Speaker angle... For my desk

alfa147x

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My monitors hang over the sides of the desk by a few inches. I have a pair of Polk Audio TSi300's. So should I just have the speakers sitting flush against the wall? Or would it be better to "point" them towards me?

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DirkGently1

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How big are the speaker? Could they be put on stands either side of the desk, or perhaps on a shelf screwed to the wall above the monitors?
 

Howard

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Toe them in. The optimum angle may be anywhere from 0 +/- 15 degrees where 0 degrees would be aimed right at you.

Also, they need to be as far away from the wall as possible.

EDIT: Take my advice with a grain of salt.
 
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queequeg99

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Also, they need to be as far away from the wall as possible.

To expound on this comment, there are two reasons why you might want to keep speakers far away from a wall ("far" meaning at least 12 inches). First, some speakers have open ports on the back that are an integral aspect of the speaker's bass performance. If you put such speakers really close to a wall, bass performance can be audibly impacted. From what I can tell from pictures online, these speakers do not have rear ports. Second, putting speakers that product decent bass near walls can create undesired resonances. On the other hand, sometimes putting them close to walls can create desired resonances. This is one reason a lot of people put subwoofers in corners. This second issue really depends on the speaker, your room, what you listen to, etc. So, if you like what you hear, I wouldn't lose sleep because you cannot keep the speakers over a foot from the wall.
 

alfa147x

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Toe them in. The optimum angle may be anywhere from 0 +/- 15 degrees where 0 degrees would be aimed right at you.

Also, they need to be as far away from the wall as possible.

EDIT: Take my advice with a grain of salt.

Sounds good. I assume I'll just keep them at the best sounding position possible. But that's a start

To expound on this comment, there are two reasons why you might want to keep speakers far away from a wall ("far" meaning at least 12 inches). First, some speakers have open ports on the back that are an integral aspect of the speaker's bass performance. If you put such speakers really close to a wall, bass performance can be audibly impacted. From what I can tell from pictures online, these speakers do not have rear ports. Second, putting speakers that product decent bass near walls can create undesired resonances. On the other hand, sometimes putting them close to walls can create desired resonances. This is one reason a lot of people put subwoofers in corners. This second issue really depends on the speaker, your room, what you listen to, etc. So, if you like what you hear, I wouldn't lose sleep because you cannot keep the speakers over a foot from the wall.

Ah okay. These aren't ported AFAIK
 

Howard

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To expound on this comment, there are two reasons why you might want to keep speakers far away from a wall ("far" meaning at least 12 inches). First, some speakers have open ports on the back that are an integral aspect of the speaker's bass performance. If you put such speakers really close to a wall, bass performance can be audibly impacted. From what I can tell from pictures online, these speakers do not have rear ports. Second, putting speakers that product decent bass near walls can create undesired resonances. On the other hand, sometimes putting them close to walls can create desired resonances. This is one reason a lot of people put subwoofers in corners. This second issue really depends on the speaker, your room, what you listen to, etc. So, if you like what you hear, I wouldn't lose sleep because you cannot keep the speakers over a foot from the wall.
1: Ports can still work even when very close to boundaries. The output from a port is not much different from that of a driver, if you really think about it, and down-firing subs work quite well.

2: Sort of. Corner placement increases the sensitivity of the sub due to reduced excitation volume (full-space -> half-space -> quarter-space -> eighth-space). This isn't really beneficial for most full-range speakers.
 

Howard

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Sounds good. I assume I'll just keep them at the best sounding position possible. But that's a start
Don't lose too much sleep over it. A nearfield setup is hard to get sounding great. Perhaps JSt0rm can chime in.
 

JSt0rm

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A nearfield set up is meant for 1 listener. The general idea is that you have the speakers close enough that the room has a minimal effect on the sound. The best set up is a equal distant triangle

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You want the tweeters to be pointed at your ears not your nose (or cheeks as in the picture).

This is for nearfields. Normal consumer speakers are made to have a wider listening position so this formula wont work with them. I encourage you to experiment with placement and see what feel best for you @ you main listening position with your favorite material.
 

JSt0rm

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The main issue I see with the space is your desk is right up against the wall. If you had enough space to pull your desk away from the wall you could place the speakers in front of you. As it stands now I feel your stereo image may be too wide.

Look at this diagram if you are trying to achieve the best sounding space.

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JSt0rm

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Also when you are experimenting with speaker placement you can move the speakers along that line that says vary speakers along axis. By moving them equally along that line you will find the best placement for your space. Moving them even 3" should have an effect.

http://www.realtraps.com/art_room-setup.htm

Read that link lots of good info there. I own 3 of his real traps and they are amazing. If you have some money to burn I would recommend getting a few of them.
 
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alfa147x

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Thanks guys.

Just set them. Up and WOW I love how much better these are compared to my shitty 2.1 logitech speakers. I don't really want to put money into traps I move way too much.
Love this set up :D

Well with the positioning I'm still trying find the sweet spot. But It'll take some trial and error.

Thanks again!
 

sdifox

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give them as much space in the back and side as your configuration allows.
 

alfa147x

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I currently have a foot to the wall behind them. And the left speaker has about 3 feet to the door / wall on it's left
 

sdifox

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I currently have a foot to the wall behind them. And the left speaker has about 3 feet to the door / wall on it's left

I guess that is as good as your space will allow. I had 1 m to be back and 1m to the side.
 
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alfa147x

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The desk is only 2 feet deep. Don't have much room to move the desk away from the wall since it's my office / bedroom :\