Soooooooooooo where the heck are the democrat candidates

[Hugo Drax]

Wow it seems like not much depth to the lineup.

You have sanders which has zero chance. Then the other guy and Clinton.


why is there so little interest? The republicans have 14. I wonder if they need to chop that down for the debates and stop wasting time?

It looks like Clinton has been handed the nomination and the other two are just there to make it look somewhat legit and not a coronation.

So what's the deal? Not many democrats with presidential capacity?

 

[Newbian]

Take away all the posts about trump's antics and it's about the same.

 

[Subyman]

Laying low while the GOP implodes.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Wow it seems like not much depth to the lineup.

You have sanders which has zero chance. Then the other guy and Clinton.


why is there so little interest? The republicans have 14. I wonder if they need to chop that down for the debates and stop wasting time?

It looks like Clinton has been handed the nomination and the other two are just there to make it look somewhat legit and not a coronation.

So what's the deal? Not many democrats with presidential capacity?

Even if Sanders comes in at 2nd place, the primary competitions include debates, debates are supposed to define the issues, and the issues then feed the debate going into the general election. Do you think the ACA was "all Obama's doing?" Hillary had been working on that issue since the mid-90s.

But this is still something of a puzzle to me. Who decides to run? How does the party encourage or discourage politicians from running? Why was the Democratic field during the 2008 election campaign flush with several contenders like Edwards, Biden, Clinton, Obama and a handful of others? How many GOP candidates were there? It seemed at the time that there were just a few.

But also, a party that's been out of office for eight years, seeking to shed the stigma of a Bush-league mistake, would offer more options to promote a propaganda of options -- of a big tent, so to speak.

In other words, after the Obama presidency, the opposition would want to attract as many voting blocs that might be in play. So they present a smorgasbord, so to speak.

I just don't know what sort of negotiation and trading goes on in the smoke-filled back-room of the national party and state committees -- toward encouraging a plurality of people to run.

 

[Moonbeam]

I believe that Hillary will win because it's her turn. Sanders is too principled about saving the country and too old to wait. There is only one issue and that is saving the country from the wealthy who are destroying it. We revolt or go out with a whimper. Americans are asleep, mesmerized by trinkets. From where I stand, Americans will throw their lives away, frogs in a heating pot.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I believe that Hillary will win because it's her turn. Sanders is too principled about saving the country and too old to wait. There is only one issue and that is saving the country from the wealthy who are destroying it. We revolt or go out with a whimper. Americans are asleep, mesmerized by trinkets. From where I stand, Americans will throw their lives away, frogs in a heating pot.

Basically, when someone asks a question like the OP's, they're dissatisfied with the existing options given the way they might lean come November.

I had misgivings about Hillary because of her baggage history. This, of course, is the cowardly side of my thinking, if I had perceived that all the baggage was largely manufactured. If it weren't manufactured, then it was amplified. And either way, it's propaganda.

So I'd hoped for a fresher face, like Warren. It isn't what "I" think of Clinton; it's how I anticipate the rest of the voters will incline because of the baggage.

But for a former GOP contributor -- I once did give them a few Franklins every year -- I'd vote for Gus Hall over any Republican candidate. If the Republicans nominated Jesus Christ and the 12 Apostles, I'd vote for "the other guy."

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Wow it seems like not much depth to the lineup.

You have sanders which has zero chance. Then the other guy and Clinton.


why is there so little interest? The republicans have 14. I wonder if they need to chop that down for the debates and stop wasting time?

It looks like Clinton has been handed the nomination and the other two are just there to make it look somewhat legit and not a coronation.

So what's the deal? Not many democrats with presidential capacity?

Hillary Clinton is nothing more than a corporate whore, just like all the republicans. If she wins it will just be a 3rd Obama term (Another corporatist whore).

Sanders does have a chance if people support him. He was leading the first two primary states not too long ago.

The issue is that the establishment are doing everything they can to stop the voters from being informed. They have chosen Hillary Clinton as the next president to represent them, which is why you aren't hearing anything from anyone else.

 

[cubby1223]

It's always humorous reading Sanders' devotees rationalize why their candidate will not win

Too bad Ron Paul isn't in the mix this year.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

It's always humorous reading Sanders' devotees rationalize why their candidate will not win

Too bad Ron Paul isn't in the mix this year.

So, you think Hillary is a good choice? Because that's the choice the establishment is giving you. A republican has no chance, and everyone knows it. Whoever wins the Democratic primary will be President. If it's Hillary Clinton, we are basically fucked for another 8 years. At which point, unless Elizabeth Warren runs, we will be fucked again, maybe permanently by that point.

 

[Moonbeam]

Hillary Clinton is nothing more than a corporate whore, just like all the republicans. If she wins it will just be a 3rd Obama term (Another corporatist whore).

Sanders does have a chance if people support him. He was leading the first two primary states not too long ago.

The issue is that the establishment are doing everything they can to stop the voters from being informed. They have chosen Hillary Clinton as the next president to represent them, which is why you aren't hearing anything from anyone else.

I do not agree that it is only the establishment that's at issue. Take a disease like Rush Limbaugh. The establishment gives him a voice but his message is candy to millions. It's not that the right and the left are filled with deluded imbeciles, it's that people want to be that way. They waver between hurt and angry to fearful and huddling. You can pity them but we deserve what we get.

We will do something about our situation, maybe, after it's too late, when we lost our fear of loss by having nothing more to lose.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's always humorous reading Sanders' devotees rationalize why their candidate will not win

Too bad Ron Paul isn't in the mix this year.

Because of idiots like you the country is dying. But then your ego is more important.

 

[cubby1223]

Because of idiots like you the country is dying. But then your ego is more important.

There it is, the hate and the competition that is the root of who you are! Please do explain why I am causing the country to die. I'd love to hear how I am personally responsible

 

[shortylickens]

Modern news is not about information. Its about entertainment. And the GOP is providing WAY more lulz than the Democrats or independents.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

I do not agree that it is only the establishment that's at issue. Take a disease like Rush Limbaugh. The establishment gives him a voice but his message is candy to millions. It's not that the right and the left are filled with deluded imbeciles, it's that people want to be that way. They waver between hurt and angry to fearful and huddling. You can pity them but we deserve what we get.

We will do something about our situation, maybe, after it's too late, when we lost our fear of loss by having nothing more to lose.

That's an interesting take. I am not sure we all deserve to be taken down by these gullible fools though.

Either way, I am kind of glad that I will be an old man by the time it all goes to shit.

 

[DrDoug]

Laying low while the GOP implodes.

Pretty much this. It makes sense to stand aside and occasionally comment as your enemies gouge their eyes, rip their hair, step on their dicks (and tits!), set their balls on fire and call everyone but white dudes the Devil, all in preparation for one of them to run for President.

Please proceed, idiots.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Poor Mystic! You gotta hype the sordid truth about American politics, and the oversimplification is almost sinking a bit toward the GOP level!

If it will make you feel better, I vote in primaries.

And I'd already planned to put Bernie's name at the top of the list.

In fact, he may get a donation from me if my vacant rental property starts paying again before the primary.

But I lost my virginity to the sordid facts of it a long time ago.

Even with the FEC and campaign finance reform, the game has still been rigged. The first target to hit for either Hillary or Bernie is the Citizens United decision.

But to get things done, you need a congress. Obama lost his congress in 2010. And people actually believe that failure to move ahead is all "Obama's fault." If people can't see through the Breitbart Tea-Party propaganda machine, it's their fault -- even if it's my loss.

And it's not my loss because I don't get "wonderful free s***" that the GOP pundits seem to think drives Dem voting. I gravitate away from the GOP either because they've made the bigger mistakes over the years, or because I recoil from positively crazy ideas and statements.

Let's be real. This isn't a smorgasbord! Nobody gets what they want. It's a collective decision with a collective outcome.

I want a decision-maker who appoints practical people to solve real problems. I don't want a horse-show manager in charge of FEMA. And I essentially want (at least!) anybody who doesn't play fast and loose with the Truth, like Trump.

And character counts. But character isn't about showing your church attendance, getting all righteous about evangelical peeves, jumping on the bandwagon of the latest spin-fest over some piece of news. A lot of these candidates seem bent on doing or saying anything, just to push more committed cuckoos into the voting booth.

With the system we've got, you won't make utopian changes even with someone who seems slightly utopian in their views. Too many other pieces have to fit together first. So compromise is the order of the day, and it's a virtue that seems to have fallen out of fashion, at least with the congress we've had since 2010.

 

[kage69]

My guess is in lawn chairs, with popcorn.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

My guess is in lawn chairs, with popcorn.

That's a dead giveaway, Kage!

I was just watching the same South Park episode.

Oh, hey! I've got a good one! Voting for Donald Trump in America is only almost as bad as voting for Eric Cartman for South Park class president. IN fact, the more I think about it, I can hardly tell the difference! And South Park's Eric Cartman has been "around" since before anyone thought of Trump as a political candidate.

So . . . you can suspect causation just because of the chronological order of things.

It's just like Kurt Vonnegut observed in "Breakfast of Champions." Americans pattern their behavior according to characters they saw in movies.

Wow! That's hella-lame! Eric Cartman is Donald Trump's father-image!! Oh, that's so funny -- somebody should treat me to a night at Casa Bonita!!

Ha, ha-ha-ha-haha! :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Poor Mystic! You gotta hype the sordid truth about American politics, and the oversimplification is almost sinking a bit toward the GOP level!

If it will make you feel better, I vote in primaries.

And I'd already planned to put Bernie's name at the top of the list.

In fact, he may get a donation from me if my vacant rental property starts paying again before the primary.

But I lost my virginity to the sordid facts of it a long time ago.

Even with the FEC and campaign finance reform, the game has still been rigged. The first target to hit for either Hillary or Bernie is the Citizens United decision.

But to get things done, you need a congress. Obama lost his congress in 2010. And people actually believe that failure to move ahead is all "Obama's fault." If people can't see through the Breitbart Tea-Party propaganda machine, it's their fault -- even if it's my loss.

And it's not my loss because I don't get "wonderful free s***" that the GOP pundits seem to think drives Dem voting. I gravitate away from the GOP either because they've made the bigger mistakes over the years, or because I recoil from positively crazy ideas and statements.

Let's be real. This isn't a smorgasbord! Nobody gets what they want. It's a collective decision with a collective outcome.

I want a decision-maker who appoints practical people to solve real problems. I don't want a horse-show manager in charge of FEMA. And I essentially want (at least!) anybody who doesn't play fast and loose with the Truth, like Trump.

And character counts. But character isn't about showing your church attendance, getting all righteous about evangelical peeves, jumping on the bandwagon of the latest spin-fest over some piece of news. A lot of these candidates seem bent on doing or saying anything, just to push more committed cuckoos into the voting booth.

With the system we've got, you won't make utopian changes even with someone who seems slightly utopian in their views. Too many other pieces have to fit together first. So compromise is the order of the day, and it's a virtue that seems to have fallen out of fashion, at least with the congress we've had since 2010.

Hillary isn't going to attack the citizens united decision. She is as establishment as establishment gets.

Obama didn't want to get anything done. Why do you think he 'negotiated' with the Republicans for two whole years, basically doing nothing? Why is it the policies he does pass through reek of establishment politics? TPP, Obamacare, endless wars, drugs, etc.. All corporatist.

If someone is oversimplifying the matter, and being naive, it's you.

Sorry, but the truth is there is one party now, the corporatist party. R or D hardly matters at all! The politicians are merely puppets. The "issues" raised on the corporate media is little more than the puppet show for the gullible idiots. It's sole purpose is to create an adversarial relationship between the people, thus dividing them. This way they will be too busy arguing amongst themselves about the puppet show to see the puppeteer that's really in control.

The checks and balances of power, which was originally created to protect our democracy from corruption, now enables and protects the corruption itself. There are so many corrupt individuals in office that even if you can get someone in office that isn't corrupt, they are virtually powerless to enact any change.

This is an oligarchy, through and through! You will never get anything done with senseless compromise between corporatist R and corporatist D. The only way to enact a positive change to this country is with a revolution. Bernie is trying to create a political revolution. I personally have my doubts it will work, hell even Bernie said it might be too late. But as time passes, the system will just become more and more corrupt. Citizens united is just the latest usurp of the remaining bits of our democracy. TPP is coming next, and it will be just as bad, if not worse.

 

[sandorski]

I think Sanders has a better chance than any Republican candidate. Unless something happens to raise the level of fear or outrage close to the Election.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Hillary isn't going to attack the citizens united decision. She is as establishment as establishment gets.

Obama didn't want to get anything done. Why do you think he 'negotiated' with the Republicans for two whole years, basically doing nothing? Why is it the policies he does pass through reek of establishment politics? TPP, Obamacare, etc.. All corporatist.

If someone is oversimplifying the matter, and being naive, it's you. Sorry, but the truth is there is one party now, the corporatist party. R or D hardly matters at all! The politicians are merely puppets. The "issues" raised on the corporate media is little more than the puppet show for the gullible idiots. It's sole purpose is to create an adversarial relationship between the people, thus dividing them. This way they will be too busy arguing amongst themselves about the puppet show to see the puppeteer that's really in control.

Well, I have to disagree with that. If there were a "landscape," I've been building a "site-map" for almost 20 years. Yes! Our politics are dominated by some corporate interest, and there IS an aspect of Corporatism (a form of Fascism) to the way it all works.

But there's a lot more in play. Some corporations and industries hedge their bets, donating to both sides. Some politicians simply decide what they think is best and contrary to their donors, even if the system requires compromises between various interests.

But the whole system runs on money. And you have to have money to run. Turning the 100-meter into the 5-mile marathon, you're going to look for money wherever you can find it.

If Sanders is familiar with Richard Wolfe's ideas, then he understands all of this. Just starting with the change in the Gini Index since the '50s, there is a real problem.

 

[1prophet]

Well, I have to disagree with that. If there were a "landscape," I've been building a "site-map" for almost 20 years. Yes! Our politics are dominated by some corporate interest, and there IS an aspect of Corporatism (a form of Fascism) to the way it all works.

But there's a lot more in play. Some corporations and industries hedge their bets, donating to both sides. Some politicians simply decide what they think is best and contrary to their donors, even if the system requires compromises between various interests.

But the whole system runs on money. And you have to have money to run. Turning the 100-meter into the 5-mile marathon, you're going to look for money wherever you can find it.

If Sanders is familiar with Richard Wolfe's ideas, then he understands all of this. Just starting with the change in the Gini Index since the '50s, there is a real problem.

He or she who sits by the pot eats, that is what the majority of politicians are about today and I am not talking about the ones in Washington only but many of the state and locals where the majority of Washington politicians come from,

tell the voters what they want to hear and when they get into office do what their friends and backers in high places want while paying lip service to the voters,

more and more people are waking up to that fact but it is very hard for many to overcome the Edward Bernays style brainwashing they had to undergo all their lives.

 

[Jhhnn]

Wow it seems like not much depth to the lineup.

You have sanders which has zero chance. Then the other guy and Clinton.


why is there so little interest? The republicans have 14. I wonder if they need to chop that down for the debates and stop wasting time?

It looks like Clinton has been handed the nomination and the other two are just there to make it look somewhat legit and not a coronation.

So what's the deal? Not many democrats with presidential capacity?

Awww... poor Democrats! They don't have a crowded clown car!

It's not as if you'd vote for a Democrat, is it? Of course not. But you'll tear them down if anybody will listen. When you've got nothing of substance to offer, it's your only shot.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Awww... poor Democrats! They don't have a crowded clown car!

It's not as if you'd vote for a Democrat, is it? Of course not. But you'll tear them down if anybody will listen. When you've got nothing of substance to offer, it's your only shot.

Two :thumbsup:s up.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Hillary Clinton is nothing more than a corporate whore, just like all the republicans. If she wins it will just be a 3rd Obama term (Another corporatist whore).

Sanders does have a chance if people support him. He was leading the first two primary states not too long ago.

The issue is that the establishment are doing everything they can to stop the voters from being informed. They have chosen Hillary Clinton as the next president to represent them, which is why you aren't hearing anything from anyone else.

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