Sony: "Only *we* have true 1080p, not those imposters. By the way, launch title Resistance: Fall of Man will be 720p."

[pinion9]

I'm waiting for Sony to come out with a list of 1080p games, for those who need it and think they are 1337 for having it. It may read something like this:


Minesweeper
Solitaire
Mahjong
Backgammon
Hearts

F'n sweet! My mom is gonna LOVE the PS3!

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Of the following launch titles, it appears that only NBA '07 is 1080p:

SCEA Launch Titles

Resistance: Fall of Man
NBA 07
Genji: Days of the Blade

Third Party Publisher Titles

Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII
Call of Duty 3
EA Sports Fight Night Round 3
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
F.E.A.R.
Full Auto 2: Battlelines
Madden NFL 07
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Mobile Suit Gundam: CROSSFIRE
NBA 2K7
Need For Speed Carbon
NHL 2K7
RIDGE RACER 7
Sonic the Hedgehog
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas
Tony Hawk's Project 8
Untold Legends Dark Kingdom

correct, SCEA's NBA '07 IS 1080p, and i have no idea about the others.. and too lazy to search the rest. I wonder if Genji is 1080p.

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Of the following launch titles, it appears that only NBA '07 is 1080p:

Which makes sense, because most of the basketball players can use the same rendered models, as they all look the same with a different number on the jersey.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: NFS4
I counter with this question. How many first party PS3 titles will support 1080p? If 1080p is a key selling point and should showcase the true hardware capabilities of the console, there should be quite a few 1080p titles on tap for release.

Honestly I don't know the answer. Do you? Just tell us. That would be something important to know for this discussion.

This is the best I could find:

This is why I get hung up on the image encoding quality of HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray. That's where you're going to see a perceivable difference. As to games, 99% of PS3 titles will natively render at 720p; the few that come out with 1080"x" support are either going to be simple classic arcade ports that don't need to render complex scenes (think the original Battlezone), or will give up a lot of in-game visual effects and simply won't look very good (hence the poor showing of Gran Turismo "HD" at this past E3).

http://ozymandias.com/archive/2006/08/1...etween-1080i-and-1080p-for-Movies.aspx

Well we are talking launch titles so I don't doubt it. Launch titles usually aren't very spectacular. Usually just remakes since there is no time for development for third partys and since noones gonna launch a console with just a couple of games.

For a historical reference, the n64 started out running 320x240, but eventually moved onto 640x480 for some games. They did this by offering a memory expansion pack. This freed up room for textures, and even allowed them to use triple buffering. But even with the triple buffering, the games ran slower at 480i.

So even if Sony were to offer a memory upgrade in the future (sounds unlikely), it would deal with the memory capacity issue, but not the fillrate/bandwidth issue. It'd still be slower, although more feasible.

 

[James3shin]

why is everyone neglective GTHD? The game ran at 1080p while looking phenomenal, what's there to hate?

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: James3shin
why is everyone neglective GTHD? The game ran at 1080p while looking phenomenal, what's there to hate?

You're kidding, right?

 

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: James3shin
why is everyone neglective GTHD? The game ran at 1080p while looking phenomenal, what's there to hate?

You're kidding, right?

No, I'm serious. Did I miss some horrifying news about GTHD?

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: James3shin
how is live 1080p while tiger is stuck at 720p? The nizzle? After seeing GTHD, I think we'll see a few games with 1080p.

he screwed up. NBA Live '07 isn't even a launch title (thats EA property), NBA '07, however, is a SCEA game and a launch title.

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: James3shin
why is everyone neglective GTHD? The game ran at 1080p while looking phenomenal, what's there to hate?

You're kidding, right?

yea James, there is the slight thing that GTHD is running on the PS2 engine, but simply is using higher-res textures and is running natively at 1080p. i wouldn't even buy the game, because its not new.

 

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: James3shin
how is live 1080p while tiger is stuck at 720p? The nizzle? After seeing GTHD, I think we'll see a few games with 1080p.

he screwed up. NBA Live '07 isn't even a launch title (thats EA property), NBA '07, however, is a SCEA game and a launch title.

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: James3shin
why is everyone neglective GTHD? The game ran at 1080p while looking phenomenal, what's there to hate?

You're kidding, right?

yea James, there is the slight thing that GTHD is running on the PS2 engine, but simply is using higher-res textures and is running natively at 1080p. i wouldn't even buy the game, because its not new.

God damn! I didn't know that, but I'm damn sure that my GT4 looks no where like this.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: pinion9
Randay...please admit you are a fanboy.

Both Sony and MS have 1080p support, yet Sony advertises how they are the only ones with it. Game developer working with Sony admits the hardware isn't good enough to run 1080p on Sony hardware. This won't change as time goes on, because the PS3 hardware will not change.

Sure, some games will work in 1080p, in the same way that my GeForce FX 5600 can run BF2 at highest resolutions and textures...if you don't mind getting 4 FPS.

PS3 can theoretically run games in 1080p, and it works with some games if they have relatively low on-screen content.

No sorry, I am not much of a fanboy. I don't see how Sony falsly advertising(I don't know this particular story but I'll give the benefit of the doubt) has anything to do with this Resistance's developers choosing 720p over 1080p. I also don't see how that is any of Sony's fault or responsibility. Seems pretty unrelated to me and I don't see how you are all getting this information that the PS3 is incapable of 1080p just from this one developers situation.

The developer could have very well went with 1080p, he said nothing about FPS or performance, instead he said it would dig into their content(read big levels) and so they decided to stay with 720p. This is not Sony's decision, so how can it be Sony's fault?

I am not a PS3 fanboy. I'm not going to stand in line for more then 1 hour to get one and I am not going to buy one off ebay. I am going to wait for them to be readily available before I buy one. I am just sick of all the undeserved negative publicity Sony is getting at every turn. Thats not to say that they aren't screwing up at all, they are, but Sony is still a great company that makes many quality products, of which I own or have worked with.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: James3shin
why is everyone neglective GTHD? The game ran at 1080p while looking phenomenal, what's there to hate?

You're kidding, right?

No, I'm serious. Did I miss some horrifying news about GTHD?

Yes. GT4 is essentially the same game on the PS2, running in high res. It completely and utterly exemplifies what is wrong with 1080p on the PS3. Sure, 1080p can be done, as long as you're comfortable with your games looking like PS2 games.

Oh yeah, and it'll also *supposedly* cost $8000 if you want all the cars. If thats not horrifying, I don't know what is.

 

[James3shin]

Hmm...now that I think of it, all racing games are pretty much the same as GT1. They just receive higher res, more cars, more tracks and a few more caveats here and there but it's essentially the same game. Pffft...I'm getting GTHD! That sh!t looks nice.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: James3shin
how is live 1080p while tiger is stuck at 720p? The nizzle? After seeing GTHD, I think we'll see a few games with 1080p.

he screwed up. NBA Live '07 isn't even a launch title (thats EA property), NBA '07, however, is a SCEA game and a launch title.

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: James3shin
why is everyone neglective GTHD? The game ran at 1080p while looking phenomenal, what's there to hate?

You're kidding, right?

yea James, there is the slight thing that GTHD is running on the PS2 engine, but simply is using higher-res textures and is running natively at 1080p. i wouldn't even buy the game, because its not new.

God damn! I didn't know that, but I'm damn sure that my GT4 looks no where like this.

Your link is broken. But looking at the other pics from IGN, it looks like the same low res textures as ever. The car models are probably interpolated to look more rounded, and since they're not really textured so much as *painted*, they look nice and sharp. But in the end, it's still a hack. Hacks are good, when you don't have to pay $8000 for them , and listen to BS about how it's revolutionary.

 

[everman]

This makes me skeptical of seeing many 1080p titles at all. Generally later titles are supposed to look better than 1st gen, but apparently 1st gen is already too much. They could probably pull it off with more texture optimization. So much for those 25 and 50GB disks...

 

[James3shin]

Hmm...ill try the link again:

Link

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: James3shin
why is everyone neglective GTHD? The game ran at 1080p while looking phenomenal, what's there to hate?

You're kidding, right?

No, I'm serious. Did I miss some horrifying news about GTHD?

Yes. GT4 is essentially the same game on the PS2, running in high res. It completely and utterly exemplifies what is wrong with 1080p on the PS3. Sure, 1080p can be done, as long as you're comfortable with your games looking like PS2 games.

Oh yeah, and it'll also *supposedly* cost $8000 if you want all the cars. If thats not horrifying, I don't know what is.

What are you talking about? Seriously, I've not heard this rumor.

 

[James3shin]

The part about owning all the cars costing $8k is speculation since no one knows the plans of Polyphony / Sony in regards to how cars will be obtained and added to a players garage. For all we know, we may start with 500 cars in the game and then Sony will start charging fees for additional cars post release.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: James3shin
why is everyone neglective GTHD? The game ran at 1080p while looking phenomenal, what's there to hate?

You're kidding, right?

No, I'm serious. Did I miss some horrifying news about GTHD?

Yes. GT4 is essentially the same game on the PS2, running in high res. It completely and utterly exemplifies what is wrong with 1080p on the PS3. Sure, 1080p can be done, as long as you're comfortable with your games looking like PS2 games.

Oh yeah, and it'll also *supposedly* cost $8000 if you want all the cars. If thats not horrifying, I don't know what is.

What are you talking about? Seriously, I've not heard this rumor.

Thats all it is, a rumor. Move along..

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: James3shin
The part about owning all the cars costing $8k is speculation since no one knows the plans of Polyphony / Sony in regards to how cars will be obtained and added to a players garage. For all we know, we may start with 500 cars in the game and then Sony will start charging fees for additional cars post release.

Which is why I say *supposedly*. It sounds pretty ridiculous to me too.

But the entire idea of it makes me cringe.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: BD2003


So even if Sony were to offer a memory upgrade in the future (sounds unlikely), it would deal with the memory capacity issue, but not the fillrate/bandwidth issue. It'd still be slower, although more feasible.

The thing about memory expansions is people don't want to spend MORE money just to be able to play a few games, and developers don't want to make a game that requires an accessory that many customers don't have. So you get a chicken and egg scenario. That's why "unique" controllers often aren't very popular.

 

[mugs]

I heard it would only cost $800 for a full set of all add-ons for the next Gran Turismo (according to the rumor), not $8k.

And of course, nobody will every buy or want to buy all of the add-ons.

I think it would be a good model as long as they give you a reasonably complete game from the get-go. Then it's basically like expansion packs are today. Expecting you to pay full price for a game that is barely playable without spending more money on add-ons won't fly well.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BD2003


So even if Sony were to offer a memory upgrade in the future (sounds unlikely), it would deal with the memory capacity issue, but not the fillrate/bandwidth issue. It'd still be slower, although more feasible.

The thing about memory expansions is people don't want to spend MORE money just to be able to play a few games, and developers don't want to make a game that requires an accessory that many customers don't have. So you get a chicken and egg scenario. That's why "unique" controllers often aren't very popular.

i spent the money to play rogue squadron

 

[Alex]

sony is pitiful

i hope these ps3s don't catch fire

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: franguinho
sony is pitiful

i hope these ps3s don't catch fire

Well, at least they're sorry for the batteries

http://dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4680

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BD2003


So even if Sony were to offer a memory upgrade in the future (sounds unlikely), it would deal with the memory capacity issue, but not the fillrate/bandwidth issue. It'd still be slower, although more feasible.

The thing about memory expansions is people don't want to spend MORE money just to be able to play a few games, and developers don't want to make a game that requires an accessory that many customers don't have. So you get a chicken and egg scenario. That's why "unique" controllers often aren't very popular.

Totally agree, but a memory expansion is a bit different from a controller. You basically NEED a certain controller to play a newfangled game that requires it, but they could always just downrez for people who don't have the memory pack....it was pretty successful on the N64 cause any game the devs made for it would still be guaranteed to work on the stock system.

The PS3 is expensive enough as it is. I don't know of any expansion port on it, but the n64 had one from the start. I'd imagine Sony would rather sell you a whole new system with more memory, redesign it, and call it a revolution. I'd also be shocked if MS didnt come out with a 360 with HD-DVD built in eventually, but unless they figure out hybrid DVD/HD-DVD discs, developers would NEVER use it, and even then, for cutscenes at best.