South Carolina voter ID law blocked by Justice Department

[Ausm]

The current long established regulations for voting are just fine and dandy as is.
There has not been any evidence of voter fraud intent, nor actual voter fraud.
And if one or two cases were ever discovered, that would not create the necessity to enforce such major change to guard against something that has never existed in the first place.

All of us are grown up enough to see thru this BS.
And that is exactly what this is, plain and simple.

Republicans never had an issue with voter fraud back in 2000.
They went as far as to go to the United States Supreme Court to stop the recount in a highly questionable election.
Strange, now during a upcoming presidential election cycle where a democrat will surely
be reelected, all while the republicans cannot come up with even one qualified opponent, that republican and only republican governors wish to attempt to stack the deck.
Amazing?

Republicans should be called out for what they really are...
Supporters of not just big government but HUGE government. Massive government.
Supporters of government in every American bedroom, supporters of government in every classroom, place of worship, supporters of government in every restaurant, grocery store, and every movie theater.
Not to mention, supporters of huge government in every country, nation, nook and cranny worldwide, all paid for by the American taxpayer.
But not paid for by that top 1% American taxpayer, only the lower 99% American taxpayers.
Exposed them for their willingness to shred the very constitution they claim to worship, and their intention to rewrite even single line to suit their warped vision of some self-serving divided America.
Expose them for what they are, for what they so badly want to do, not what they claim to want or claim they will do.

Republican leaders have fabricated this false voter fraud issue, just so they could pervert the American voting system to their favor.
And every one of us know that is exactly what they are trying to do, state by state.
They will never succeed...
The American public will have the last word.
And soon after, kick their bigoted fat ass out of office.

Well said and QFT!

 

[glenn1]

Since proof of identity is required to receive welfare benefits in SC, anyone applying for welfare should be given free photo ID at that point if they don't have it. Then anyone showing up to vote claiming no ID should be cross referrenced against the welfare rolls. If you're on them you can go get your ID and vote, or vote without ID and lose welfare since you no longer meet the requirements for it.


https://scmapp.sc.gov/AFB/AFBGettingStarted.aspx

 

[michal1980]

Perhaps you'd care to cite that ruling.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24351798/ns/politics/t/supreme-court-upholds-voter-id-law/#.TvNs3PLNm4Z

 

[Ausm]

so now the DOJ under obama violates supreme court rulings on the matter?

PS liberals, one of your heros Jimmy Carter was for voter id

LMAO

 

[michal1980]

Republicans are spending 8 million to implement Voter suppression in my State.

No its a law to up hold the intergraty of the vote. Why are you liberals so afraid of a fair free election?

Even your hero Jimmy Cater is for voter id. In a bi-partisain op ed

http://www.cartercenter.org/news/editorials_speeches/voter_id.html

"In the meantime, the Supreme Court can lead the way on the voter ID issue. It has the opportunity to inspire the states, our national leaders and the entire country to bridge the partisan divide on a matter that is important to our democracy. It can support voter ID laws that make it easy to vote but tough to cheat.

 

[Ausm]

No its a law to up hold the intergraty of the vote. Why are you liberals so afraid of a fair free election?

Even your hero Jimmy Cater is for voter id. In a bi-partisain op ed

http://www.cartercenter.org/news/editorials_speeches/voter_id.html

"In the meantime, the Supreme Court can lead the way on the voter ID issue. It has the opportunity to inspire the states, our national leaders and the entire country to bridge the partisan divide on a matter that is important to our democracy. It can support voter ID laws that make it easy to vote but tough to cheat.

Integrity of the vote? LMAO You obviously haven't realized that it's a bullshit claim of which I posted SHITLOADS of proof.

 

[spacejamz]

I wonder how all of these citizens take advantage of our government's services without having a driver license or ID, or is that not needed to receive these benefits as well?

Can one just simply claim government benefits without proving who they are?

 

[Ausm]

Here you can use one of the following...

Primary:

US Citizen Identification Card (I-179 or I-197)
Permanent Resident Card (I-551)
Temporary I-551 (immigrant visa endorsed with audit stamp) and foreign passport
Temporary Resident Identification Card (I-688)
Employment Authorization Card (I-766)
U.S. Travel Document (I-327 or I-571)
Advance Parole Document (I-512 or I-512L)
I-94 stamped Sec. 208 Asylee with photo
I-94 stamped Sec. 207 Refugee with photo
American Indian Card (I-872)
Northern Mariana card (I-873)

OR, two Secondary:

Original or certified copy of a birth certificate issued by the appropriate State Bureau of Vital Statistics or equivalent agency from a U.S. state, U.S. territory, the District of Columbia, or a Canadian province. A birth record issued by a hospital is not acceptable under this category.

Original or certified copy of U.S. Dept. of State Certification of Birth Abroad (issued to U. S. citizens born abroad) (Form FS-240, DS-1350, or FS-545)

Original or certified copy of court order with name and date of birth (DOB) indicating an official change of name and/or gender from a U.S. state, U.S. territory, the District of Columbia, or Canadian province.

OR one secondary, and two Supporting:

Social Security card (actual card)
Forms W-2 or 1099
Numident record from the Social Security Administration
Temporary receipt for a Texas driver license or ID (actual receipt)
Driver license or ID issued by another U.S. state, U.S. territory, the District of Columbia, or Canadian province (unexpired or within two years of the expiration date) (actual card) *
Expired Texas driver license or ID (expired more than two years) (actual card)
School records* (e.g., report cards, photo ID cards)
Military records (e.g., Form DD-214)
Unexpired U.S. military dependant identification card (actual card)
Original or certified copy of marriage license or divorce decree (U.S. jurisdiction or foreign jurisdiction – if the document is not in English, a certified translation must accompany it)
Voter registration card (actual card)*
Pilot's license (actual card)*
Concealed handgun license (actual card)*
Professional license issued by Texas state agency
ID card issued by government agency*
A valid consular document issued by a state or national government
Texas Inmate ID card or similar form of ID issued by TDCJ
TDCJ parole or mandatory release certificate
Federal inmate identification card
Federal parole or release certificate
Medicare or Medicaid card (actual card)
Selective Service card (actual card)
Immunization records*
Tribal membership card from federally-recognized tribe
Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood
Unexpired foreign passport
Insurance policy (e.g., auto, home, life) (valid continuously for the past two years)
Texas Vehicle title (TRC §521.144)
Current Texas vehicle registration
Current Texas boat registration or title
Veteran’s Administration card (actual card)
Hospital issued birth record*

Seems like it would be pretty fucking easy to come up with enough to get an ID. This line of "undue burden" is a crock of shit. It's absurd that people think you shouldn't have to have identification to vote.

The question isn't what can be used the question should be why would anyone need an ID when there isn't a problem in the first place.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Wait, so now conservatives are in favor of government mandated ID cards?

This conservative is in favor of mandated government issued IDs, mandated DNA collection at birth (with fingerprints collected as soon as possible), elimination of hard-currency with consumer credit / debit cards linked to the government-issued ID with access to this information available to law-enforcement after a court-order. The financial transaction logs of lawmakers would automatically be available to the FBI upon election.

In short, not all conservatives are "small government," we can be quite like progressives in our love of big government involvement.

 

[fskimospy]

This argument has been had many times on here. A simple use of the search button will help you out. Voter ID laws do nothing to prevent voter fraud while preventing legitimate voters from voting. They are enacted exclusively by Republican legislatures that ignore far more credible avenues of voter fraud, and they do so because this way they can limit the voting of unfriendly constituencies.

This isn't that complex. Voter ID laws are total bullshit and anyone who supports the right to vote should oppose them.

 

[HomerJS]

It is perfectly reasonably to require a photo ID. Medicaid requires one in many states and it will be mandated everywhere. Same with drivers licenses.

Does the law allow people to be provided cards?

You mean like Texas not accepting college student IDs but accepting NRA cards. Pretty even handed I guess?

 

[xj0hnx]

Wait, so now conservatives are in favor of government mandated ID cards?

No, that's a pretty stupid conclusion. If you want to participate in activities where your identity needs to be verified, you should have an ID, they aren't expensive, or hard to get. The word "mandated" hasn't been used anywhere.

 

[Jhhnn]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24351798/ns/politics/t/supreme-court-upholds-voter-id-law/#.TvNs3PLNm4Z

That sounds peachy, except that S Carolina is a "covered jurisdiction" under the 1965 Voting Rights Act-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act

The Act established extensive federal oversight of elections administration, providing that states with a history of discriminatory voting practices (so-called "covered jurisdictions") could not implement any change affecting voting without first obtaining the approval of the Department of Justice, a process known as preclearance.[5] These enforcement provisions applied to states and political subdivisions (mostly in the South) that had used a "device" to limit voting and in which less than 50 percent of the population was registered to vote in 1964.[5] The Act has been renewed and amended by Congress four times, the most recent being a 25-year extension signed into law by President George W. Bush in 2006.

Given 100 years of Jim Crow, and slavery prior to that, S Carolina is still on probation. Old ways die hard, particularly for Conservatives.

Righties will, I'm sure, attempt to protect the electoral process against the depredations of the nefarious bigfoot, "voter fraud" because their leaders have assured them he exists, despite the lack of evidence.

They had their reasons for another recent snipe hunt, Iraqi WMD's, and it seems likely that this is similar.

 

[HomerJS]

I love the sudden concern of the GOP and the rules of voting. They wanted to bypass those rules when overseas ballots were coming in past the due date in the 2K election. Now they've becom apopletic about the chance that Hattie Mae Jenkins from South Carolina might vote twice.

 

[glenn1]

This argument has been had many times on here. A simple use of the search button will help you out. Voter ID laws do nothing to prevent voter fraud while preventing legitimate voters from voting. They are enacted exclusively by Republican legislatures that ignore far more credible avenues of voter fraud, and they do so because this way they can limit the voting of unfriendly constituencies.

This isn't that complex. Voter ID laws are total bullshit and anyone who supports the right to vote should oppose them.

SC and other republican states should drop the ID for voting rules and simply enforce the rules around ID for public assistance already on the books. Show up to vote and claim you have no ID, and you are allowed to vote but dropped from the welfare rolls since proof of identity is a requirement for receiving assistance.

 

[Jhhnn]

SC and other republican states should drop the ID for voting rules and simply enforce the rules around ID for public assistance already on the books. Show up to vote and claim you have no ID, and you are allowed to vote but dropped from the welfare rolls since proof of identity is a requirement for receiving assistance.

Magnificent bit of circular reasoning & false attribution. You seem to allege that all poor & near poor people are on assistance and that picture ID is required to obtain it, when neither is true at all.

Furthermore, you attempt to punish people for voting if they lack picture ID.

Nice catch, that catch 22...

Funny how Righties are all about Free, Freedom & Liberty until it comes down to the authoritarian demand of "Papers, please", particularly when it comes to voting.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You mean like Texas not accepting college student IDs but accepting NRA cards. Pretty even handed I guess?

Proof this happened please.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The question isn't what can be used the question should be why would anyone need an ID when there isn't a problem in the first place.

It's a bit tricky to say anything when there's little proof one way or another. If everyone has the opportunity to get an ID freely then everyone is equal. Do you think that the poor having to get a medicaid card or providing proof for a drivers license or passport is onerous? Free pass on that too?

 

[bfdd]

Magnificent bit of circular reasoning & false attribution. You seem to allege that all poor & near poor people are on assistance and that picture ID is required to obtain it, when neither is true at all.

Furthermore, you attempt to punish people for voting if they lack picture ID.

Nice catch, that catch 22...

Funny how Righties are all about Free, Freedom & Liberty until it comes down to the authoritarian demand of "Papers, please", particularly when it comes to voting.

because if you're on the government dole you're infringing on my freedom and liberty, i have to pay for you, it's FORCIBLY TAKEN FROM ME BY GOVERNMENT. If you want that money, then you absolutely should have to meet my standards. Just as if I was giving money to someone person to person, I would want to know exactly who the fuck they are.

 

[soundforbjt]

It's a bit tricky to say anything when there's little proof one way or another. If everyone has the opportunity to get an ID freely then everyone is equal. Do you think that the poor having to get a medicaid card or providing proof for a drivers license or passport is onerous? Free pass on that too?

I have no problem with a photo ID as long as they're free of charge and readily available to voters. If they have to pay to get the required paperwork to get the ID, then it's a poll tax under a different banner.

I've still seen no proof that widespead voter fraud is a problem is any of the states that are enacting it. Which is the biggest problem I see with it. If you can't show a need for the law, why enact it? More government waste.

Show me links to widespread convicted voter fraud in SC and I'll agree the law should exist. That shouldn't be too hard now should it?

I'm still waiting for the links.

 

[hal2kilo]

Republicans have never believed in majority rule.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw

 

[Jhhnn]

It's a bit tricky to say anything when there's little proof one way or another. If everyone has the opportunity to get an ID freely then everyone is equal. Do you think that the poor having to get a medicaid card or providing proof for a drivers license or passport is onerous? Free pass on that too?

Finally some admission of truth, if only in an oblique fashion. Philosophically, Conservatives *oppose change* w/o good reason, if they're actually conservative rather than just authoritarian at all. And yet they follow their leaders who claim this change is necessary, while proof is not forthcoming.

And yet you continue to obfuscate and to provide false equivalence. Poor people generally don't have passports- Hell, lots of middle class people don't have 'em. Lots of poor people don't drive, so they have no need of driver's licenses, and lots of seniors let theirs lapse because they quit driving. Nobody needs to present picture ID to obtain a Medicare card, either. And none of that has anything to do with the Constitutional Right to vote.

 

[Jhhnn]

because if you're on the government dole you're infringing on my freedom and liberty, i have to pay for you, it's FORCIBLY TAKEN FROM ME BY GOVERNMENT. If you want that money, then you absolutely should have to meet my standards. Just as if I was giving money to someone person to person, I would want to know exactly who the fuck they are.

Your standards? Or the standards of a democratically elected govt of the people? Obviously, there's some difference...

Pure duh-version & obfuscation, anyway. Public assistance and Voting are unrelated topics.

 

[soundforbjt]

Republicans have never believed in majority rule.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw

I love this one in the comments:

"IT'S OUR OBLIGATION!" A 65 year old disabled Vietnam Veteran called in, (protesting the republicans voter suppression efforts.) Said "I didn't need a stinking Photo ID in order to vote, before leaving a piece of myself in Vietnam, while fighting for our rights. And no one better dare ask me for it NOW!" When Thom Hartmann thanked him for his service and his courage for standing up for our rights. The Veteran responded "STANDING UP FOR OUR RIGHTS DOESN'T REQUIRE COURAGE, IT'S OUR OBLIGATION!"

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Finally some admission of truth, if only in an oblique fashion. Philosophically, Conservatives *oppose change* w/o good reason, if they're actually conservative rather than just authoritarian at all. And yet they follow their leaders who claim this change is necessary, while proof is not forthcoming.

And yet you continue to obfuscate and to provide false equivalence. Poor people generally don't have passports- Hell, lots of middle class people don't have 'em. Lots of poor people don't drive, so they have no need of driver's licenses, and lots of seniors let theirs lapse because they quit driving. Nobody needs to present picture ID to obtain a Medicare card, either. And none of that has anything to do with the Constitutional Right to vote.

I ve had an exchange with a few of those on the left and while they may disagree with my position they appear to understand that I insist that no one be penalized for getting an id. I want everyone who is entitled to vote be able to. Now if that defines an authoritarian in your mind then you'll find absolute dictators run rampant here. I don't believe that to be true but whatever. BTW I didn't mention medicare, I said medicaid and my quite liberal state of NY mandated photo ids.