space X falcon 1 launch

herm0016

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launch was tonight the payload was 2 nanosats and a dod experimental sat. I was watching it on there website. at about t+ 2:30 the feed cut and they said there has been an "anomaly", rocket speak for " KABOOM"

this was their second attempt tonight too.

www.spacex.com
 

sao123

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Originally posted by: herm0016
launch was tonight the payload was 2 nanosats and a dod experimental sat. I was watching it on there website. at about t+ 2:30 the feed cut and they said there has been an "anomaly", rocket speak for " KABOOM"

this was their second attempt tonight too.

www.spacex.com

Unfortunately, a problem occurred with stage separation, causing the stages to be held together. This is under investigation and I will send out a note as soon as we understand exactly what happened.
 

sao123

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From space.com

A Falcon 1 rocket failed to reach orbit late Saturday, marking the third unsuccessful attempt for private spaceflight-firm SpaceX.

Two rocket stages failed to separate about two minutes and 20 seconds into launch from the U.S. Army's Reagan Test Site on Omelek Island in the Kwajalein Atoll, about 2,500 miles southwest of Hawaii in the central Pacific Ocean.

"It was obviously a big disappointment not to reach orbit on this Flight 3 of the Falcon 1," said Elon Musk, SpaceX chairman and CEO, in a short statement read to reporters by Diane Murphy, SpaceX vice president of marketing and communications. The problem is still under investigation by SpaceX.

The rocket lifted off at 11:34 p.m. EDT after an earlier aborted attempt, and seemed to make headway until the video transmission abruptly terminated.

The Falcon 1 was carrying a small satellite called Trailblazer for the Pentagon's Operationally Responsive Space Office. The microsatellite represented a rush order for Poway, Calif.-based SpaceDev.

Two small NASA satellites were also part of the lost payload, including an ultra-thin solar sail called NanoSail-D and a micro laboratory called PRESat.

SpaceX's Falcon 1 rocket stands about 68 feet (21 meters) tall and carries a reusable first stage to launch payloads of up to 1,256 pounds (570 kilograms) into low-Earth orbit. The two-stage booster weighs 60,000 pounds (27,200 kilograms) at liftoff. Its Merlin 1 rocket generates 77,000 pounds of thrust.

The incident comes on the heels of two previous Falcon 1 launches that faltered short of reaching orbit. The first attempt in March 2006 ended with a fuel line leak and fire due to a corroded nut. The second attempt in March 2007 saw the Falcon 1 get almost 180 miles (289 km) above Earth and near orbital velocity, before the rocket's second stage engine shut down because of fuel slosh and roll control issues.

The third attempt was originally slated as a late June liftoff from the U.S. Army's Reagan Test Site in the central Pacific Ocean. However, a tiny weld defect in an engine nozzle led SpaceX to delay the launch attempt until today.

Despite the setbacks, Musk vowed in his statement ? which he also read to SpaceX employees ? that SpaceX would press forward with plans for Falcon 1's fourth flight. He added that SpaceX recently received a major investment to continue developing heavy-lifter Falcon 9 and the Dragon spacecraft that might one day ferry cargo or crews to the International Space Station.

"For my part, I will never give up and I mean never," Musk said.

This story was updated at 1:40 a.m. EDT on August 3.


I wonder... when they fail to reach orbit, carrying actual live payloads like this... do they reimburse the customers? interesting...
 

herm0016

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im not sure if they do or not, probably will not for government customers, but i would think that commercial customers would be. Seems like they should get a few more launches of falcon 1 right before getting too deep into falcon 9 and dragon.
 

sao123

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Originally posted by: herm0016
im not sure if they do or not, probably will not for government customers, but i would think that commercial customers would be. Seems like they should get a few more launches of falcon 1 right before getting too deep into falcon 9 and dragon.

this was the flight carrying Scotty's remains to space!!!
How depressing...
 

AeroEngy

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Originally posted by: sao123
I wonder... when they fail to reach orbit, carrying actual live payloads like this... do they reimburse the customers? interesting...

Generally the customer gets launch insurance in the event the payload is lost. Launch insurance can be very expensive. Especially on expensive satellites or risky missions. ...... like the unproven Falcon-1. However, I think all of this mission's payloads were pretty low cost (by low cost I mean low cost in Space Industry terms i.e. not 100s of millions)

Originally posted by: herm0016
im not sure if they do or not, probably will not for government customers, but i would think that commercial customers would be. Seems like they should get a few more launches of falcon 1 right before getting too deep into falcon 9 and dragon.

Similarly, I was concerned when they announced after the previous failure that would be no more test flights and that this mission (flight 3) would have real payloads. I have serious doubts about Falcon-9 (much bigger, complex, and more expensive) if they can't get a Falcon-1 to orbit.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: sao123
Originally posted by: herm0016
im not sure if they do or not, probably will not for government customers, but i would think that commercial customers would be. Seems like they should get a few more launches of falcon 1 right before getting too deep into falcon 9 and dragon.

this was the flight carrying Scotty's remains to space!!!
How depressing...

The sad thing is this is the second time it's happened, except now his ashes are gone for good :(

http://www.engadget.com/2007/0...s-after-failed-spacef/

http://www.engadget.com/2008/0...nd-ashes-in-a-demonst/
 

AeroEngy

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It seems like they were using a delay on their live broadcast of the launch. The video was cut about 10 seconds before Stage 1 Separation when absolutely nothing was happening. Also their live blog was ahead of the count on the video feed. So it looks like whoever was watching the real live video feed hit the dump button when the anomaly happened. So we didn't get to see the rocket explode or the Stage 1 motor half separate or whatever happened.

It isn't that much of a surprise really from a PR standpoint. They probably didn't want another video on the net of their rocket going out of control.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: sao123
Originally posted by: herm0016
im not sure if they do or not, probably will not for government customers, but i would think that commercial customers would be. Seems like they should get a few more launches of falcon 1 right before getting too deep into falcon 9 and dragon.

this was the flight carrying Scotty's remains to space!!!
How depressing...

The sad thing is this is the second time it's happened, except now his ashes are gone for good :(

http://www.engadget.com/2007/0...s-after-failed-spacef/

http://www.engadget.com/2008/0...nd-ashes-in-a-demonst/

Once they finally make it to space, they can just beam him up.
 

TheVrolok

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: sao123
Originally posted by: herm0016
im not sure if they do or not, probably will not for government customers, but i would think that commercial customers would be. Seems like they should get a few more launches of falcon 1 right before getting too deep into falcon 9 and dragon.

this was the flight carrying Scotty's remains to space!!!
How depressing...

The sad thing is this is the second time it's happened, except now his ashes are gone for good :(

http://www.engadget.com/2007/0...s-after-failed-spacef/

http://www.engadget.com/2008/0...nd-ashes-in-a-demonst/

Once they finally make it to space, they can just beam him up.

:D