Sound problem in K7S5A... Please help

VotTak

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I just got this K7S5A with 1.2G Duron and running on WinXP.
Actually sound is OK when you do not do anything but listening to the music.
As soon as you try to perform some activity the quolity of the sound become terrible.
You stop any activity and that is it.
When I installed WinXP it did found some stuff which belongs to sound although Multimedia controller was with yellow exclamation mark. So, I explicitly load "C-Media 9738 Codec Sound on board driver V0.21". Everything went OK besides the problem described above.
Any cheap solutions?
 

Peter

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Sounds like (argh, what a pun) you might not have quite the right driver. The sound engine is an SiS 7012, combined with either a Realtek ALC100 stereo codec, or a C-Media 9738 on the later 4-channel-capable boards. The driver for the 7012+9738 solution is not too mature yet, so waiting for the next update might help too ...

regards, Peter
 

VotTak

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Well I got some updates.
I tried a Vortex sound card WITH THE SAME RESULT!!!
It is so noticable!!!! I'm opening Windows Media Player and in case I see that visualisation ... the sound is like a crap... and if I covering that visualisation by other window ... sound become a very good quality.
Any input would be very helpfull.:confused:
 

Peter

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This means your graphics card eats too much bus and/or CPU time, throwing the sound streaming off rail. Try a different video card driver, and maybe update the SiS AGP driver as well.

regards, Peter
 

VotTak

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In another words... Are you saying that just simply changing my PCI videocard to AGP videocard I'll be able to use onboard sound ( or at least soundcard ) ?
 

Buz2b

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He speaketh the truth!;) PCI video card with PCI sound has the strong potential for bandwidth trouble. Not in all cases, but the potential is definately there.
 

shaunf

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I've got a sound skipping/static-y problem with my SBLive on a K7S5A. I've got the following hardware (WinXP Pro):
400W Antec PS
1.4ghz athlon
256M Crucial 2100 RDRAM
AGP Matrox Marvel g450 eTV
PCI Matrox Millenium g200 SD
SBLive 5.1 Value
Promise Ultra100
4 IBM Deskstars of various sizes - 3 of them attached to Promise
AOpen 1640 DVD drive
AOpen 1232(?) CDRW
3Com Homeconnect Webcam (USB)
Epson Stylus Scan Color 2500 (USB)
PS/2 Keyboard & PS/2 Optical Logitech Mouse

My problem is that my sound starts skipping and sounding static-y during periods of disk activity (it may be only during periods of disk activity from the Promise card, but I'm not sure) and during periods of 'drawing' on the secondary g200 display. Also, when the sound is 'cut out', mouse & keyboard input are also cut out. The mouse pointer stays where it is on the screen, even though I'm still moving the mouse. It will catch up to where it's supposed to be when the sound starts playing again. These are ways I've found to consistantly produce the problem:
1) With my secondary video card installed and active, just logging into XP will produce the skipping/static-y sound. If I move my mouse pointer around in circles during log-in, it also skips with the sound.
2) With my secondary video card installed and active, play something in Winamp, then open the Seti@Home graphic window, and drag it over to the secondary display. I get static 'chirps' every time the Seti window draws something new, but only when atleast part of the Seti window is on the secondary display.
3) Without any secondary card installed in the system (or with -- it doesn't matter), play something in Winamp and open Device Manager. The sounds gets static-y, then cuts out completely until the Device Manager is fully displayed and done refreshing. My hard disks are also intensively thrashing during the time the sound is not playing.

I used to have a non-5.1 SBLive in there, but it did the same thing. I can't get the onboard sound to work at all (system keeps freezing when I try to play any sound and I'm sure I'm using the right BIOS & drivers). I've tried a SB128, but had the same problem. I'm trying to determine if the problem is with the SBLive, with the Promise card, with the g450 eTV, or with the K7S5A. I know it's not necessarily related to the secondary video card, because I have the same problems with it uninstalled. I tried using Sonique instead of Winamp, but I get the exact same sound problems.

I have the latest official BIOS release for my board from the Taiwan ECS site (U.S. site doesn't have it). I've tried pretty much every combination of drivers for the SBLive, g200 & g450 eTV and no one combination is better than any other. I've tried going from ACPI to Standard PC mode and I think the problem actually got a little worse. I've toggled the 'PNP OS' option in my BIOS, but that does nothing. I've toggled the AGP multiplication factor & aperature size, but that does nothing. I've also made sure that the SBLive, g200 & g450 eTV were all using their own IRQ's and I/O ranges. It was difficult (played musical PCI slots for a while), but I got it to happen, but it didn't help either. This problem also ocurrs in Windows 2000 & in X-Windows.

I see something about PCI bus over-use here. Could my g450 eTV be causing some issues? Are there utilites to measure this sort of thing? Would a higher-quality motherboard help me out - maybe one with multiple onboard ATA-100 capable IDE ports? Would a non-Creative sound card work better?

I'm willing to buy other system components if need be. I'd just like a solid & smooth WinXP system with dual (or triple) display & high-quality sound. Linux Mandrake support would be a big plus too. I hardly ever do any 3D stuff (maybe one display with good 3D ability would be nice), but would like to work with video processing & possibly sound/music composition. Some way of feeding in S-Video and/or Coax would be nice too. I refuse to work with any ATI product that has a tuner on it (those products have caused nothing but headaches for me - and I've worked with 3 different All-In-Blunder lines in various types of systems & the regular TV-Blunder card) and am very leary about regular ATI display cards in general due to their reputation for crappy drivers & the fact that it takes them over a year to release drivers for a new Windows OS after it hits the street. I hear that NVidia is supposed to have some of the most stable drivers available... How are they for bus use?

Any ideas? Thanks in advance - shaun
 

VotTak

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That is correct.... You better change your PCI video to AGP video and try that.
My problems dissappeared after I did that. That might help you also
 

Peter

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That still sounds like you've got something on the PCI bus that hogs the CPU and/or chipset for too long. Primary suspect: That old graphics card.

regards, Peter
 

shaunf

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Thanks for the replies. I found a hacked K7S5A BIOS here: http://forum.ocworkbench.com/ocwbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=27&t=003724 that allows for PCI Latency and PCI/IRQ match-ups to be set. There is also a driver that needs to be loaded in order for DMA to function for the on-board IDE on SiS chipset motherboards here: http://forum.ocworkbench.com/ocwbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002018 Those two solved pretty much all of my problems and made my system a little faster. But I still get the crackling sound when something graphics-intesive is being done on the 2nd PCI display (ie Seti@Home window or Winamp plugin). I found a few sites that say the SBLive is a PCI bus hog (grabing control of the bus when it doesn't need it, etc...) and I think that's the problem. I've played with the new PCI bus latency settings in my BIOS, but I can't seem to get rid of it. This site has been the most helpful for troubleshooting the SBLive crackling problem: http://alive.singnet.com.sg/tech/click.htm I can't get the on-board sound to work, so I think I'm just going to try a different sound card in here.
 

shaunf

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Since I want to run a dual (or maybe triple)-head display, I sorta have to have atleast one PCI video card. Does anyone have recommendations for PCI video cards that aren't bus hogs? Maybe a g400 or g450 dual-head? NVidia maybe?

Or recommendations for a non-Creative soundcard that is comparable in "quality" to the SBLive?

thanks much,
shaun
 

Peter

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Get a triple head Matrox Parhelia once they're out. G450 eTV or normal G450 won't make a difference - it's the same chip, and it'll cause you the same problems.

If you want less wallet damage, use a PowerColor RV2P. That's dual head Radeon 7500LE on a PCI card. And then use its AGP twin RV2LE in the AGP slot for four heads, two DVI and two VGA :)

http://61.59.36.233/web/product_inside.asp?prd_id=RV2P

I can't guarantee the problems will be gone then, but it'll certainly be better than with the old card. I've previously had an old Mystique in, and it was unbearable.

regards, Peter
 

shaunf

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Ranger2001

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As I read this post it all makes sense now! VotTak, I have been dealing with tow computers. Both have the K7s5a Mother boards. However what seperates the two is one has SB live512 PCI card and the other is going off the interneal sound of the board. Both crackle and pop while playing back a DVD movie.

One thign they both have in common is they both have PCI graphics cards. One is NVIDIA Pine and the other is an NVDIA (notsure what the model number is at the moment)

Your explanation is perfect. I was racking my brain wondering why the DVD rom will play Music CDs perfectly yet Play back sound crappy when viewing a DVD! The Video was eating up the bandwidth for the sound! I strongly suspect after what I observed that once I get an AGP video card the problem will dissapear...

Thank you VotTak! I am one happy dude thanks to you!
 

VotTak

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Originally posted by: Ranger2001


Thank you VotTak! I am one happy dude thanks to you!

;)
I believe that your thanks gotta go to Peter and Buz2b for helping me figure it out.
:cool:
In any case I'm happy that it helped someone