South Carolina voter ID law blocked by Justice Department

[Patranus]

Nice hurfburf. What the link shows is that minorities are disproportionately poor in S Carolina. Since you just admitted that the new requirements fall disproportionately on poor people, it falls disproportionately on minorities.

What do you have against poor people voting, anyway?

But one has nothing to do with another.

Your issue should be with poor people being disenfranchised not minorities.

The fact that you cannot separate poor people and minorities is pretty disturbing.

 

[Jhhnn]

Democrats. They think you're too stupid to get an id.

Republicans. They think nobody will notice when they try to make voting more of an ordeal than it is for many people.

Demonstrate that voter fraud exists in S Carolina. Demonstrate that there's some problem requiring a solution.

I thought Righties were all about smaller less intrusive govt, and about the marketplace of ideas, not about spending taxpayer money to create a members only country club of voters in response to a phony "problem".

 

[Jhhnn]

But one has nothing to do with another.

Your issue should be with poor people being disenfranchised not minorities.

The fact that you cannot separate poor people and minorities is pretty disturbing.

So, uhh, you oppose the new requirements for voter ID in S Carolina on the basis that it disenfranchises poor people, or not? You dispute the fact that minorities are disproportionately poor in S Carolina, and are therefore more affected?

 

[soundforbjt]

So nobody has put up a valid reason yet for how this is voter suppression.

See post #14.

And I see no one has put up any links to show how it's desperately needed at this time. Don't they have more pressing problems in their state?

 

[soundforbjt]

I thought Righties were all about smaller less intrusive govt, and about the marketplace of ideas, not about spending taxpayer money to create a members only country club of voters in response to a phony "problem".

Republicans idea of "small" government means starting with a smaller voting electorate.

 

[BoomerD]

Republicans idea of "small" government means starting with a smaller Democratic-leaning voting electorate.

fixed

 

[Ausm]

How does this suppress voters?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression#Photo_ID_laws


Photo ID laws
See also: Voter ID laws (United States)
Photo ID laws require voters to present a government-approved photo ID before they may cast their ballots. Belgium,[3] Spain,[3] Greece,[3] Italy,[3] Malta,[3] and seven US states have such laws, including Indiana and Georgia.[4]
Supporters of photo ID laws contend that the photographic IDs (such as driver's licenses or student IDs from state schools) are nearly universal, and that presenting them is a minor inconvenience when weighed against the possibility of ineligible voters affecting elections. Opponents argue that photo ID requirements disproportionately affect minority and elderly voters who don't normally maintain driver's licenses, and therefore that requiring such groups to obtain and keep track of photo IDs that are otherwise unneeded is a suppression tactic aimed at those groups.[5]
Indiana's photo ID law barred twelve retired nuns in South Bend, Indiana from voting in that state's 2008 Democratic primary election. The women lacked the photo IDs required under a state law that was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court in April 2008. John Borkowski, a South Bend lawyer volunteering as an election watchdog for the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, said, "This law was passed supposedly to prevent and deter voter fraud, even though there was no real record of serious voter fraud in Indiana."[6][7]
Proponents of a similar law proposed for Texas In March 2009 also argued that photo identification was necessary to prevent widespread voter fraud. Opponents respond that there is no evidence of such voter fraud in Texas, so no remedy is required, especially if such a remedy would decrease voting by senior citizens, the disabled, and lower-income residents. Opponents cited a study asserting that 1 million of the state's 13.5 million registered voters do not have a photo ID.[4]
State Sen. Troy Fraser (R-Horseshoe Bay) said, "Voter fraud not only is alive and well in the U.S., but also alive and well in Texas. The danger of voter fraud threatens the integrity of the entire electoral process." Democratic Caucus Chairwoman Leticia Van de Putte (D-San Antonio) said the proposed law "is not about voter fraud. There is no voter fraud. This is about voter suppression." Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott (R) spent $1.4 million investigating voter fraud but did not report any cases where a person tried to impersonate an eligible voter at a polling place—arguably the only kind of fraud that photo ID laws would prevent.[4]
Legislation to impose restrictive photo ID requirements has been prepared by the conservative organization ALEC and circulated to conservative state legislators[5].
In 2011, more than 100 Democratic members of Congress urged the Department of Justice to oppose such legislation, arguing that it "has the potential to block millions of eligible American voters, and thus suppress the right to vote."[8]

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

How much would a person have to pay for the voter id?

 

[Jhhnn]

Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott (R) spent $1.4 million investigating voter fraud but did not report any cases where a person tried to impersonate an eligible voter at a polling place—arguably the only kind of fraud that photo ID laws would prevent.

Searching for bigfoot, so to speak, an ontology within a non-sequiter wrapped around a faith based system of belief.

The fact that Righties will believe in it at all tells us that they've been intellectually crippled. The fact that their leaders profess to believe in it tells us that their idea of democracy isn't egalitarian democracy at all.

 

[soundforbjt]

How much would a person have to pay for the voter id?

According to the link, they must have a drivers license or birth certificate, or military ID.

My copy of my birth certificate cost me $55.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

According to the link, they must have a drivers license or birth certificate, or military ID.

My copy of my birth certificate cost me $55.

If the government determines that a photo id is necessary I haven't a problem with it as I've said but it should not be required that the voter pay for it.

 

[xj0hnx]

According to the link, they must have a drivers license or birth certificate, or military ID.

My copy of my birth certificate cost me $55.

Here you can use one of the following...

Primary:

US Citizen Identification Card (I-179 or I-197)
Permanent Resident Card (I-551)
Temporary I-551 (immigrant visa endorsed with audit stamp) and foreign passport
Temporary Resident Identification Card (I-688)
Employment Authorization Card (I-766)
U.S. Travel Document (I-327 or I-571)
Advance Parole Document (I-512 or I-512L)
I-94 stamped Sec. 208 Asylee with photo
I-94 stamped Sec. 207 Refugee with photo
American Indian Card (I-872)
Northern Mariana card (I-873)

OR, two Secondary:

Original or certified copy of a birth certificate issued by the appropriate State Bureau of Vital Statistics or equivalent agency from a U.S. state, U.S. territory, the District of Columbia, or a Canadian province. A birth record issued by a hospital is not acceptable under this category.

Original or certified copy of U.S. Dept. of State Certification of Birth Abroad (issued to U. S. citizens born abroad) (Form FS-240, DS-1350, or FS-545)

Original or certified copy of court order with name and date of birth (DOB) indicating an official change of name and/or gender from a U.S. state, U.S. territory, the District of Columbia, or Canadian province.

OR one secondary, and two Supporting:

Social Security card (actual card)
Forms W-2 or 1099
Numident record from the Social Security Administration
Temporary receipt for a Texas driver license or ID (actual receipt)
Driver license or ID issued by another U.S. state, U.S. territory, the District of Columbia, or Canadian province (unexpired or within two years of the expiration date) (actual card) *
Expired Texas driver license or ID (expired more than two years) (actual card)
School records* (e.g., report cards, photo ID cards)
Military records (e.g., Form DD-214)
Unexpired U.S. military dependant identification card (actual card)
Original or certified copy of marriage license or divorce decree (U.S. jurisdiction or foreign jurisdiction – if the document is not in English, a certified translation must accompany it)
Voter registration card (actual card)*
Pilot's license (actual card)*
Concealed handgun license (actual card)*
Professional license issued by Texas state agency
ID card issued by government agency*
A valid consular document issued by a state or national government
Texas Inmate ID card or similar form of ID issued by TDCJ
TDCJ parole or mandatory release certificate
Federal inmate identification card
Federal parole or release certificate
Medicare or Medicaid card (actual card)
Selective Service card (actual card)
Immunization records*
Tribal membership card from federally-recognized tribe
Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood
Unexpired foreign passport
Insurance policy (e.g., auto, home, life) (valid continuously for the past two years)
Texas Vehicle title (TRC §521.144)
Current Texas vehicle registration
Current Texas boat registration or title
Veteran’s Administration card (actual card)
Hospital issued birth record*

Seems like it would be pretty fucking easy to come up with enough to get an ID. This line of "undue burden" is a crock of shit. It's absurd that people think you shouldn't have to have identification to vote.

 

[SilthDraeth]

Just going to add that one can get an ID without it being a drivers license. My wife has one.

Also going to add that I don't support people having to have a government (state or federal) issued photo ID at all. But that is pretty extreme, and I have a drivers license and as stated above my wife has a state ID.

There are other reasons I am against IDs, etc. That don't belong in this thread, and those people who are more extreme and don't use ID for my reasons won't be voting anyways, so it doesn't matter.

So with all that said, if you are going to vote, I believe photo ID should be required, since voting carries far more responsibility than driving, and it is required to drive. With that said, if you require a photo ID to vote, then the photo needs to be on the voter ID card, and it needs to be free, and when the law is passed for that action, it needs to take affect at least a year later, to give people the time to get new ID cards...

 

[Patranus]

My copy of my birth certificate cost me $55.

And what did you do with the original?

 

[Throckmorton]

Wait, so now conservatives are in favor of government mandated ID cards?

 

[Jhhnn]

Seems like it would be pretty fucking easy to come up with enough to get an ID. This line of "undue burden" is a crock of shit. It's absurd that people think you shouldn't have to have identification to vote.

And it seems that it's pretty fucking difficult for proponents of your POV to come up with a reason that people need to have photo ID to vote, other than fantasies of "voter fraud".

People have been voting in this country on the basis of simply being registered to do so for a very, very long time, and proof of any attempts at "voter fraud" vanishingly small.

Show us a problem. Then we can talk about a solution. No problem? No solution required, because we already have one- the integrity of the average American.

SilthDraeth's argument conflating driving & voting is absurd. Voting is a constitutional right, while driving is no such thing.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

If you don't care enough voting to come up with one of the many ID options mentioned above then you probably wouldn't care enough to make an informed decision anyways.

 

[shira]

You have to have a voter registration card to vote. Everyone has to have one, minority or not. If you are able to get a voter registration card, you are able to get the updated card with the photo.

What is the problem again?

The partisan hacks on this forum really are a trip. If R's do something D's oppose it. If D's do something R's oppose it. Never mind actually looking at the issue. Just make up some bullshit and oppose it.

Voter suppression not found. This should be a Federal law. In order to vote in a Federal election, to prevent fraud (which we KNOW D's and R's are both guilty of) you must provide photo ID. This helps everyone, regardless of party.

Tell me, genius: Why is it that every single new voter ID law that's been put forth the last 10+ years has been proposed by Republicans? Is it that Republicans are just much more concerned about voter fraud, even though voter fraud based on ID is essentially non-existent in the U.S.?

Or could it possibly be the case that Republicans think that if ID laws are put in place fewer minorities will vote; and since minorities disproportionately vote Democratic, the effect of voter ID laws will be that more right-wing candidates will be elected and more right-wing laws propositions will be passed?

Let me ask you the same question another way: If it were established that the effect of voter ID laws was to suppress 100 minority votes for every 1 fraudulent vote prevented, would you support voter ID laws?

 

[KK]

Libtards want the voting to be just like they have in North Korea.

 

[glenn1]

Fine with me, SC is a conservative state and voter fraud will work just as well for the GOP in the south as it does in Chicago and other places where the dead routinely cast ballots for Democrats. Time to start bringing in some busloads of good ol' boys with no ID and ensure that the state remains permanently red.

 

[michal1980]

so now the DOJ under obama violates supreme court rulings on the matter?

PS liberals, one of your heros Jimmy Carter was for voter id

 

[Jhhnn]

so now the DOJ under obama violates supreme court rulings on the matter?

PS liberals, one of your heros Jimmy Carter was for voter id

Perhaps you'd care to cite that ruling.

 

[sportage]

The current long established regulations for voting are just fine and dandy as is.
There has not been any evidence of voter fraud intent, nor actual voter fraud.
And if one or two cases were ever discovered, that would not create the necessity to enforce such major change to guard against something that has never existed in the first place.

All of us are grown up enough to see thru this BS.
And that is exactly what this is, plain and simple.

Republicans never had an issue with voter fraud back in 2000.
They went as far as to go to the United States Supreme Court to stop the recount in a highly questionable election.
Strange, now during a upcoming presidential election cycle where a democrat will surely
be reelected, all while the republicans cannot come up with even one qualified opponent, that republican and only republican governors wish to attempt to stack the deck.
Amazing?

Republicans should be called out for what they really are...
Supporters of not just big government but HUGE government. Massive government.
Supporters of government in every American bedroom, supporters of government in every classroom, place of worship, supporters of government in every restaurant, grocery store, and every movie theater.
Not to mention, supporters of huge government in every country, nation, nook and cranny worldwide, all paid for by the American taxpayer.
But not paid for by that top 1% American taxpayer, only the lower 99% American taxpayers.
Exposed them for their willingness to shred the very constitution they claim to worship, and their intention to rewrite even single line to suit their warped vision of some self-serving divided America.
Expose them for what they are, for what they so badly want to do, not what they claim to want or claim they will do.

Republican leaders have fabricated this false voter fraud issue, just so they could pervert the American voting system to their favor.
And every one of us know that is exactly what they are trying to do, state by state.
They will never succeed...
The American public will have the last word.
And soon after, kick their bigoted fat ass out of office.

 

[bfdd]

And it seems that it's pretty fucking difficult for proponents of your POV to come up with a reason that people need to have photo ID to vote, other than fantasies of "voter fraud".

People have been voting in this country on the basis of simply being registered to do so for a very, very long time, and proof of any attempts at "voter fraud" vanishingly small.

Show us a problem. Then we can talk about a solution. No problem? No solution required, because we already have one- the integrity of the average American.

SilthDraeth's argument conflating driving & voting is absurd. Voting is a constitutional right, while driving is no such thing.

If we're going to count your voice, we have to know it's you saying it. I fail to see how this is hard to understand? I agree with Hayabusa the State should have to cover the costs of supplying the photo IDs for EVERYONE, take it out of their government employees pay.

 

[Ausm]

Searching for bigfoot, so to speak, an ontology within a non-sequiter wrapped around a faith based system of belief.

The fact that Righties will believe in it at all tells us that they've been intellectually crippled. The fact that their leaders profess to believe in it tells us that their idea of democracy isn't egalitarian democracy at all.

Republicans are spending 8 million to implement Voter suppression in my State.