Sotomayor says she was 'perfect affirmative action baby'

[AAjax]

Sotomayor says she was 'perfect affirmative action baby'

Nice quote's here

"If we had gone through the traditional numbers route of those institutions, it would have been highly questionable if I would have been accepted,"

"I have difficulty defining merit and what merit alone means and in any context whether it is judicial or otherwise, I accept that different experiences in and of itself bring merit to the system," she said.

And she blames her low SAT score on "cultural biases" that are "built into testing."

But I guess that can be explained because Spanish has no adjectives?


So, if there are race based laws they are OK as long as they support people who look the same as you?
How this woman could be seen as impartial is beyond me.

 

[OCGuy]

Thank god she is just replacing another wingnut.

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Thank god she is just replacing another wingnut.

Gosh, that has got to be a good thing :disgust:

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: AAjax

Originally posted by: OCguy
Thank god she is just replacing another wingnut.

Gosh, that has got to be a good thing :disgust:

Well that is all there really is to say on this subject before this thread descends into another affirmative action debate. I can tell you exactly how the thread will go, who the players will be, and what they will come in and say, before it even happens.


The only silver lining I can find is that this does not change the balance of the court.

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: AAjax

Originally posted by: OCguy
Thank god she is just replacing another wingnut.

Gosh, that has got to be a good thing :disgust:

Well that is all there really is to say on this subject before this thread descends into another affirmative action debate. I can tell you exactly how the thread will go, who the players will be, and what they will come in and say, before it even happens.


The only silver lining I can find is that this does not change the balance of the court.

Good point

 

[theeedude]

Rush is gonna go batsh!t when he reads that.

 

[JKing106]

She'll have something to talk about with Uncle Tom Thomas, then.

 

[theeedude]

I bet Thomas thinks he made it as far as he did due to his legal acumen

 

[Phokus]

The female panel members politely objected to her characterizations of how she overcame such obstacles, pointing out she graduated from law school with honors and was on the prestigious law review. Sotomayor countered that those were signs test scores alone do not offer the full measure of a person's capability. Test scores, she said, often can be the result of "cultural biases."

In a 1986 interview with ABC News profiling young female professionals, Sotomayor said she constantly had to deal with subtle forms of discrimination, particularly when it came to public perceptions.

"I found in my experiences that it's not that men are consciously discriminating against promoting women, but I do believe as people we have self-images about what's good," she said. "What's quote-unquote a 'good' lawyer, doctor, or whatever the profession is. And if you're a male who grew up professionally in a male-dominated profession then your image of what a good lawyer is is a male image."

Years later on the federal bench, Sotomayor said she encountered similar treatment from older white men particularly, who seemed to speak longer to her than other lawyers. She said the impression she got was that was because she was a woman and a minority.

I don't see what's the problem here, she graduated with honors and was on the law review. I don't know about cultural bias (although i wouldn't be surprised), but SAT scores, for example, are certainly biased by how wealthy your parents are.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t...ASxIbXwybezrS7J_fUQIeg

Rich black students had an even bigger increase over how well they did on their SAT's over poor blacks than Rich whites over poor whites.

I know from personal experience... i got a 1280 SAT (1600 scale) back in '96 studying only by myself and taking a shitty 1 week course at my high school... My friend, whose parents were quite wealthy, spent obscene amounts of money on a personal tutor from Kaplan or Princeton Review and he got around 1400 and he was a fairly mediocre student. He was never interested in learning shit, but he got a great education on how to game the SAT's.

I guess conservatives wished Sotomayor stayed in the slums "where she belongs"

 

[JKing106]

White people don't cheat, especially men. We're God's chosen, after all. Typical liberal elitism.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: AAjax

Originally posted by: OCguy
Thank god she is just replacing another wingnut.

Gosh, that has got to be a good thing :disgust:

Well that is all there really is to say on this subject before this thread descends into another affirmative action debate. I can tell you exactly how the thread will go, who the players will be, and what they will come in and say, before it even happens.


The only silver lining I can find is that this does not change the balance of the court.

You could write ATPN: The Drama Behind The Posters!

 

[CanOWorms]

Test scores should never be the sole factor in admissions. The reasons for the spectacular gap between the US universities and those elsewhere is because most undergraduate US schools do not look solely at numbers but other factors such as leadership, creativity, etc. I think that she is just using her test numbers and entry as an explanation to support affirmative action when she probably was a very competitive candidate because of other factors. Supporting test score-only admissions would bring us Canadian-style education, which is very lacking in reputation and quality in international circles. Schools need smart & creative leaders, not just smart drones.

 

[Genx87]

She is the Palin of Supreme Court justices. Sweet!

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Genx87
She is the Palin of Supreme Court justices. Sweet!

she graduated from law school with honors and was on the prestigious law review.

From Princeton and Yale, no less....

compare this with Palin:

After graduating from high school in 1982, she enrolled at Hawaii Pacific College in Honolulu. She left after one semester and transferred to North Idaho College, a community college in Coeur d'Alene, where she spent two semesters as a general studies major in 1983. In 1984, Palin won the Miss Wasilla Pageant,[10][11] then finished third in the 1984 Miss Alaska pageant,[12][13] at which she won a college scholarship and the "Miss Congeniality" award.[7]

In August 1984, she transferred to the University of Idaho in Moscow, where her older brother, Charles W. Heath, was majoring in education.[14] After two semesters at UI, Palin returned to Alaska and attended Matanuska-Susitna College, a community college in Palmer, for one term in the fall of 1985. She returned to the University of Idaho in January 1986, where she spent three semesters completing her bachelor's degree in communications-journalism, graduating in May 1987.[14]

Yeah, dropping out of several colleges and getting a sports journalism degree in the end.

Yeah no, you're retarded Genx

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Phokus
I know from personal experience... i got a 1280 SAT (1600 scale) back in '96 studying only by myself and taking a shitty 1 week course at my high school... My friend, whose parents were quite wealthy, spent obscene amounts of money on a personal tutor from Kaplan or Princeton Review and he got around 1400 and he was a fairly mediocre student. He was never interested in learning shit, but he got a great education on how to game the SAT's.

Similar story here. Pothead who was a mediocre student scored a 1400+. No joke.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Phokus
I know from personal experience... i got a 1280 SAT (1600 scale) back in '96 studying only by myself and taking a shitty 1 week course at my high school... My friend, whose parents were quite wealthy, spent obscene amounts of money on a personal tutor from Kaplan or Princeton Review and he got around 1400 and he was a fairly mediocre student. He was never interested in learning shit, but he got a great education on how to game the SAT's.

Similar story here. Pothead who was a mediocre student scored a 1400+. No joke.

In my friend's defense though, he turned himself around in college and he's now a lawyer, but he was dumb as fuck in high school.

Having rich parents gives you a shit ton of opportunity.

 

[Auryg]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Having rich parents gives you a shit ton of opportunity.

Don't forget that yes, rich people are generally smart (except for lottery ticket winners), and that gets passed on through genetics and nurturing.

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Phokus
I know from personal experience... i got a 1280 SAT (1600 scale) back in '96 studying only by myself and taking a shitty 1 week course at my high school... My friend, whose parents were quite wealthy, spent obscene amounts of money on a personal tutor from Kaplan or Princeton Review and he got around 1400 and he was a fairly mediocre student. He was never interested in learning shit, but he got a great education on how to game the SAT's.

Similar story here. Pothead who was a mediocre student scored a 1400+. No joke.

In my friend's defense though, he turned himself around in college and he's now a lawyer, but he was dumb as fuck in high school.

Having rich parents gives you a shit ton of opportunity.

If he made it, he wasn't dumb. He was just another spoiled rich kick, who didn't give a shit. When the folks told him the meal ticket was about to end, he got his shit together. Happens a lot. But I'm in total agreement he had advantages most people don't, i.e. tutors, family to fall back on, etc.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: Phokus
Having rich parents gives you a shit ton of opportunity.

Don't forget that yes, rich people are generally smart (except for lottery ticket winners), and that gets passed on through genetics and nurturing.

Lies. Money just lands on your lap.

 

[Patranus]

The problem here is that what she doesn't understand is that some people simply won't cut it. Not everyone is going to graduate high school. Not everyone is going to go to college. Not everyone is going to be in a position to buy a house. It is not a good thing or a bad thing, it is what it is. When government gets involved and places these non-objective *qualifications*, things always end up bad.

A major part of the economic crisis could have been avoided if government realize that not ever one should own a home. Not only are some people not able to afford homes and some are too financially irresponsible to keep a home. Historically, banks were doing a fine job weeding out these unqualified borrowers, then the government passed the "Community Reinvestment Act" with the goal of getting people who were not qualified into homes. This forced banks to lend money to people who were bad investments. To offset the risk new investments such as adjustable rate mortgages were used. When interest rates reset at a higher rate, many people ended up defaulting on their adjustable rate mortgages proving that they were financially irresponsible.

Lets take a look at the New Haven Fire Fighters. The city stated that they were going to have a test to see who to promote to captain and lieutenant. Everyone was given equal access to testing materials and equal notice of the testing dates. Some people choose to study while others choose not to study while others were simple not going to qualify just because they "didn't have it" for whatever reason - natural ability/genetics, who knows. The test was taken and the top 20 scores were produced by Caucasian and Hispanic firefighters. The scores were thrown out because no African Americans scored high enough for a promotion and the city was scared that they *might* be sued if they didn't promote any African Americans. The Caucasian/Hispanic fire fighters sued but their case didn't even make it to trial and was thrown out. It was then thrown out again on appeal - an appeals court with Ms. Sotomayor sitting on the bench. What is interesting about this case is that everyone had the same notice, worked the same job, had roughly the same income, ect...so any disparities in income which are the real reason why the SAT is considered bias is not applicable. It simple boils down to who studied the most, tried the hardest, and was the most qualified through natural talent.

What disturbs me about the New Haven case is that if there is a fire, I don't care if the fire fighter is Caucasian, African American, Hispanic, Asian, or Barney the Dinosaur. What I do care about is having the most qualified fire fighter come to my property to put the fire out as quickly as possible. If you were going to have heart surgery would you want the most qualified surgeon or a Caucasian surgeon who might be less qualified but since 3 other heart surgeries that day were being performed by African American, Hispanic or Asian?

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: Phokus
Having rich parents gives you a shit ton of opportunity.

Don't forget that yes, rich people are generally smart (except for lottery ticket winners), and that gets passed on through genetics and nurturing.

Lies. Money just lands on your lap.

In a lot of cases, it does just that. Why do you think the Neocons are fighting the estate tax so furiously?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: Phokus
Having rich parents gives you a shit ton of opportunity.

Don't forget that yes, rich people are generally smart (except for lottery ticket winners), and that gets passed on through genetics and nurturing.

Lies. Money just lands on your lap.

In a lot of cases, it does just that. Why do you think the Neocons are fighting the estate tax so furiously?

Care to be more specific?


What % of the population inherits enough money so that they will not have to do anything to sustain themselves in their lifetime?

 

[Pocatello]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: Phokus
Having rich parents gives you a shit ton of opportunity.

Don't forget that yes, rich people are generally smart (except for lottery ticket winners), and that gets passed on through genetics and nurturing.

Lies. Money just lands on your lap.

In a lot of cases, it does just that. Why do you think the Neocons are fighting the estate tax so furiously?

People want to keep their money. Such strange concept.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: Phokus
Having rich parents gives you a shit ton of opportunity.

Don't forget that yes, rich people are generally smart (except for lottery ticket winners), and that gets passed on through genetics and nurturing.

Lies. Money just lands on your lap.

In a lot of cases, it does just that. Why do you think the Neocons are fighting the estate tax so furiously?

Why should taxed dollars be taxed again? Why should my hard work pay for larger government that hardly works?

So I start a small business...a store...and that store yields an annual return of 10% and 5% after taxes. If I die and I fell into the 55% tax bracket how does my child pay the taxes? It would take about 11 years for the TOTAL income from the store (that 5%) to pay the tax bill. Since the Treasury wants money NOW, to keep the business my child would have to borrow the money at 9% (4.5% after tax). That would allow my child to keep the business but pay off the loan over 50 year but run the store for free.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Patranus
Why should taxed dollars be taxed again? Why should my hard work pay for larger government that hardly works?

with 84 posts in 4 days I dont think you work very hard. But you probably live in the south where having a sweet tea and mowing the lawn is a hard days work.