Sparked by Ivy league GPA thread: Weight GPA has on future employment?

[BigPoppa]

Every school is completely different in how stringent their grading schemes are. Do employers differentiate between the schools applicants have attended?

A 2.5 at Georgia Tech is akin to a 3.5 at Montana State University. And with the ivy league schools handing out 4.0's, how does someone going to a very tough state school even try to overcome that?

 

[Martin]

I don't think they care once you've had some experience, hence why I am not worried about getting Bs.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

You don't overcome it. Someone who goes to an insanely difficult Ivy school, grade inflation or no, is going to get the job, because he or she learned more.

 

[BigPoppa]

So the kids going to insanely difficult state schools (UC-B, GT, etc) don't deserve the job over the ivy's simply because edit: (the) state schools don't over inflate their grades?

 

[UncleWai]

Something I learned after I get my 2.5 in geog100. Life's not fair, deal with it.

 

[kalster]

frankly i am not sure SCHOOL matters that much

if you are a Ordinary student at an IVY ( i know its hard to a guy with average intelligence to get into an IVY, but lets assume) and you are competing against a Brilliant guy from a Decent School for a particular job

i am not sure its a taken you will get the job

same with GPA (inflated or not)
these are important but i think employers want other things (like are you a team player, are you a Self Learner) , they might Assume that being from an IVY league school you are intelligent but if they dont see that in the interview/hiring process i dont think they will hire you


so bottom line is, School and GPA do matter but they are not EVERYTHING

 

[touchmyichi]

I agree w/ kalster, at Ivy Leauge schools kids are much smarter. They are taking the same classes, but these schools are composed of valevictorians from all over the nation. So naturally they all get the grades. Meanwhile, state schools normally have a lower caliber of students.

 

[cchen]

Originally posted by: touchmyichi
I agree w/ kalster, at Ivy Leauge schools kids are much smarter. They are taking the same classes, but these schools are composed of valevictorians from all over the nation. So naturally they all get the grades. Meanwhile, state schools normally have a lower caliber of students.

yes, similar classes, but higher caliber professors with relevant research experience and smarter peers = better education

and no, the ivys are not handing out 4.0's. only the TOP TOP TOP TOP students will graduate with 4.0's, if any.

 

[glenn1]

Weight GPA has on future employment?

Zero in my experience. Most employers wouldn't take your word for it even if you put in on your resume (which is cheesy to begin with, IMHO) and would care even less. If you're a smart kid with good grades, it'll show in other items on your resume. You can BS all you want about having a 4.0 GPA, but you can't fake things like a Rhodes Scholarship or a published paper.

 

[apac]

Originally posted by: BigPoppa
So the kids going to insanely difficult state schools (UC-B, GT, etc) don't deserve the job over the ivy's simply because they state schools don't over inflate their grades?

UC-B = Univ. Co. @ Boulder? Just finished my first semester there and it doesn't seem that difficult.

 

[BigPoppa]

UC-B = Berkeley.

Ivy grades thread

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: apac

Originally posted by: BigPoppa So the kids going to insanely difficult state schools (UC-B, GT, etc) don't deserve the job over the ivy's simply because they state schools don't over inflate their grades?

UC-B = Univ. Co. @ Boulder? Just finished my first semester there and it doesn't seem that difficult.

hehe no
Cal- Berkeley

As far as Georgia Tech, its got a lot of bad rep lately coz of the whole cheating assignment thing ( i follow soc.college a lot and there is a lot of bad blood about georgia tech on there atleast)

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: apac

Originally posted by: BigPoppa
So the kids going to insanely difficult state schools (UC-B, GT, etc) don't deserve the job over the ivy's simply because they state schools don't over inflate their grades?

UC-B = Univ. Co. @ Boulder? Just finished my first semester there and it doesn't seem that difficult.

Yeah, I graduated from there and it wasn't hard at all...

As for your question, grades don't matter so much...if you're going for some big name HP or Intel it probably does, but most everyone ends up getting a job...

 

[DigDug]

I graduated from at top liberal arts school, and the place was a joke. They allowed everything to be handed in late, teachers bent over backwards to give you good grades, and if someone somehow did REALLY badly, they'd ask you to leave for a semester, but then you could always return.

Trust me, like everywhere else in this world, the "inner circle" is simply a group that has been succesful in establishing a mystique of exclusivity. They do that by making it difficult to ENTER. Once you are in, its smooth sailing. That's all there is to it.

 

[DigDug]

frankly i am not sure SCHOOL matters that much

How wrong you are. School matters a HELL of a lot. One of my brother's interviewer's flat out said to my brother months after getting the job, that his resume caught the employer's eye because he went to UPenn - the alma mater of the employer and a few of the other honchos in charge.

My own experiences clearly show that schoo matters. During law firm interviews, firms often ask for undergraduate transcipts. One employer, during my interview, realized that he wasn't given my form - I immediately offered him a copy I had in hand (preparation is always the best!) and he simply waived it off, saying "you are from [college], there's no need". I was shocked. And the funny thing is that my grades weren't that great - even with all the inflation, I had about a 3.2 - the equivalent of 1.4 at your local state university. 🙂

I was given an offer.

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: BlipBlop

frankly i am not sure SCHOOL matters that much

How wrong you are. School matters a HELL of a lot. One of my brother's interviewer's flat out said to my brother months after getting the job, that his resume caught the employer's eye because he went to UPenn - the alma mater of the employer and a few of the other honchos in charge.

My own experiences clearly show that schoo matters. During law firm interviews, firms often ask for undergraduate transcipts. One employer, during my interview, realized that he wasn't given my form - I immediately offered him a copy I had in hand (preparation is always the best!) and he simply waived it off, saying "you are from [college], there's no need". I was shocked. And the funny thing is that my grades weren't that great - even with all the inflation, I had about a 3.2 - the equivalent of 1.4 at your local state university. 🙂

I was given an offer.

Going to school matters...GPA not so much. The funny thing is you have all these people working dead end jobs and they work hard doing it like at a grocery store or working retail. Then you're in school and the only reason why you get an internship is cause you're in school..you're not qualified at all, you know that anything you're doing at work you could search for on the internet and figure out how to do. The only reason why you're getting paid so much is just because of your major and that you went to school...

Even if you do have the skills to do a job you won't ever get hired if you don't have a degree...even if you're not qualified and you have a degree you get a job...that's how it works

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: BlipBlop

frankly i am not sure SCHOOL matters that much

How wrong you are. School matters a HELL of a lot. One of my brother's interviewer's flat out said to my brother months after getting the job, that his resume caught the employer's eye because he went to UPenn - the alma mater of the employer and a few of the other honchos in charge. My own experiences clearly show that schoo matters. During my law school interviews, firms often ask for undergraduate transcipts. One employer, during my interview, realized that he wasn't given my form - I immediately offered him a copy I had in hand (preparation is always the best!) and he simply waived it off, saying "you are from [college], there's no need". I was shocked.

well i am talking from an Engineering/Computer Science perspective
as i said
School is Important but if you lack some core skills (not just technical) then it doesnt matter what school you went to


also school doesnt matter argument applies to say UPENN v/s Georgia tech, or Cornell v/s UCLA


i am not saying if yuo go to Alabama you have the same chance at getting job as someone who went to Cal-berkely

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: BlipBlop

frankly i am not sure SCHOOL matters that much

How wrong you are. School matters a HELL of a lot. One of my brother's interviewer's flat out said to my brother months after getting the job, that his resume caught the employer's eye because he went to UPenn - the alma mater of the employer and a few of the other honchos in charge. My own experiences clearly show that schoo matters. During law firm interviews, firms often ask for undergraduate transcipts. One employer, during my interview, realized that he wasn't given my form - I immediately offered him a copy I had in hand (preparation is always the best!) and he simply waived it off, saying "you are from [college], there's no need". I was shocked. And the funny thing is that my grades weren't that great - even with all the inflation, I had about a 3.2 - the equivalent of 1.4 at your local state university. 🙂 I was given an offer.

Going to school matters...GPA not so much. The funny thing is you have all these people working dead end jobs and they work hard doing it like at a grocery store or working retail. Then you're in school and the only reason why you get an internship is cause you're in school..you're not qualified at all, you know that anything you're doing at work you could search for on the internet and figure out how to do. The only reason why you're getting paid so much is just because of your major and that you went to school... Even if you do have the skills to do a job you won't ever get hired if you don't have a degree...even if you're not qualified and you have a degree you get a job...that's how it works

i am not talking about going to school v/s not going, i am talking about what ranked/tier school you go to

 

[Ameesh]

All i know is that i went to a state school and i have gotten jobs over ivy league canidates many times over. in fact i know many people who went stanford, mit , and harvard who ask me to get them to get a job. as long as you got a good education at a good school dont worry too much.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: BlipBlop

frankly i am not sure SCHOOL matters that much

How wrong you are. School matters a HELL of a lot. One of my brother's interviewer's flat out said to my brother months after getting the job, that his resume caught the employer's eye because he went to UPenn - the alma mater of the employer and a few of the other honchos in charge. My own experiences clearly show that schoo matters. During my law school interviews, firms often ask for undergraduate transcipts. One employer, during my interview, realized that he wasn't given my form - I immediately offered him a copy I had in hand (preparation is always the best!) and he simply waived it off, saying "you are from [college], there's no need". I was shocked.

well i am talking from an Engineering/Computer Science perspective
as i said
School is Important but if you lack some core skills (not just technical) then it doesnt matter what school you went to


also school doesnt matter argument applies to say UPENN v/s Georgia tech, or Cornell v/s UCLA


i am not saying if yuo go to Alabama you have the same chance at getting job as someone who went to Cal-berkely

University of Alabama is actually a very good school and infinitely cheaper than UCB.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: BlipBlop

frankly i am not sure SCHOOL matters that much

How wrong you are. School matters a HELL of a lot. One of my brother's interviewer's flat out said to my brother months after getting the job, that his resume caught the employer's eye because he went to UPenn - the alma mater of the employer and a few of the other honchos in charge. My own experiences clearly show that schoo matters. During my law school interviews, firms often ask for undergraduate transcipts. One employer, during my interview, realized that he wasn't given my form - I immediately offered him a copy I had in hand (preparation is always the best!) and he simply waived it off, saying "you are from [college], there's no need". I was shocked.

well i am talking from an Engineering/Computer Science perspective as i said School is Important but if you lack some core skills (not just technical) then it doesnt matter what school you went to also school doesnt matter argument applies to say UPENN v/s Georgia tech, or Cornell v/s UCLA i am not saying if yuo go to Alabama you have the same chance at getting job as someone who went to Cal-berkely

University of Alabama is actually a very good school and infinitely cheaper than UCB.

ok, make that Auburn 😛

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: BlipBlop

frankly i am not sure SCHOOL matters that much

How wrong you are. School matters a HELL of a lot. One of my brother's interviewer's flat out said to my brother months after getting the job, that his resume caught the employer's eye because he went to UPenn - the alma mater of the employer and a few of the other honchos in charge. My own experiences clearly show that schoo matters. During my law school interviews, firms often ask for undergraduate transcipts. One employer, during my interview, realized that he wasn't given my form - I immediately offered him a copy I had in hand (preparation is always the best!) and he simply waived it off, saying "you are from [college], there's no need". I was shocked.

well i am talking from an Engineering/Computer Science perspective as i said School is Important but if you lack some core skills (not just technical) then it doesnt matter what school you went to also school doesnt matter argument applies to say UPENN v/s Georgia tech, or Cornell v/s UCLA i am not saying if yuo go to Alabama you have the same chance at getting job as someone who went to Cal-berkely

University of Alabama is actually a very good school and infinitely cheaper than UCB.

ok, make that Auburn 😛

Auburn is ranked higher than the University of Alabama...

 

[DigDug]

Going to school matters...GPA not so much. The funny thing is you have all these people working dead end jobs and they work hard doing it like at a grocery store or working retail. Then you're in school and the only reason why you get an internship is cause you're in school..you're not qualified at all, you know that anything you're doing at work you could search for on the internet and figure out how to do. The only reason why you're getting paid so much is just because of your major and that you went to school...

Damn right. My buddy is STARTING at 100k right out of law school - and he admits to not even knowing what the law is really about. It's CRAZY.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: BlipBlop

frankly i am not sure SCHOOL matters that much

How wrong you are. School matters a HELL of a lot. One of my brother's interviewer's flat out said to my brother months after getting the job, that his resume caught the employer's eye because he went to UPenn - the alma mater of the employer and a few of the other honchos in charge. My own experiences clearly show that schoo matters. During my law school interviews, firms often ask for undergraduate transcipts. One employer, during my interview, realized that he wasn't given my form - I immediately offered him a copy I had in hand (preparation is always the best!) and he simply waived it off, saying "you are from [college], there's no need". I was shocked.

well i am talking from an Engineering/Computer Science perspective as i said School is Important but if you lack some core skills (not just technical) then it doesnt matter what school you went to also school doesnt matter argument applies to say UPENN v/s Georgia tech, or Cornell v/s UCLA i am not saying if yuo go to Alabama you have the same chance at getting job as someone who went to Cal-berkely

University of Alabama is actually a very good school and infinitely cheaper than UCB.

ok, make that Auburn 😛

Auburn is ranked higher than the University of Alabama...

😀
j/k man

but i still maintain Invidual matters way moer than Quality of School

1 of the smartest CS/Algorithm person i know who works in Intel went to Kentucky, hez WAY faster/brighter than ppl who went to ASU/ U of A (both very good in CS) who are in his group

go figure

whichever school you end up in if you do well, you have a very good chance at getting a good job

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
All i know is that i went to a state school and i have gotten jobs over ivy league canidates many times over. in fact i know many people who went stanford, mit , and harvard who ask me to get them to get a job. as long as you got a good education at a good school dont worry too much.

Exactly.

Going to a good school is so worthless in my opinion. I went to a state school, got decent grades, friend got the same grades at a worse school and he gets a job at Raytheon over me...because he was graduating in December and they hired him, got him his clearance and he didn't have to start till he graduated...