SONY PSP is a piece of crap

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: sirspotti

Originally posted by: Ackmed
News flash: Ded pixels are a fact of life with LCD's. 99% of MFG's dont have a guarantee for no dead pixels.

I am seriously considering selling my month old PS2 slim, GT4+Madden for a PSP. I think I would use it more.

Hope you get plenty of dead pixels since you like them so much.

I love how so many people on this board are sticking up for Sony on this one. From what I've been reading there's a really high percentage of people who got psp's with bad pixels. Most of them are from people who have had this thing preordered for months and paid extra for that useless 32mb memory stick (aka value pack) so they could have one early. Anyways, I'm sorry to all who got a defective system. And I also noticed that most who bought the import version have screens that function just fine. Way to cut costs at the American buyer's expense Sony.

You sure are dense, arent you? Did I say I liked them? Nope. I said they are a fact of life with LCD tech, which is true. Wishing bad things on others is so appealing, what are you, 12?

 

[EightySix Four]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
My PSP has two dead pixels, luckily they are stuck blue and both are in different corners. The ghosting on the LCD is fairly insane, playing RidgeRacer you get ghosting trails twice as long as the cars in front of you when you are turning if they are a decent amount ahead. In realistic terms, that is part of dealing with handhelds. I mainly bought the PSP as a MP3 player that can also play movies(picked up a 512MB mem card to go with it) and for those purposes I've been most pleased with it- leagues better then the iPod in terms of funtionality.

Obviously being a Sony product I think anyone who thought it was going to be defect free was fooling themselves, Sony has the worst QC of any tier one manufacturer and they have now for a decade or so. The ghosting is a normal part of LCDs although I must admit to being very let down by how bad the ghosting is in games. On movies it isn't that bad luckily, just in game it is very annoying.

The other major gripe I have is that the screen is unuseable outside during daylight(surprised no one has brought this up). While the styling of the machine is very pleasing, it seems that Sony took a bit too much out of Apple's playbook in terms of compromising functionality for form.

All in all I'm extremely pleased with the PSP, although I mainly bought it as a MP3 player - video secondary and gaming as a very nice bonus(the level of graphics this handheld puts out is incredible, whips most DTR notebooks by a long shot).

ROFL The ghosting is supposed to be "stylistic" of the game... Wipeout pure doesn't ghost a bit, that game has BLUR trails and is designed to look like that.

 

[sirspotti]

Ha, actually I'm 12 and 1/2. And I was being sarcastic genius.

Anyways, I just don't agree with those that think dead pixels are acceptable. How come Nintendo is willing to replace your DS if it has a dead pixel? How come Dell will let you send back your Dell-branded lcd if it has a dead pixel? Maybe because the technology has come a long way since five years ago when dead pixels were the norm. Really man, keep accepting crap like this when you shell out your hard earned coin on new products. Just be a good consumer, shut up, and take what you get. I myself didn't buy a PSP but have much sympathy for those that did and regret it.

 

[VIAN]

When I pay a larger amount of money for an alternative technology, I expect it to be flawless. Especially when some manufacturers made the decision to do away with CRTs.

Wow. A dead pixel on LCD technology makes the PSP crap?

Yeah right.

Go make your own portable gaming system and do better then. Put Sonys crappy PSP out of business champ.

Give me billions of dollars and I will.

I think Sony is buying LCDs with dead pixels to keep costs down. I think this because, just look at your LCD screen. Do you think you can divide it into many PSPs. And tell me how many dead pixel free screens you would have.

ROFL The ghosting is supposed to be "stylistic" of the game... Wipeout pure doesn't ghost a bit, that game has BLUR trails and is designed to look like that.

Leave it to Sony to bring the annoying PS2 effect to the PSP. You know, I've heard there was a decent amount of ghosting on it though from reviewers. Sony, being as cheap as they are could always pass it off as an effect.

 

[sirspotti]

btw Ackmed, I'm not saying that a few units with dead pixels here and there is unacceptable. The PSP problem is widespread and there have been many reports of units with anywhere from 1 to 15 dead pixels scattered throughout the screen. The frustrating part is that Sony refuses to admit that this is a problem and even goes as far as stating in their manual that dead pixels are not a defect to relieve them of liability for the mess they created. Yea for Sony!

 

[sirspotti]

I think Sony is buying LCDs with dead pixels to keep costs down. I think this because, just look at your LCD screen. Do you think you can divide it into many PSPs. And tell me how many dead pixel free screens you would have.

Ahh, now that's an interesting theory. You sir, might be on to something

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: lavaheadache

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: lavaheadache
I bought one from walmart and shortly noticed it had one dead pixel. I thought no big deal I'll just returned it for another one. Got home with the new one and again shortly there after I noticed one stuck on blue pixel. Off to walmart again, People there thought I was crazy until I showed them the screen. Got home with the new one and again this time It had a stuck on green pixel, now I'm really pissed off and dont want to go back to the local walmart cause I'm embarrased. I'm going to walmart a couple towns over in a little while to do another exchange. Never have I had such a bad expeience with a product. I will admit though if there were no defects with the screen I would say that psp is downright amazing. For those of you who are going to tell me I sshould just deal with the defects, I think not. Its hard to enjoy a $250 "toy" that comes broken out of the box. It would be like buying a car that comes with a cracked windshield

Wow. A dead pixel on LCD technology makes the PSP crap?

Yeah right.

Go make your own portable gaming system and do better then. Put Sonys crappy PSP out of business champ.

I have had 3 lcd monitors and only one had a single stuck on pixel. I called samsung and they had no problem express rmaing me a new monitor. I have a nintendo ds, screen is flawless. I have gameboy sp, screen is flawless. I have Gameboy advance, screen is flawless. I have been through 3 psp's currenty on a 4th to finally recieve a "good"screen. I think that the chances on recieving 3 bum units in a row means there is something wrong with the product. I'd like to see someone buy 3 samsung monitors at the same time and have each one with a stuck pixel. Although possible I seriously doubt it would ever happen.

samsung are a quality company, they have their asses in gear unlike alot of companies

Samsung makes the LCD screen for Sony PSP. So who has the poor quality control here? Samsung or Sony or both? Is Samsung giving dead pixel LCD screen to Sony on purpose or is their dead pixel free yield on these screens not that great? Or is Sony accepting screens with lot of dead pixels from Samsung because Samsung is giving them big discount to take these defect screen?

The first PSP units in Japan used Sharp screen. If you know anything about LCDs, you know Sharp is the pioneer in small LCD tech and their small LCD screens are considered the best in the industry. Nintendo used them in their past handhelds and countless manufactures of small devices with LCD used Sharp LCD screens. Sharp charges premium for their screen and I'm assuming Samsung came in to Sony and offered them sweet deal to supply PSP screens. Plus Sony and Samsung has that joint venture in developing LCD and Plasma technology. It's Sony way of catching up to Samsung since they totally dropped the ball on newer display tech and stuck with CRT Trinitron technology too long. So Sharp gets the boot and Sony starts to manufacture second round of PSP with poorer Samsung screens.

If I had to make a guess, I put my money on Sony cutting cost on these LCD screens by taking higher % of dead pixel screens from Samsung at great discount.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: sirspotti

I think Sony is buying LCDs with dead pixels to keep costs down. I think this because, just look at your LCD screen. Do you think you can divide it into many PSPs. And tell me how many dead pixel free screens you would have.

Ahh, now that's an interesting theory. You sir, might be on to something

This is the most likely reason. Samsung is probably giving Sony huge discounts to accept greater % of dead pixels on the screen.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: sirspotti
btw Ackmed, I'm not saying that a few units with dead pixels here and there is unacceptable. The PSP problem is widespread and there have been many reports of units with anywhere from 1 to 15 dead pixels scattered throughout the screen. The frustrating part is that Sony refuses to admit that this is a problem and even goes as far as stating in their manual that dead pixels are not a defect to relieve them of liability for the mess they created. Yea for Sony!

Just take the damn thing back. Let the retailer deal with Sony.

I don't believe the PSP box has a "disclaimer" stating "dead pixels" are not a basis for returning it. . .

Who CARES what the manual says?
:shocked:

 

[BenSkywalker]

ROFL The ghosting is supposed to be "stylistic" of the game... Wipeout pure doesn't ghost a bit, that game has BLUR trails and is designed to look like that.

I was just using that as an example, play the loading game for RR and you will see extreme ghosting from the 'walls' all over the screen. I think you will find that setting up a blur filter on static objects wasn't too popular during the early 80s.

 

[imported_Noob]

It heard that 35% have defective pixels.

 

[webekyle]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
News flash: Ded pixels are a fact of life with LCD's. 99% of MFG's dont have a guarantee for no dead pixels.

I am seriously considering selling my month old PS2 slim, GT4+Madden for a PSP. I think I would use it more.

im selling my PS2 for the same reason

 

[webekyle]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: lavaheadache

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: lavaheadache
I bought one from walmart and shortly noticed it had one dead pixel. I thought no big deal I'll just returned it for another one. Got home with the new one and again shortly there after I noticed one stuck on blue pixel. Off to walmart again, People there thought I was crazy until I showed them the screen. Got home with the new one and again this time It had a stuck on green pixel, now I'm really pissed off and dont want to go back to the local walmart cause I'm embarrased. I'm going to walmart a couple towns over in a little while to do another exchange. Never have I had such a bad expeience with a product. I will admit though if there were no defects with the screen I would say that psp is downright amazing. For those of you who are going to tell me I sshould just deal with the defects, I think not. Its hard to enjoy a $250 "toy" that comes broken out of the box. It would be like buying a car that comes with a cracked windshield

Wow. A dead pixel on LCD technology makes the PSP crap?

Yeah right.

Go make your own portable gaming system and do better then. Put Sonys crappy PSP out of business champ.

I have had 3 lcd monitors and only one had a single stuck on pixel. I called samsung and they had no problem express rmaing me a new monitor. I have a nintendo ds, screen is flawless. I have gameboy sp, screen is flawless. I have Gameboy advance, screen is flawless. I have been through 3 psp's currenty on a 4th to finally recieve a "good"screen. I think that the chances on recieving 3 bum units in a row means there is something wrong with the product. I'd like to see someone buy 3 samsung monitors at the same time and have each one with a stuck pixel. Although possible I seriously doubt it would ever happen.

samsung are a quality company, they have their asses in gear unlike alot of companies

thier cell phones are... ok

 

[xtknight]

"dead pixels is an inherent problems to lcds"

so how come nintendo,samsung,dell offer 0-dead pixel policies?

yeah samsung is probably offering sony discounts for dead pixel lcds. samsung is on top of lcd technology and I doubt dead pixels would be THAT common on their screens. the screens sony uses probably have dreadful response time (like 40ms.) too. it's definitely not a demonstration of recent lcd technology. not ALL lcds are like this people, so don't be misled.

everything in my house that's made by sony sucks and I'm never buying anything from them again. a sony vcr burnt up, a sony CRT was screwed up, sony dvd drive died, and I've had no sony products that haven't broken.

so many people think sony is on top of things when the fact is that they are horrible in comparison to other brands. they are just a cheap japanese brand that overprices things to make you think they are better quality than everything else.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: xtknight
"dead pixels is an inherent problems to lcds"

so how come nintendo,samsung,dell offer 0-dead pixel policies?

yeah samsung is probably offering sony discounts for dead pixel lcds. samsung is on top of lcd technology and I doubt dead pixels would be THAT common on their screens. the screens sony uses probably have dreadful response time (like 40ms.) too. it's definitely not a demonstration of recent lcd technology. not ALL lcds are like this people, so don't be misled.

everything in my house thats made by sony sucks and i'm never buying anything from them again. a sony vcr burnt up, a sony CRT was screwed up, sony dvd drive died, and i've had no sony products that haven't broken.

so many people think sony is on top of things when the fact is that they are horrible in comparison to other brands.

It sounds like you should have stopped buying Sony products long time ago. Just to offer counter experience, I'll tell you mine. I own 3 Sony TVs. One is around 15 years old Trinitron still going strong that I use in my bedroom. Also own Sony VCR that's probably like 10 years old. No problem. I also own Sony CRT monitor, 2 digicams, 2 cam recorders, countless Walkmans, original launch PS1, PS2, and now PSP. All are working fine and are excellent. (knock on wood)

Sony QA and technology isn't what it was a decade ago but their products are still excellent but overpriced. They're no longer the leader in this digital age due to their holding on to "superior" old tech like Trinitron too long but their engineering is still quite good. Sony today is clash of culture between their old engineering group that defined Sony of old and today's content business of media. Sony now makes huge chunk of profit from their movies, music, and games division.

You do realize Sony is one of the co-inventors of the DVD media technology along with Philips, Matshusita, and Toshiba and gets cut of every DVD player and disc sold. Better not buy any DVDs or you're supporting Sony.

EDIT: Also if you think PSP LCD screen is poor and not demonstration of LCD technology, show me better small screen in mass market consumer electronic product. Which you can't because it doesn't exist. You can say all the bad things you want about Sony but you have to give them props for intergrating the slickest and the best looking small LCD screen on a portable device ever. The 4.3 WS LCD is the highlight of PSP.

 

[Spike]

Originally posted by: rise4310

Originally posted by: toekramp
i don't blame the kid, if i paid my hard earned money for something, i want it to be perfect

I agree, I turned in my 2005fpw for the same reason, now I have one with no dead pixels which is what I expect. I don't care what is "normal" or "average" as that is not what I am looking for in a new product.

-spike

 

[lavaheadache]

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: xtknight
"dead pixels is an inherent problems to lcds"

so how come nintendo,samsung,dell offer 0-dead pixel policies?

yeah samsung is probably offering sony discounts for dead pixel lcds. samsung is on top of lcd technology and I doubt dead pixels would be THAT common on their screens. the screens sony uses probably have dreadful response time (like 40ms.) too. it's definitely not a demonstration of recent lcd technology. not ALL lcds are like this people, so don't be misled.

everything in my house thats made by sony sucks and i'm never buying anything from them again. a sony vcr burnt up, a sony CRT was screwed up, sony dvd drive died, and i've had no sony products that haven't broken.

so many people think sony is on top of things when the fact is that they are horrible in comparison to other brands.

It sounds like you should have stopped buying Sony products long time ago. Just to offer counter experience, I'll tell you mine. I own 3 Sony TVs. One is around 15 years old Trinitron still going strong that I use in my bedroom. Also own Sony VCR that's probably like 10 years old. No problem. I also own Sony CRT monitor, 2 digicams, 2 cam recorders, countless Walkmans, original launch PS1, PS2, and now PSP. All are working fine and are excellent. (knock on wood)

Sony QA and technology isn't what it was a decade ago but their products are still excellent but overpriced. They're no longer the leader in this digital age due to their holding on to "superior" old tech like Trinitron too long but their engineering is still quite good. Sony today is clash of culture between their old engineering group that defined Sony of old and today's content business of media. Sony now makes huge chunk of profit from their movies, music, and games division.

You do realize Sony is one of the co-inventors of the DVD media technology along with Philips, Matshusita, and Toshiba and gets cut of every DVD player and disc sold. Better not buy any DVDs or you're supporting Sony.

EDIT: Also if you think PSP LCD screen is poor and not demonstration of LCD technology, show me better small screen in mass market consumer electronic product. Which you can't because it doesn't exist. You can say all the bad things you want about Sony but you have to give them props for intergrating the slickest and the best looking small LCD screen on a portable device ever. The 4.3 WS LCD is the highlight of PSP.

Sony tv's are great I admit. PS2 definately has its short comings. PSP WOULD be great if the displays they used on the darn thing were of decent quality. Maybe the quality control department is on vacation during psp launch.

 

[cubalis]

the screen is perfect on mine, and I am posting this from my psp so it isn't all that crappy.....

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: xtknight
"dead pixels is an inherent problems to lcds"

so how come nintendo,samsung,dell offer 0-dead pixel policies?

I wasnt aware they offered a 0 dead pixel policy on all LCD's. Hows about a link for proof?

 

[edmundoab]

Well its a great hand held I must say
even though the price is steep for now

 

[webekyle]

Originally posted by: cubalis
the screen is perfect on mine, and I am posting this from my psp so it isn't all that crappy.....

how are you doing that?

 

[Gurck]

I just can't understand how people continue to buy Sony products.

 

[EightySix Four]

Originally posted by: webekyle

Originally posted by: cubalis
the screen is perfect on mine, and I am posting this from my psp so it isn't all that crappy.....

how are you doing that?

THere's news stories all over the web about how someone hacked into the wipeout pure web browser... you have to modify DNS servers to get to it though...

 

[ssvegeta1010]

So the PSP is a POS?

 

[gimps]

I work at a wal-mart up here... out of the 20 we had, 2 were returned due to "defects". Well, the first one was one small pixel, assumed it was "dead" I dunno, it was white and quite noticeable. The 2nd one was due to sound issues. There was a weird noise coming through the speakers, over the sound of games and movies.