Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Now, if anything deserves a LMAO, it's that comment.
Then, by all means, provide any evidence for any claim the Mormon faith makes. Until then, you have no business tauting it as "truth."
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
:roll: Yeah, cause "reiterate" means the first one wasn't in place? Reiterate means repeat. What's the problem?
You seem to be missing the point entirely. Yes, the church SAID they would stop baptizing Jews in 1995. However, the dispute still exists because despite what they SAID they have not followed through. Since 1995 and after they reiterated their claim in 2000 there have been more dead Jews baptized without permission.
Is it clumsy practitioners not knowing any better? Or is it a church wide conspiracy? I don't know. I do know that it is the church's responsibility to cease and desist the activity and that has not happened per their agreement. If the continued actions of a church's membership do not represent the sentiment of the whole, then what does?
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
From the article.
Some Jewish genealogists agree with the Mormon interpretation of the agreement. "I have a copy of the agreement," said Gary Mokotoff, the publisher of Avotaynu, the International Review of Jewish Genealogy. "The wording is vague in some places, but it definitely does not obligate the Mormons to scour their own archives on an ongoing basis."
Hmm, Mr. Michael vs. someone who knows what they're talking about. Hmm, wonder which one I'm going to go with?
Perhaps it's is YOU that needs to read your articles before you post them.
If the Jews feel the church holds no responsibility beyond removing names when asked, then the dispute is over. This is not the case. Many Jews feel it is the church's responsibility to ensure no new deceased Jewish names are baptized, which is still clearly happening -- otherwise this would be a non-issue!
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Yes, and provides nothing that isn't already stated in the first two.
It states a great deal! It documents the ongoing dispute ever since it began with comments and opinions from both sides!
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Yeah, the fact that people I know have had to go through the process of changing citizenship to be baptized because they were Jewish was apparently just a dream. You keep dreaming and hating the church all you want little boy. Doesn't hurt me a bit.
What does that have to do with anything? We're not talking about living Jews changing citizenship. We're talking about dead Jews' names being disrespected by having them posthumously baptized into the Mormon faith.
Call me names all you want. I'm sure your local Bishop would approve!
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Facts? What facts? You have no facts? You have possibilities that you will hold on to till your dying day because you hate the church, PERIOD. Here's the facts.
Brigham Young was not only the religious leader of the LDS church, but the political leader as well. After LDS people being murdered, abused, beaten, raped, jailed, assaulted, and forced out of their homes, can you blame the man for being a little paranoid? I'm sure you could, but I doubt many normal people would. The fact is they were at that time expecting an army from the U.S. that received false claims that they were again gathering an army to fight against the U.S. Once again fearing what happened before would happen again, they were prepare to fight this time.
Was what happened tragic? Absolutely. Should it have happened? I would hope not. But the fact remains, it was not a MORMON army sent out. You want to blame this on the Mormon church because you hate it and the people involved were Mormon, and for you, that's all you need.
You have no proof, only theories, that would claim Brigham Young as being responsible. And even if he was, he was acting in the office of political leader, not church leader. But hey, who cares? I've got something I can use to justify my hatred of the Mormons!! Well congratulations, no one cares.
Yes... saying that I have no facts makes it true. Reality is NOT the Book of Mormon, my friend. You can't make things up and wish they're true.
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Mormons. I hate the fascist organization that is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
Here's a link about the Massacre right from the Mormon Wiki:
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It confirms, as I have said, that Mormon militia men murdered 120 men, women, and children. That is an indisputable fact.
Once AGAIN, I'll reiterate my earlier comments -- I, or possibly anyone else alive, knows whether Brigham Young had anything to do with the attack. I have made no claims regarding his involvement, yet you, however, seem hell bent on claiming I did.
Regardless of Young's involvement, that does not excuse the actions of Mormon men during that time nor does the fear of war or invaders give ANYONE the right to trick people into surrendering and then executing every man, woman, and child age 8 or older. Completely and totally inexcusable. No matter what justifications you have been told, you, as well as I, know that is wrong and reprehensible and is a VERY dark splotch of blood on the hands of the Mormon church.
Originally posted by: engineereeyoreROFLMAO!!! The irony of that coming from you almost made me pee my pants. Just shut up.
Don't get your garments in a bunch!
(Oh, and if you pee your pants and decide to throw out your garments, make sure you cut out and burn the symbols first!)