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Soxfan's Budget Build Challenge - now with 300% more Prize

Sho'Nuff

Diamond Member
NOTICE: A friend of mine died today. Hence, I am not really in the mood to announce a winner today. I will do so in the next day or two. Thanks for your patience.



SEE BELOW FOR NEW CATEGORIES/RULES. CONTEST EXTENDED 2 DAYS TO GIVE EVERYONE A CHANCE TO ADJUST

Hey all. I have been asked to build (or buy) my aunt a budget pc for general word processing, web surfing, and some light business use (mainly accounting software). That said, I am extremely busy as of late (some of you may know I am an attorney), and am not really interested in taking the time to research every possible budget component (which is what I am inclined to do). So, I thought I would pose a challenge on this board and see who comes up with the best (in my opinion) pc for a given price point. As you will see below, the contest now includes 3 categories, each with their respecitve price caps.

Here is the relavant info/rules:

CONTEST PERIOD

The contest begins with this post, and ends on [/b]Tuesday, January 13[/b] at 6 PM, Eastern Time.

CATEGORY 1: BUILD YOUR OWN; $350 cap

This category is basically the same as the original contest, with the exception that the price cap has been increased to $350 in an attempt to get a better processor than the prior $300 cap allowed, and possibly a super cheap video card

1) The total cost of the parts and OS, not including shipping, must not exceed $350. I intend for this to be a hard ceiling.

2) The machine must be able to run windows vista home reasonably well (aero is not required, but it would be better if aero could be turned on an run well)

3) The required components include:
- Case
- Power supply
- Motherboard (integrated graphics are ok, though a cheap card would be preferred); mobo must have integrated ethernet and at least 4 usb ports. A firewire port would be nice too.
- Ram (2GB), must be compatible with the mobo.
- CPU (dual core and intel strongly preferred by my aunt, though she would not know if the computer used an athlon chip; nothing older than an allendale permitted)
- CD/DVD burner (a CD-burner alone is fine, though a combo drive would be preferred)
- Hard drive (something >80GB in size, 7200 RPM preferred)
- A USB 3.5in drive (this is an absolute requirement from my aunt, don't ask me why)
- Windows Vista home (OEM is fine)
- USB mouse and keyboard (something sturdy)
- a modem (don't look at me, I have no idea why anyone still uses dialup)

4) optional components that could garner big points (if you can avoid exceeding the $300 cap)
- 15 to 17 inch LCD monitor
- multiformat card reader (SD, memory stick etc. . .)

CATEGORY 2: Build your own, with some of my components; $200 cap

As the name suggests, this category is for entries that use a CPU, Motherboard, and Ram that I already own. The cap for this category for the other parts is $200. Note that a video card is required for this category, and that certain other components are different then category 1. Entries will be judged primarily on perceived price/performance, as the CPU and Mobo I have are much more powerful than what my aunt needs.

1) Components I already own that can be used in the build:
- C2D 6600
- EVGA 680I SLI Motherboard
- 4GB matched corsair DDR2 800

2) Required components for category 2
- Case
- Power supply
- CD/DVD burner (a CD-burner alone is fine, though a combo drive would be preferred)
- Hard drive (something at least 250GB in size, 7200 required)
- stand alone video card
- A USB 3.5in drive (this is an absolute requirement from my aunt, don't ask me why)
- Windows Vista home (OEM is fine)
- USB mouse and keyboard (something sturdy)
- a modem (don't look at me, I have no idea why anyone still uses dialup)

3) Bonus (optinal) components:
15-17 inch flat panel monitor;
Card reader

CATEGORY 3: Best pre-built budget PC; $400 cap

As much as I hate computer manufacturers, they do seem to have the lock=down on budget PCs. The price cap for this category is $400. The winner of this cateogry will be the person who identifies a pre-built PC with the best perceived price/performance ratio. Thus, a cheaper PC could win, even if it has worse components then a more expensive PC that is under the price cap.

Required components for this category are the same as those required for category 1

Because it is possible for two people to identify the same deal in this category, PM me with the time you identify the deal so that I have something that is time stamped to evidence who identifies a deal first.

Of course, the deal must be viable at the end of the contest

General rules

1) One entry per user, per category. If you want to change your entry, do so by modifying your original entry. If I suspect that someone is using multiple nicks to submit alternate entries, I will disqualify all parties suspected.

2) No overzealous promoting of your own build, or crapping on someone else's build. Doing so will disqualify you from the contest.

3) If you want to critique the build or deal I select as the frontrunner on a given day, do so in your own entry, and be civil. I am pretty good at building machines, but I am certainly not a budget build expert. If you piss me off, I will disqualify you. My contest, my rules.

4) All money saving tactics (rebates, coupons, etc) are allowed, provided that they are valid at the end of the contest. If a coupon is necessary, however, I will need it to be provided to me at the end of the contest, should I select your build.

Prizes

Three prizes will be given. The top prize, which in all likelihood will be my old 8800 GTX, will go to the person who I think has the best overall entry of all three categories. The second and third prizes will be substantially less valuable, but hey, something is better than nothing.


HAVE FUN, AND GOOD LUCK!






 
I assume rebates are allowed? What about Newegg newsletter coupons? Live search cashback?

In other words, are there any money-saving tactics we're not allowed to use?
 
AMD X2 4850e (2.6GHz, 45W) $55
Biostar 780G motherboard $50AR
Crucial 2x1GB DDR2 $17
Seagate 80GB HDD $35
Samsung DVDRW $23
Apevia x-QPACK (SFF) $55AR
Rosewill 56k $7
Vista Home Premium OEM 32-bit $100
Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000 $22

Total parts & OS: $364AR

That's the cheapest I could find with decent performance - and it will actually offer quite good performance. With a speedy dual-core processor and a 780G motherboard Aero will run great and you could even use it for some low-resolution gaming.

The choice in case is crucial - and one reason I'm slightly over budget. The Qpack is a tiny case that your aunt can hide easily behind the monitor or under a desk (without filling up all the legroom down there). You could trim ~$20 by going with a cheapo Rosewill but the small case really stands out (or rather - doesn't).

You could also trim a few bucks by dropping to a single-core CPU but there's really not much other fat to be cut. You can bump up to a 250GB-320GB hard drive for just over the cost of shipping on the 80GB model linked (higher capacity drives offered with free shipping).

To make up for going slightly overbudget here's a fantastic deal on a 19" LCD: Hanns-G JW-197DPB $120 shipped

With the LCD you're looking at a grand total of $484.

I have to ask though: why not just buy her a Dell/HP? Then you don't have to mess with assembly, the OS is included and preinstalled, etc. And by the time you add an LCD you can probably find a cheaper deal with monitor included.
 
You didn't say if everything had to come from one place or if you did hot deals/rebates. EDITED to include other people's finds.

In Win micro ATX case with 300W power supply $20
great quality case
average quality PSU but should be enough for integrated graphics
beige, spraypaint is $2 at Big Lots

Foxconn AMD 740G chipset motherboard $39 after rebate and Live search cashback
integrated video good for Vista Aero
supports Phenom chips
gigabit ethernet, HD audio, SATA RAID, PCI Express, USB

Corsair XMS2 2GB DDR2-800 dual channel kit $5 after rebate, newsletter coupon and Live search cashback promo code EMCABAGBK exp. 1/12, rebate exp. 1/15

AMD Athlon 64 LE-1640 $35 after Live search cashback
dual core not specified

since soxfan said just a CD burner alone is fine... $17
SATA and does LightScribe

WD 160GB SATA HDD $41 after Live search cashback
GREATER than 80GB specified, so...

USB floppy drive $12
thanks ther00kie16

Vista Home Premium $95 promo code EMCABAHBJ until 1/14

Logitech USB keyboard $9

Logitech USB optical wheel mouse $8

USR 56k PCI modem $3
thanks Rockinacoustic

total $284

Dang, just missed it... but kept decent quality and hit all the marks except price.

If you also want monitor, then wait for a Dell deal. You just missed out on this deal (post on 1/1/09 by cyberkost) with these parts for $330
Intel E2220 CPU (Allendale)
Vista Basic
Dell 20" widescreen 2009WFP
2GB DDR2-800
160GB 7200RPM HDD
DVD burner
Dell USB keyboard and optical mouse (made by Logitech)
integrated GMA X4500HD video, gigabit ethernet, HD audio
add $29 for Vista Home Premium
buy separate $20 USB floppy
 
Adding a monitor is almost impossible if you need decent parts and OS. Closest would probably be the Dell $330 deal (currently dead). After tax and shipping, it's probably around $380.

I'll give you 2 options:

AMD: x2 4200, 6150 igp, 2gb ram, 250gb hd, case, 450w psu
$160

Intel: e2200, 7050 igp, 3gb ram, 250gb hd, case, 450w psu
$210 - $10 rebate

Both have 10% live cashback (just search tigerdirect at live.com)

DVD burner: $21

Vista Home Premium: $99 - 2.75% cashback through live.com/cashback

keyboard, mouse & speakers: $8.50

same modem as found by Zap: $4

IBM usb floppy: ~$18 shipped

Total for AMD system: $312.50 before cashback (doesn't include shipping for newegg but I don't think anyone here's going to account for that)
After cashback: $294

Intel system: $372.50 before rebate and cashback. $339 after cashback & $10 rebate

At this price point though, you may want to consider a Dell for around $450ish after tax and shipping that comes with a e7300 and 20" lcd. You could also wait for the $380ish deal but I believe that only had Vista basic (so no Aero) and might have been a price adjustment error.
Current Dell deal is $380ish shipped without monitor or $100 more with the 20"
 
Dell Inspiron 518 $349

Configured with:
Intel® Pentium® dual-core E5200 (2MB L2, 2.5GHz, 800FSB)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Basic Service Pack 1
Microsoft Works 9.0
1Yr Ltd Hardware Warranty, InHome Service after Remote Diagnosis
No Monitor (See Below)
2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz (2 DIMM)
320GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache?
16X DVD+/-RW Drive
Intel® Integrated Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
Dell Entry Keyboard and Dell Optical USB Mouse

So, there's your PC, OS, mouse, and keyboard.


A modem
US Robotics 56k Modem $2.99

Card reader.
Super Talent All-In-One Card Reader $7.99

USB Floppy
Creative External USB 3.5" Floppy Drive $15.95

A dedicated GPU for Aero
Sparkle Geforce 6600 256mb 128bit PCI-express $19.99


Subtotal before shipping: $396.91


I understand your weary of pre-builts, however, with Vista included you simply cannot configure a comparable system for $350, let alone $400. You get your Dual Core Intel CPU, 2 GB of RAM, a 320GB HDD, DVD Burner, Vista Home Basic, A better (And more ventilated with included fans!) Case and more stable PSU than $20 will buy you, and in my opinion, the best of all: A one year warranty so your aunt isn't hounding you if anything goes wrong.

People like to bad-mouth Dell's Home support, but I had nothing but an excellent experience with them the time I broke one of laptop's keyboard keys (I was still under warranty and they shipped me a whole new keyboard in two days :thumbsup🙂.

I also stand by my recommendation to look at craigslist for a monitor, as people give away their old CRT's for free if you pick them up (And if not free, then maybe at most $3.08 for my sake 😉)


Nonetheless, hope we made this contest worth your while soxfan.
 
From the description it sounds like we aren't/shouldn't be using items that have rebates, in which case I'll probably be over budget by quite a bit. Care to clarify OP?
 
Originally posted by: DSF
I assume rebates are allowed? What about Newegg newsletter coupons? Live search cashback?

In other words, are there any money-saving tactics we're not allowed to use?

See edits above. I'm not sure what live search cashback is, so I have reserved comment on that issue.
 
What does it say about Micro$oft when the OS costs 1/3 of the total system price? Why the heck won't they sell Windows for a fair price? I mean, I know Dell/HP/etc aren't paying them $100 a pop per copy so why do direct consumers have to (especially for the OEM copies that don't provide any tech support)?
 
Originally posted by: Denithor
What does it say about Micro$oft when the OS costs 1/3 of the total system price? Why the heck won't they sell Windows for a fair price? I mean, I know Dell/HP/etc aren't paying them $100 a pop per copy so why do direct consumers have to (especially for the OEM copies that don't provide any tech support)?

Please do not thread crap. If you want to discuss cost of OS's, please start a new thread.
 
Honestly for your aunt's requirements and budget constraints, you really should consider buying used parts. Although that doesn't lend itself to a contest very well because used prices aren't consistent.

Just as an example, a used intel e2180 was recently sold for $35 shipped.

And finally, I personally use an E8400 system, and I just built a ~$400 AMD 4850e / Geforce 8200 IGP system (not including OS) for a client, and it's not nearly as zippy as my E8400. I have no way of judging what your aunt will perceive as fast performance, but I know that even on a decent IGP, Vista Aero feels a bit sluggish.

Aside from this contest, I'd ask your aunt what's more important, considering her extreme budget constraints: having a fancy but slow UI, or having more zippy performance and a faster overall experience with a less flashy UI?

Edit: it was a GeForce 8200
 
OS: Vista Home Premium 32 bit $99
Home basic is $10 less if you don't think she'll notice the difference.

AMD Build (cheaper):
Motherboard: Foxconn A74MX-K AM2+/AM2 AMD 740G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $40
Cheapest motherboard with integrated gpu.

CPU: AMD Athlon X2 BE-2300 Brisbane 1.9GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 45W Dual-Core Processor - Retail $40
Decently powered CPU for intended uses.

Intel Build (more power):
Motherboard: Foxconn M7VMX-K LGA 775 NVIDIA GeForce 7050 / nForce 610i Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $45
Foxconn seems to be the best for motherboards with an igp, this would be the Intel equivalent of the 740G board above.

CPU: Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail $83
Awesome value for the amount you put into it, if you want to upgrade further, the next would be the E7200, but I think that's a bit more power than your aunt might need. So if you want to downgrade, go to the E2200, -$13 if you choose the E2200.

Ram: CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $10
Doesn't get much cheaper than this for ram apparently.

Mouse: KINGWIN KW-04 Black 3 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Optical 800 dpi Mouse - Retail $4
Standard optical mouse.

Keyboard: LITE-ON SK-1688U/B Black 104 Normal Keys USB Wired Standard Keyboard - Retail $7
Standard USB keyboard.

Hard drive: Maxtor DiamondMax 10 200GB SATA/150 7200RPM 16MB HDD $29
Plenty of storage space, nice gb/dollar ratio.

Case: 8-Bay MM3750 Screwless ATX Computer Case - No PSU (Beige) $7
Just a case, don't really need much airflow considering the components/usage of system. And if she thinks the case is freakishly ugly, like I do, then there's this option:
RAIDMAX XFORCE ATX-728WS Silver Aluminum Front Panel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $10
a $60 charge up front with a massive $50 rebate for a case that's $10 + shipping. Looks nice to me, but her taste in computer chassis looks might differ.

PSU: Antec Basiq BP-350B 350W ATX12V Version 2.01 Power Supply - OEM $20
I felt more at ease recommending a PSU from a trusted company. Slightly more expensive than Zap's case+psu.

DVD Drive: Lite-On LH-20A1S 20x DVD±RW DL SATA Drive (Black) $20
I use this drive and have absolutely no problems with it.

Modem: Conexant RD01-D850 56K V.92 PCI Data/Fax Modem $4
Wow...dial up.

Floppy drive: 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive & All-in-One Card Reader/Writer Combo w/USB 2.0 Port (Black) $15
Wasn't sure if it HAD to be external/USB or not, but at least this is an all-in-one card reader as well

$99+$40+$40+$10+$4+$7+$29+$7+$20+$20+$4+$15 = $295 After rebates and before shipping. Intel build total = $343

Also if you go with the AMD build, it'll put the total cost at $370 but you can get a 15" HP L1502 LCD Monitor (Silver) for $75. I would have cut from the AMD build to put it under budget but I don't really see where I can cut any costs.
 
Refurbished Compaq Presario: $240
(shipping is $25)

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+(2.2GHz)
Asus M2N68-LA mobo (nVidia GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 )
160GB SATA
DVD Burner with LightScribe
1 Gb DDR2 800
Integrated 10/100 Base-T networking interface
56K bps data/fax modem
Compaq PS/2 keyboard & PS/2 scroller mouse
2 USB ports on the front panel
Windows Vista Home Premium
Cyberlink DVD Suite
Microsoft Works 9
Norton Security Suite 2008 Trial
Adobe Reader 8

System Specs and Motherboard Specs from HP

Here's a 2GB stick of Kingston DDR2 800 for $18.50 (free shipping) that works with about anything

And finally, the SONY Black 1.44MB External USB Floppy Drive for $25 (best I can tell costs $7 to ship!)

Total: $300.50

First thing I'd do is a system restore point, download HijackThis and disable the 'HP Total Care Advisor' (and a few other resource hawgs) at boot.

I'd also probably nix the Norton Suite and install AVG & ZoneAlarm.

I've got a dozen or so new floppy drives (gray face plates) and I'd be more than happy to ship you one with a cable for $3.50 (is that what USPS express mail costs these days?). With your new-found $33 of wealth you could snag an Asus Radeon HD 3450 for $20 after rebate (and maybe something like a 2Gb thumb drive).

Teach your aunt to drag and drop to the thumb drive (or maybe learn to use CD-RW 'rewritable' discs) after she copies those floppies (if that is what she is going to do).


Make checks payable to:

BooBoo
Blowing Rock, NC

:laugh:
 
Originally posted by: soxfan
Second, I am still convinced that I can build a better machine with better components than Dell, for not much more money (though, your entries are starting to persuade me to think otherwise).

No way. Especially with Dell Outlet. 😀

 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: soxfan
Second, I am still convinced that I can build a better machine with better components than Dell, for not much more money (though, your entries are starting to persuade me to think otherwise).

No way. Especially with Dell Outlet. 😀

I guess I agree until you hit the $600 mark, then a custom build would smoke a Dell, look better, and be more reliable in the long time. Budget PCs are Dell's turf, major company = huge discounts = easier to make a profit from budget PCs.
 
Originally posted by: krnmastersgt
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: soxfan
Second, I am still convinced that I can build a better machine with better components than Dell, for not much more money (though, your entries are starting to persuade me to think otherwise).

No way. Especially with Dell Outlet. 😀

I guess I agree until you hit the $600 mark, then a custom build would smoke a Dell, look better, and be more reliable in the long time. Budget PCs are Dell's turf, major company = huge discounts = easier to make a profit from budget PCs.

I wouldn't even say $600. Especially with Outlet coupon codes. I've built plenty in my day, but I have found that Dell refurb's to be the sweet spot. Upgrading where desired. They are also quiet, and you have to have some bad luck to get a lemon. I've ordered more than 800 in the past ~3.5 years, and I've only had two show up DOA. The two that I have owned personally have been solid. I don't think I'll ever build again.
 
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Make checks payable to:

BooBoo
Blowing Rock, NC
:laugh:

Dude you live in Blowing Rock? That place is nice. I live on the coast (Jacksonville) and have been that way a few times. Really nice area.


OKAY BACK ON TOPIC!! 😀
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: krnmastersgt
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: soxfan
Second, I am still convinced that I can build a better machine with better components than Dell, for not much more money (though, your entries are starting to persuade me to think otherwise).

No way. Especially with Dell Outlet. 😀

I guess I agree until you hit the $600 mark, then a custom build would smoke a Dell, look better, and be more reliable in the long time. Budget PCs are Dell's turf, major company = huge discounts = easier to make a profit from budget PCs.

I wouldn't even say $600. Especially with Outlet coupon codes. I've built plenty in my day, but I have found that Dell refurb's to be the sweet spot. Upgrading where desired. They are also quiet, and you have to have some bad luck to get a lemon. I've ordered more than 800 in the past ~3.5 years, and I've only had two show up DOA. The two that I have owned personally have been solid. I don't think I'll ever build again.

But building is where all the fun, besides overclocking, is 😛 I'd still much rather prefer to build my own set-ups than go refurbed but maybe that's just me?
 
Originally posted by: krnmastersgt
But building is where all the fun, besides overclocking, is 😛 I'd still much rather prefer to build my own set-ups than go refurbed but maybe that's just me?

Oh, sure, it comes down to personal preference. And the lack of OC'ing is definitely something that would keep many from an OEM box.
 
Originally posted by: krnmastersgt
I'm surprised at the low number of entries this got, I know there must be a few more people interested.

Yeah...

I wasn't even going to post until I figured I could hit it close with a few choice parts... Then the limit was raised and I lost interest.

The reason I wasn't (speaking for myself, not others) was because this kind of request actually irritates me - generally speaking. "I want this, and I expect to pay this." My first reaction would be "Uh, okay, go waste someone else's time."

Heck, why not just sell the 8800 GTX for $100 (which would be an easy sale) and then spend $400 (now $450) on some random computer which comes close?

What soxfan wants is "Priceline for computer parts" which does not yet exist.
 
Originally posted by: Zap
Originally posted by: krnmastersgt
I'm surprised at the low number of entries this got, I know there must be a few more people interested.

Yeah...

I wasn't even going to post until I figured I could hit it close with a few choice parts... Then the limit was raised and I lost interest.

The reason I wasn't (speaking for myself, not others) was because this kind of request actually irritates me - generally speaking. "I want this, and I expect to pay this." My first reaction would be "Uh, okay, go waste someone else's time."

Heck, why not just sell the 8800 GTX for $100 (which would be an easy sale) and then spend $400 (now $450) on some random computer which comes close?

What soxfan wants is "Priceline for computer parts" which does not yet exist.

Wouldn't be a bad idea to have a "Priceline for computer parts" but the market isn't there yet I suppose, not with Dell being there with its cheap system for the masses. I probably wouldn't have made a build but I'm stuck at school for a few extra hours every day and the forums move slow these days, so I had plenty of time to burn to find/refine the build. I guess most people don't wanna sink in the time for something like this.

Stinkin OS being 1/3rd the cost like Denithor mentioned before really put a wrench in the overall quality of the build.
 
Originally posted by: krnmastersgt

Stinkin OS being 1/3rd the cost like Denithor mentioned before really put a wrench in the overall quality of the build.

That's why I just erased my components when he opened the contest up to pre-builts. The OS is practically free when you are buying the lowest configurations.
 
Originally posted by: Rockinacoustic
Originally posted by: krnmastersgt

Stinkin OS being 1/3rd the cost like Denithor mentioned before really put a wrench in the overall quality of the build.

That's why I just erased my components when he opened the contest up to pre-builts. The OS is practically free when you are buying the lowest configurations.

Well, not free, pre-builts have that major advantage of ridiculously cheap OS's compared to what standard consumers have to pay. They cheat you on the price of the ram and video card so it doesn't really matter I suppose for the majority of consumers. However when those people buy the lowest possible, then come here for advice on what to replace, then you got a nice deal 😀
 
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