soo.... whatever happened to "PC-Are-gonna-die" fan boys?

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Molondo

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I think once PS3 comes, it will be a whole new wave of PC bashing for about a month.
 
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hans007

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well i have an xbox360. i'm thinking about buying oblivion for it. it does serve its purpose, i mean it plays games, and there is no hassle, no $300 graphics card to buy, and the xbox live integration is very good. nothing to install etc.

its very mindless. its not going to kill the pc. but i have integrated video on my pc right now, and an xbox360 and combined, i think id' rather have that than just a PC witha $400 video card that will be worth $200 4 months from now.
 
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BenSkywalker

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You mean those doom sayers that were talking crazy stuff like the major PC devs are going to head to the consoles, publishers are going to start focusing their efforts on them and their sales are going to exceed those of the PC?

All of those things have happened. Carmack is now using consoles as his primary dev platform. PC gaming isn't going to die, it will just continue to be a smaller and smaller portion of the gaming market.
 
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Hersh

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They can bash the PC all they want, if they are reading this forum then you know they are going to invest in upgrades for their PC within the next 2 years and perhaps even buy another PC for their home. ;) Then we can get another round of PC bashing when the XBOX720 comes out (joke guys ;)). Of course again Microsoft will purposefully manufacture a low number of units (even though they know there is high demand) so they can temporarily inflate the value of their product.

By the way, anyone see those really dumb xbox commercials where the mom buys her three kids (a white boy, asian girl, and black man) a box of xbox games that they warn it doesn't exist and the mom laughs really weird at the end ... ? Who the hell made that commercial? Is it just me or is that a stupid attempt at a commercial?
 
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LandRover

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First of all, I am primarily a PC gamer, and have been so for over 10 years. Consoles are not really consoles anymore though. They are basically PCs. I don't have a 360, but wouldn't mind having one. And keep in mind, all the games released are first generation titles for the 360. Think back to when the original Xbox came out. Compare the first batch of games released with some of the latest Xbox titles. Quite a difference. Even now it's impressive what the Xbox can crank out, considering how long it's been around. They haven't come anywhere close to optimizing/maximizing the games to fully utilize the power of the 360. And before you mock that, just look at the specs of the 360. It's very impressive for a $400 "console".
 
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bunnyfubbles

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Since all 3 of the consoles failed to implement a physics processor (Sony wasted a whole bunch of money on Cell when a simple combination of cheap/effective CPU - such as what?s in the XBox360 - and a PPU and GPU would have done just as good if not better), I highly doubt the PC gaming industry will be significantly hurt. Now a generation or 2 from now, PC gaming might be significantly reduced because the consoles are only getting faster and faster upon debut (Xbox1, the most powerful console of its generation, only equated as a mediocre computer at the time). I?m already seeing articles claiming the Xbox 360 version of a game looks better graphically than when compared to its PC counterpart ? although PC games will catch up and surpass the 360 or even PS3?s capabilities in a year, maybe less. But if you think about it, in a next gen or two, would you rather spend thousands of dollars on multiple video cards, a CPU and PPU, along with all the other components ? or would you spend ~ $500 for a console that not only could deliver better graphics, but a better gaming experience (assuming Nintendo does start a ?revolution?)

A big reason PC games are popular is not just the KB/mouse, but the resolution. We?ve been enjoying ?HD? games for years and years, whereas consoles have been mostly restricted to SDTV.

I also think it is very possible we might start seeing ?upgrades? for consoles ? much like PC upgrades, only much less complex. Something like where you?d have ?modules? in the console that you could swap in and out core components, thus you could pay ~ $500 for a new console when it comes out, and ~$200 for a core upgrades 2-3 years later (something like a new GPU / faster CPU / whatever) so you could play newer and better games on the system after the upgrade (or just like with PCs, you could still play the new games, you would just have to use reduced settings, so you aren't being forced to upgrade). Instead of a Sony-like re-release where they took their PS1 and PS2 and shrunk them down because they could take the same old components and shrink them down ? only instead of shrinking down the old you could have newer and faster components in the same size chassis as the original. IF consoles do get that upgradeability (assuming it can be made easy, like swapping out the RAM in the n64), then I?d believe consoles could really start to inflict some damage on the PC market.

But who knows, if consoles really take such a route, then maybe its just as possible console and PC gaming could become intertwined ? where console gamers and PC gamers could play the same games and even play them together ? over the internet or whatever other conection.
 
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Fingolfin269

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'Die' is a relative term. A lot of people would argue that Ultima Online is 'dead' yet people still play it. The same can be said about Asheron's Call. They might still be in use but it doesn't mean they are vibrant with life.

I am a fan boy of gaming. To me, the worst type of gamer is a hardcore PC or hardcore console gamer who hopes for nothing but the total destruction of the other. Anyone who fits in any of those categories is a part of the problem and definately not the solution.
 
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Runes911

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Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
I also think it is very possible we might start seeing ?upgrades? for consoles ? much like PC upgrades, only much less complex. Something like where you?d have ?modules? in the console that you could swap in and out core components, thus you could pay ~ $500 for a new console when it comes out, and ~$200 for a core upgrades 2-3 years later (something like a new GPU / faster CPU / whatever) so you could play newer and better games on the system after the upgrade (or just like with PCs, you could still play the new games, you would just have to use reduced settings, so you aren't being forced to upgrade). Instead of a Sony-like re-release where they took their PS1 and PS2 and shrunk them down because they could take the same old components and shrink them down ? only instead of shrinking down the old you could have newer and faster components in the same size chassis as the original. IF consoles do get that upgradeability (assuming it can be made easy, like swapping out the RAM in the n64), then I?d believe consoles could really start to inflict some damage on the PC market.
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So your telling me that one of the things people claim will be the downfall of the pc, would make consoles better?? :Q
 
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pontifex

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Originally posted by: LandRover
First of all, I am primarily a PC gamer, and have been so for over 10 years. Consoles are not really consoles anymore though. They are basically PCs. I don't have a 360, but wouldn't mind having one. And keep in mind, all the games released are first generation titles for the 360. Think back to when the original Xbox came out. Compare the first batch of games released with some of the latest Xbox titles. Quite a difference. Even now it's impressive what the Xbox can crank out, considering how long it's been around. They haven't come anywhere close to optimizing/maximizing the games to fully utilize the power of the 360. And before you mock that, just look at the specs of the 360. It's very impressive for a $400 "console".
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so why even make consoles if they're becoming more and more like pcs? why not just buy a pc
 
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Looney

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Originally posted by: hans007
well i have an xbox360. i'm thinking about buying oblivion for it. it does serve its purpose, i mean it plays games, and there is no hassle, no $300 graphics card to buy, and the xbox live integration is very good. nothing to install etc.

its very mindless. its not going to kill the pc. but i have integrated video on my pc right now, and an xbox360 and combined, i think id' rather have that than just a PC witha $400 video card that will be worth $200 4 months from now.
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Well people more thrifty than you can say why bother buying the 360 for $400, when you can get an Xbox for practically $100 now. And even cheaper folks will say why bother with an Xbox, when you can just get an emulator for your cheapo computer, and play old ROMs for free.
 
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Eddieo

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Seems the high end PC's are still better than the next gen consoles and will only get better by the time the next next gen comes out.
 
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jjones

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I'm actually considering buying a console for the first time ever. With the requirements necessary to run the next-gen games, I'm finding it hard to justify the expense of a gaming PC. My current rig of 3 gig proc, 9800 Pro and 2 gigs of mem runs every general software program I have with ease. The only thing that outweighs this consideration at the moment is the diversity of games available for the PC as compared to what is available for a single console (there's no way I would buy more than one console, might as well just upgrade the PC then).
 
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linuxconvert

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With the appearance of the quad-SLI systems availible to the public (alienware, Falcon NW, etc.) it pretty much shows that PCs will always win. Plus there will always be the extra functionality of PCs. When you can do your homework, (or office work) on a console, then i might change my mind.
 
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CKent

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The logistics of MMORPGs mean the PC is a much better platform for them. Since they're growing so exponentially in popularity and, more importantly, bringing in many demographics rather than just the typical teenage FPS loving gamer, PCs as a gaming platform will become more and more popular as more people get fed up with the sh!tfest that is modern TV programming. I already own a gaming PC. It's nice in that it also plays music, allows me to surf teh intarweb, upgrade it, work on various projects (edit video, etc), and do just about anything else I want. Why in the hell would I buy a gimped version of it which can only play games?
 
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Dethfrumbelo

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Unfortunatley, I'm not interested in any of the various forms of button-mashing stupidity. Unfortunately, this is most definitely the trend, all looks and no brains, and pretty much all games these days are developed for the consoles first and the PC second. The selection of games that I want to play is continually getting smaller. Stupid/generic/repetitive games are bad whether they're played on the PC or on a console, so there'd be no reason for me to get a console since it's all the same sh1t.

Luckily, I can do a lot more with my computer than game. CAD/graphics (which occupies the majority of my computer time now), video/photo editing, word processing/spreadsheets, etc.
 
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professor1942

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The only thing I could see buying a console for is sports games, like NHL, FIFA etc. but the majority of stuff I'm interested in is far bettter on the PC. FPS with thumb buttons? yuck. How about flight sims or RTS games? Forget it.

Most console games are made for teenagers, which is fine but it really doesn't appeal to an old fart like me...


 
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