had some kind of point to make 🙂 well if I remmber it Ill post again.
Daovonnaex
Golden Member
<< hehe i am gonna pick up a set of klipsch 4.1s in a couple weeks 😉
i should probably get a nice sound card to go with it, i am only runnin on a diamond monster mx 400 4 channel :-\ >>
That's based on the Vortex 2--still one of the best sounding sound cards out there. Sounds better than the Audigy, that's for sure.
MasterHoss
Platinum Member
Just read the article...IT'S VERY WRONG at different points.
Anyhow--I heard the Logitechs for a few hours at my friend's house a few days ago. They sound very awesome--I was surprised. Comparing them to my Klipsch ProMedia 4.1s, the Logitech had more apparent bass...low and mid bass that is. My Klipsch definately have better highs--high high and mid high.
BUT the Klipsch seems more capable of producing the lower end frequencies. Of course this is just my opinion along with my friends but we both agreed that the Logitech--although damn loud on't have the ability to match the Klipsch subwoofer in the extremely low frequencies. And going back to the article--although the Klipsch are also only THX multimedia certified, 3dsoundsurge claims that the the Klipsch sub does hit down to 20Hz. 3dsoundsurge also says that they believe the Logitechs are very nice speakers--being as good or better than the Klipsch speakers.
And who really cares about 400W RMS?? My very first set of Klipsch ProMedia v.2-400s were marketed as "400W RMS" plain and simple on the damn box. People are now claiming that all previous and current ProMedia "4.1" speaker systems are 400W MAX. Probably the same thing that Logitech is doing with their marketing. The only important point is that both systems get damn loud. In fact too damn lound for you to listen to anything for more than a few minutes at max volume.
Having said that, the Logitech seems to not distort anything at max volume where as the Klipsch sub seems to let up at max volume (probably has something to do with it's limiting circuitry???). Both speakers get very loud--loud enough to make anyone happy. Both are very nice all around. Both will make their owners happy.
Anyhow--I heard the Logitechs for a few hours at my friend's house a few days ago. They sound very awesome--I was surprised. Comparing them to my Klipsch ProMedia 4.1s, the Logitech had more apparent bass...low and mid bass that is. My Klipsch definately have better highs--high high and mid high.
BUT the Klipsch seems more capable of producing the lower end frequencies. Of course this is just my opinion along with my friends but we both agreed that the Logitech--although damn loud on't have the ability to match the Klipsch subwoofer in the extremely low frequencies. And going back to the article--although the Klipsch are also only THX multimedia certified, 3dsoundsurge claims that the the Klipsch sub does hit down to 20Hz. 3dsoundsurge also says that they believe the Logitechs are very nice speakers--being as good or better than the Klipsch speakers.
And who really cares about 400W RMS?? My very first set of Klipsch ProMedia v.2-400s were marketed as "400W RMS" plain and simple on the damn box. People are now claiming that all previous and current ProMedia "4.1" speaker systems are 400W MAX. Probably the same thing that Logitech is doing with their marketing. The only important point is that both systems get damn loud. In fact too damn lound for you to listen to anything for more than a few minutes at max volume.
Having said that, the Logitech seems to not distort anything at max volume where as the Klipsch sub seems to let up at max volume (probably has something to do with it's limiting circuitry???). Both speakers get very loud--loud enough to make anyone happy. Both are very nice all around. Both will make their owners happy.
MasterHoss
Platinum Member
<< The PM 5.1s have better bass though. >>
Well I should hope so--the drivers are 8" x 2 !!!!!!!! 😀 Yeah, I thought the Logitechs were going to be crap--even afer the I read the initial reviews but I'm pretty sure that the Klipsch sub is able to hit lower and the Logitech is able to hit harder.
Daovonnaex
Golden Member
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<< That's based on the Vortex 2 >>
Diamond MX400 uses ESS Canyon chipset >>
Blast! I was wrong! Now I'll have to committ suicide again.
Daovonnaex
Golden Member
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<< I am not criticizing these speakers, just hate lies. >>
same here, I do not regret my purchase at all, especially at $114, but how can they get away with lying like that? >>
Because consumers are stupid.
grifterspawn
Golden Member
Yeah, I have to admit it was a bit disappointing, but I look at this way. I loved the speakers when I got them, and still do, so why should that opinion suddenly change, they are still IMO the best damn speakers for such a low price, I only wish they were DIGITAL!
I currently have the Klipsch 5.1, 4.1 and the Logitech for testing and I must say the Logitech are very disappointing. The bass in incredibly flabby and one notey. That is if you're listening to fast eighth notes played on a bass guitar it sounds like fourths. They are also VERY muffled compared to the Klipsch. All in all I was extremely disappointed in them given all the advance press. Then again most computer reviewers are FAR removed from being audiophiles.
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