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SOYO TISU MB for Tualatin 1.2 Ghz O/C'ing

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Continued from my Tualatin/PowerLeap-BX thread

Well, I installed my MB yesterday. HOWEVER it REFUSES to recognize my 1.2Ghz Tualatin Celeron. It "sees" it as a PIII 350e (100FSB x 3.5). I have cleared the CMOS several times and switched to "manual" 12 x 100FSB but it refuses to accept it.

I know everything else is installed right because I put in my old PIII600e and Win 98SE installed flawlessly with it.

What gives? I know it's been 4 years since my last system . . . what am I missing?

EDIT: Working. 🙂

EDIT: Well, I didn't bring it back . . . so I dropped my "final update" promise. Sandra benchmark comparisons included.
 
it doesn't matter what the bios sees the chip as..
go into windows and download wcpuid and it will tell u the chip and speed.
 
Originally posted by: Kaiser__Sose
it doesn't matter what the bios sees the chip as..
go into windows and download wcpuid and it will tell u the chip and speed.
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Sure it does - this is no outdated BX board (BTW, it O/c's my 600e really well - 800Mhz @ default voltage better than my BX board). The SOYO website says NO support for the Tually Celeron.

I am starting to feel really really stupid now.

I thought I had done my research. The SOYO MB Box says: "Support FC-PGA Pentium III, Celeron and FC-PGA2 Tualatin". I ASSUMED the Tualatin Celeron would also be supported.


From the INCA-City website:
PROCESSOR Support Intel FC-PGA 2 Tualatin Processor Support Intel FC-PGA Pentium&trade III and Celeron&trade Processors
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Nothing (but the damn Soyo website) says the Tualatin Celeron is NOT supported. I feel led along the "garden path". I have also PM'd Vadatajs to see how he got his working. I also e-mailed SOYO support.


If it doesn't work, I will send it back - however, I lose my original Inca-City $11 shipping costs, 15% restocking - $6 and have to pay return shipping. 🙁



Does anyone really KNOW anything about this M(%^*#ing)B?
 
My IWill DVD266RU-N bios reports a different speed for my FC-PGA2 PIII-s 1.266 however WCPUID reports the correct speed. Even the newer boards are some times incorrect. 😉

Its just a minor inconsistency for me and doesn?t cause any problems.
 
You guys are right!!!!

Me - 😱

I d/led Intel's Frequency ID Utility and it correctly reports my CPU at default at 1.2 Ghz.

Best of all, I O/C'd it - looks like 126FSB is the highest I can reach with a 'reasonable' overvoltage - 1.6v (actually the Soyo undervolts - it's more like 1.575v) - 1.51Ghz.

Looks like I can put off upgrading a little longer. 🙂

EDIT: A 25% performance increase for less than $50 is a good deal. Thumbs up on the (cheapo) Soyo MB.
 
Originally posted by: Kaiser__Sose
glad to see u're enjoyin the new tualatin..
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Thank-you . . . and to everyone else for putting up with my recent threads. I realized this is "old technology" but still very serviceable.

I had planned to upgrade (like most everyone else) to a O/C'd P4 but am really excited about what is right around the corner this year (10% P4 die shrink; DDR II chipsets; multithreading on a single chip; not to mention P4 price drop . . . and Hammer).

This just turned out to be a "cheap upgrade". As the Tually Celeron's FSB is raised, its performance increases noticeably - it's like my "old" 1.2Ghz on steroids. I would guess a 1.2Ghz Celeron @ 1.5-1.6 Ghz is pretty equivalent to a 1.4 Athlon or stock 1.8 P4. I do believe this platform will be OK for a Radeon 9700, at least temporarily.

Finally, I WOULD recommend the PL adapter - especially the "new" one with voltage adjustments - as a way to breathe new life into an old system. Their support is first rate.
 
That?s cool everything worked out for you. 😎

Ya know, some times having the highest OC isn?t everything. It?s the path leading to the unexpected, the trials and tribulations of the journey that keeps the diehard OC,ers going. 😀

PG
 
That Soyo board, does it allow PCI/AGP locking? If not, does anyone know an i815EP board that supports the Tualatin that allows PCI/AGP locking?
 
Originally posted by: imgod2u
That Soyo board, does it allow PCI/AGP locking? If not, does anyone know an i815EP board that supports the Tualatin that allows PCI/AGP locking?
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I haven't flashed to the latest BIOS yet. However, I can't seen any PCI/AGP ratios that can be altered. I assume everything is automatically adjusted to match the FSB.

I also haven't played around enough with it - other than to assure myself of it's stability - or downloaded benchmarking programs like SiSoft's Sandra, 3DMark, etc. I am stuck with a DEADLINE for my postponed (April 15th) taxes - Aug 15 - and I ain't there yet. 🙁
 
Crap, I was hoping to get a 1 GHz Celeron Tualatin and i815 combo (cheap of course) for an overclock to somewhere around 1.5ish-1.6ish GHz. This, on a 1 GHz Celeron of course, would mean going beyond 133MHz FSB. I know my memory can handle it I just don't know if my SCSI setup can. It'd be better if I could lock the PCI/AGP.
 
Originally posted by: imgod2u
Crap, I was hoping to get a 1 GHz Celeron Tualatin and i815 combo (cheap of course) for an overclock to somewhere around 1.5ish-1.6ish GHz. This, on a 1 GHz Celeron of course, would mean going beyond 133MHz FSB. I know my memory can handle it I just don't know if my SCSI setup can. It'd be better if I could lock the PCI/AGP.
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Oldfart would know the answer to your question. He is quite knowledgeable about Tually O/C'ing. I'd guess everyone here is for the Asus or Abit Boards - however, since this is just a "stopgap" performance improvement solution for me (to hold me awhile till I make a "real" upgrade) - I went for the cheapest possible solution .

You might click on the link in my first post here - the one this thread is continued from - there were some really nice Tually O/C'ing MBs suggested (but pricier than the SOYO). You know, I have spent so little time with my new rig I am (almost) ashamed. I know very little about what the SOYO can do (especially if there are additional features after I flash to the latest BIOS). 😱

And now I'm back to my damn tax work . . . 🙁 By this weekend, I will be free (if the IRS doesn't send agents after me). 😀

 
Ya but none of those boards allow PCI/AGP locking I think. That's the only real limitation I'm worried about. Also, asside from the Soyo, I don't think any other board allows voltage adjustment.
 
Originally posted by: imgod2u
Ya but none of those boards allow PCI/AGP locking I think. That's the only real limitation I'm worried about. Also, asside from the Soyo, I don't think any other board allows voltage adjustment.
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I fixed the first link . . . sometimes I forget about changing "subscribers" to "forums".

I think the Soyo has more voltage adjustments to a higher voltage than some of the other boards - that is all - the Asus and Abit boards report some excellent O/C's . . . I can't answer about the PCI/AGP - you might try PM'ing some of the people who replied suggesting these boards or start a New Topic with this specific question.

Me: I'm still buried in paperwork and lacking sleep and have to work and the surf is up in San Diego (how does one do everything?).

 
Originally posted by: imgod2u
I know my memory can handle it I just don't know if my SCSI setup can. It'd be better if I could lock the PCI/AGP.
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What type of SCSI adapter do you have?

I am running an adaptec 29160 @ 150FSB on my IWill DVD266Ru-N, I also had the same card running @ 148FSB on a SY-7VCA. 🙂

On my SY-7VCA the PCI bus speed would go up with the FSB until it got around 38-39Mhz then automatically drop back down to 33 then start going up again as I increased the FSB further. 😎
 
Taxes behind me . . . more or less. The new BIOS allowed it to recognize my CPU correctly. 🙂

I couldn't get my Tually 1.2 Ghz up to 133FSB without a ridiculous amount of overvolting (read: 1.8v) so, forget that.

It would post at 130FSB, but I needed over 1.65v.

Sweet spot is 1.5Ghz @ (more-or-less default 1.43v) or 125FSB.

Rock stable with all the benchmarks. SiSoft's Sandra reports a nice performance increase over the old 1.24Ghz - almost getting a 25% performance increase for my less than $30 ($51 for the SOYO-minus my PL adapter sale). The only thing that stayed about the same was 3DMark2001 scores - and a Radeon 9700 will fix that. 🙂 My CPU's performance is now on a par with the 1.4Ghz Athlon/P4 1.8 or XP1800 (close enough, anyway).

Final results: I am pleased with my SOYO TISU MB (although I didN'T need to upgrade from the PL iP3T ver 2.0 on my BX board - it also got 1.5Ghz). When I go to sell my current ("old") system for a late Fall Upgrade, I can get more money for it then a BX/hybred system that can't report CPU speed in BIOS).

Anybody need a BX6 (R.2) or a Abit Slocket or a 600E PIII (that does 800Mhz easily) . . . cheap ? 😀
 
I upgraded in Feb 02 to the same MB/CPU. Got the same P3 350 100FSB x 3.5 as you.
wcpuid does show it correctly though so I said "forget it".
Haven't upgraded BIOS but nice to know it'll recognize it correctly..........Greg
 
Originally posted by: GregMal
I upgraded in Feb 02 to the same MB/CPU. Got the same P3 350 100FSB x 3.5 as you.
wcpuid does show it correctly though so I said "forget it".
Haven't upgraded BIOS but nice to know it'll recognize it correctly..........Greg
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I used to really fear and hate flashing the BIOS. This last one went so smoothly (and fixed a few problems nicely - the old BIOS would sometimes "revert" to default if I made a change it didn't like), I am no longer worried. Of course having a second working computer really helps with 'confidence' and knowledge of how to hot-swap a BIOS chip from another MB (I now have an extra MB).

I'd recommend the upgrade. 🙂

 
I have just gotten 1.0A and run Sandra at 1.6GHz on 160Mhz bus on Asus TUV4X (1.575V I think).

CPU Arithmetic
Dhystone ALU 4404 MIPS
Whetstone FPU 2150 FLOPS

CPU Multi-Media
Integer iSSE 8494 it/s
Floating-Point iSSE: 10310 it/s


These scores are almost right in a middle of the reference Athlon XP 1800+ and XP 2000+ scores.

XP 1800+
Dhystone ALU 4240 MIPS
Whetstone FPU 2124 FLOPS
Integer iSSE 8530 it/s
Floating-Point iSSE: 9455 it/s

XP 2000+
Dhystone ALU 4611 MIPS
Whetstone FPU 2310 FLOPS
Integer iSSE 9276 it/s
Floating-Point iSSE: 10280 it/s

I am pretty amazed how fast this $50 Celeron has turned out to be.
 
Originally posted by: fxsts
I have just gotten 1.0A and run Sandra at 1.6GHz on 160Mhz bus on Asus TUV4X (1.575V I think).
My 1.2@1.5 (125FSB) under Win 98SE on Soyo TISU

CPU Arithmetic
Dhystone ALU 4139 4404 MIPS
Whetstone FPU 2020 2150 FLOPS

CPU Multi-Media
Integer iSSE 7986 8494 it/s
Floating-Point iSSE: 9688 10310 it/s


These scores are almost right in a middle of the reference Athlon XP 1800+ and XP 2000+ scores. (Mine's closer to an XP1600+ or the original 1.8Ghz P4.)

XP 1800+
Dhystone ALU 4240 MIPS
Whetstone FPU 2124 FLOPS
Integer iSSE 8530 it/s
Floating-Point iSSE: 9455 it/s

XP 2000+
Dhystone ALU 4611 MIPS
Whetstone FPU 2310 FLOPS
Integer iSSE 9276 it/s
Floating-Point iSSE: 10280 it/s

I am pretty amazed how fast this $50 Celeron has turned out to be.
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It's not bad . . . I am surprised you resurrected this old thread. Right now I am running my 1.2Ghz @ 125FSB - 1.5Ghz because I am using default voltage. My scores are inserted inside your quote in BOLD.

Mine WILL run at 1.6Ghz (133FSB) but it needs lots of voltage to keep it stable. It is well in line with yours with the extra 100Mhz and the much higher bus speed. My Sandra scores improved considerably over the stock 1.2Ghz (100FSB).
 
It looks that memory (Hyundai PC133) and/or PCI/IDE buses might be the limitation for mine. I am going to drop the memory speed (possible with VIA board) and see how far the CPU itself can do. Then, I can compare the scores.

I could only get it up to 152Mhz bus with Nanya PC133 CL3. If I install two of them together the system reboot during Windows loading at 150Mhz.

I have not check how stable the system is running at such high FSB speeds because it is still sitting flat on a box and I am using a jumper to boot it up.
 
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