Sony NEX-5R vs Olympus OM-D E-M5?

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Officially decided to make the jump from my D5100 to mirrorless and have narrowed my search to these two after reading countless reviews. Has anyone here handled/used both and would like to offer their thoughts?

Ive played with the NEX-5R ($650) locally and really did like it, i just worry the limited Sony lenses may make me be regret buying into the Sony system down the road, though the larger CMOS sensor and considerably cheaper price raise my interest. No one locally here in Tampa seems to sell the Olympus OM-D ($1100), so i haven't been able to try it out but the reviews rave about the camera and I do think i would prefer going into the m4/3 system given the larger selection of lenses.

Thoughts?
 
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Officially decided to make the jump from my D5100 to mirrorless and have narrowed my search to these two after reading countless reviews. Has anyone here handled/used both and would like to offer their thoughts?

Ive played with the NEX-5R ($650) locally and really did like it, i just worry the limited Sony lenses may make me be regret buying into the Sony system down the road, though the larger CMOS sensor and considerably cheaper price raise my interest. No one locally here in Tampa seems to sell the Olympus OM-D ($1100), so i haven't been able to try it out but the reviews rave about the camera and I do think i would prefer going into the m4/3 system given the larger selection of lenses.

Thoughts?

NEX-5R for $650? that's a bit much.. well, I guess it would be OK if you had the kit lens 18-55mm

Save up for the NEX-6? Has EVF + comes with new 16-50mm power zoom pancake lens. Also has WiFi Hotspot for use with Android/iOS app, in case you were the type to transfer over pictures directly from the camera to your smartphone.

P.S. The new NEX-3N has the same 16-50mm PZ, and same sensor as the 5R/6.
 
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Those prices seem high. I've used the Nex7 and what I would really recommend you do is test one out for a while (maybe just get a good return policy without shutter limitations) since I found the size, ergonomics, but mostly the menu diving to be very annoying.

As far as whether buying Sony is a problem, just make sure you can get the lenses you want now. There's nothing wrong with Sony. I personally am happy with the Nikon system but I've used Sony and it's perfectly fine. Not perfect but they have some really cool features.
 

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the om-d body only is $950 often enough these days.

i too considered the nex vs om-d/mft. i picked the om-d for faster focusing, IBIS, lens selection. it's a fantastic camera
 

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Odd that the 5n comes with the old 18-50, the new 18-50 pz looks to be a much better size.
 

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i just worry the limited Sony lenses may make me be regret buying into the Sony system down the road,

This is warranted. Unfortunately I didn't really fully appreciate how shitty Sony's glass is, before I bought my NEX-7.

I think the litmus test for equipment is: What would you do if the $ITEM got lost or stolen?

In the case of the Sony NEX-7, I would most certainly buy a different camera next time.
 

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What is the point of going mirrorless if you are going to just use DX/APS-C sized or FX sized lenses anyway? You get more bang for the buck with free optical viewfinder, no viewfinder lag, and functional PDAF for less money and much broader lens, flash, etc. support.

If you're going to go mirrorless for size reasons, then MFT (if you don't shoot fast action) or Nikon 1 (if you do shoot fast action) may be better bets, though they, too, cost more than DSLRs and DSLR gear. And note that Canon's latest mini-DSLR is as small as the EM-5 (let's stop calling it the OM-D as that's not the actual model number) but will suffer from the same APS-C-sized-lenses problem as NEX.

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What is the point of going mirrorless if you are going to just use DX/APS-C sized or FX sized lenses anyway? You get more bang for the buck with free optical viewfinder, no viewfinder lag, and functional PDAF for less money and much broader lens, flash, etc. support.

If you're going to go mirrorless for size reasons, then MFT (if you don't shoot fast action) or Nikon 1 (if you do shoot fast action) may be better bets, though they, too, cost more than DSLRs and DSLR gear. And note that Canon's latest mini-DSLR is as small as the EM-5 (let's stop calling it the OM-D as that's not the actual model number) but will suffer from the same APS-C-sized-lenses problem as NEX.

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i don't think you really have any clue what mft lenses are size wise comnpared to APS-C.



and when i say any clue i'm being polite.


let's stop calling you qualified to speak about cameras, because while the EM-5 is known as the OM-D, you still don't know what's going on.
 

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i don't think you really have any clue what mft lenses are size wise comnpared to APS-C.

and when i say any clue i'm being polite.

let's stop calling you qualified to speak about cameras, because while the EM-5 is known as the OM-D, you still don't know what's going on.

I have owned and operated four different MFT cameras. I have owned and operated the 14mm f/2.5, 25mm f/1.4, Oly 9-18 M.Zuiko, 40-150, 55-200 (actually I just borrowed that one), 100-300, and 45/1.8. I have a pretty damned good idea of what MFT sizes are. I have lost count of how many DX and FX lenses I've used.

In general, with certain exceptions, lenses built for APS-C/DX/FX will be bigger than for MFT. There are exceptions mainly for wideangles due to the shorter register distance and with collapsible "power zoom" designs that fold out when active and fold in when not, but what I said was generally true for the same FX-equivalent focal lengths and why NEX will always be behind MFT when it comes to overall system size.

If you are unable to point out what was wrong with my post then perhaps nothing was wrong with it and you should crawl back under your rock before your embarrass yourself further with your insulting, condescending posts.
 

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I have owned and operated four different MFT cameras. I have owned and operated the 14mm f/2.5, 25mm f/1.4, Oly 9-18 M.Zuiko, 40-150, 55-200 (actually I just borrowed that one), 100-300, and 45/1.8. I have a pretty damned good idea of what MFT sizes are like, as well as DX lens sizes.

In general, with certain exceptions, lenses built for APS-C/DX/FX will be bigger than for MFT. There are exceptions mainly for wideangles due to the shorter register distance and with collapsible "power zoom" designs that fold out when active and fold in when not, but what I said was generally true for the same FX-equivalent focal lengths and why NEX will always be behind MFT when it comes to overall system size.

If you are unable to point out what was wrong with my post then perhaps nothing was wrong with it and you should crawl back under your rock.

i have to prove your point wrong?

just because you can say 'bacon is vegetarian' doesn't mean i have to prove it wrong because you believe it because you said it, so therefore it has merit and basis in reality.

you are still clueless. mft lenses are generally far smaller than their aps-c equivalents when it comes to apples vs apples. maybe pictures will help you since you seem to think you know something about photography

17-55IS f2.8 vs 12-35IS f2.8. i owned both. the MFT version is half the weight. actually a bit less than half the weight. check the specs. same speed, very comparable IQ.

MFT are like APS-C versions? sure, if you are deaf, dumb & blind and think pounds are the same as kilograms.

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blastingcap

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i have to prove your point wrong?

just because you can say 'bacon is vegetarian' doesn't mean i have to prove it wrong because you believe it because you said it, so therefore it has merit and basis in reality.

you are still clueless. mft lenses are generally far smaller than their aps-c equivalents when it comes to apples vs apples. maybe pictures will help you since you seem to think you know something about photography

17-55IS f2.8 vs 12-35IS f2.8. i owned both. the MFT version is half the weight. actually a bit less than half the weight. check the specs. same speed, very comparable IQ.

MFT are like APS-C versions? sure, if you are deaf, dumb & blind and think pounds are the same as kilograms.

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Did you even read my post? I suggest you actually read posts before responding to them. You insulted me over freaking nothing. If you weren't so new I'd simply flag your post for an infraction but because you're new, here's a friendly piece of advice: even if you are "right" about something, it doesn't give you license to be a douchebag. And in this case, you are wrong, because you fail in reading comprehension. Read my original post carefully and you will see that I was saying that if OP were considering mirrorless for size then NEX isn't going to get him all the way there, and MFT or Nikon1 is better if he wanted smaller size. I also noted that even Canon's latest mini DSLR still wouldn't get him there because despite being small for a DSLR, it still uses APS-C lenses. You pointlessly, rudely, and repeatedly insulted me for writing the truth, which you MISREAD.
 

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These are both great cameras. You will, in no way, be hampered from great shots no matter which way you go. If you just "like" one better - then go with it.

Of these two, I like the OM-D better because of the stellar primes that are available (12mm f/2, 45mm f/1.8, 25mm f/1.4 and 75mm f/1.8). However, I went with the Nikon V1 due to cheap fire-sale price...and blazing autofocus and fast overall handling that makes shots like these effortless and repeatable (both of these are single unplanned snaps, made w/o using the V1's high fps and with the kit lens):

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Battle of Newton, AL

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Hannah jumping over a crack.
 
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PixelSquish said:
mft lenses are generally far smaller than their aps-c equivalents when it comes to apples vs apples

:confused: Isn't that exactly the same thing he said?

blastingcap said:
In general, with certain exceptions, lenses built for APS-C/DX/FX will be bigger than for MFT
 
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Thanks for the opinions thus far. Also - no need to debate DSLR vs Mirrorless, i've made up my mind about this one for reasons i don't need to get into here. I went to go try out the NEX-6 and 3R last night at the Sony Store here in Tampa but alas, they closed it a week ago. Ill try out BB later today but the Olympus may be impossible to try locally.
 

blastingcap

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:confused: Isn't that exactly the same thing he said?

I even said the same thing TWICE in different words and he misread it TWICE: once in my original post, then again after he attacked me the first time. I wish people actually, you know, READ others' posts before acting like jerks towards them. :rolleyes:

Thanks for the opinions thus far. Also - no need to debate DSLR vs Mirrorless, i've made up my mind about this one for reasons i don't need to get into here. I went to go try out the NEX-6 and 3R last night at the Sony Store here in Tampa but alas, they closed it a week ago. Ill try out BB later today but the Olympus may be impossible to try locally.

Your situation and priorities may be different. I'm just telling you my own experiences and potentially saving you money if you go through a similar pattern (I wasted tons of money doing what I did). I went from a D90 to a whole slew of MFT cameras and lenses, only to grudgingly admit that MFT is still not jeans-pocketable. I downsized further to an RX100, which is a little bigger than the Canon S95/100. MFT/NEX/DSLRs offer little advantage over a RX100 if you shoot in good light and don't need anything outside of the RX100's 28-100mm range (or the LX7's 24-90mm range if you're willing to go up to that size level... I'd love that extra width but the Sweep Panorama mode on the RX100 helps soften the blow of not being able to go to 24mm, for me).

Here's the kicker: the RX100 is good even in low light, the traditional bane of compact cameras. My very first test of the RX100 was absolutely BRUTAL--ranging from near-pitch black outdoors to dimly lit indoor restaurant conditions, and the RX100 completely outperformed my expectations. A RX100 at its wideangle end (equivalent to 28mm on FX, at f/1.8) on par with a APS-C/DX DSLR + kit lens (which starts at 28mm FX-equivalent at f/3.5). Crunch the numbers and you will find that the sensor size disparity is canceled out by the lens speed disparity. The only way you can do better with MFT or NEX or DSLRs is by buying a fast lens like a 20mm f/1.7 or 35mm f/1.8, at which point you're spending a total price of more than what you'd spend on just the RX100 which includes the fast lens for free.

The RX100 isn't a complete system, however. There is no hotshoe, for starters, though you can use an optical slave flash to complement its (bounceable) built-in flash. It doesn't have PDAF. It has no interchangeable lenses and sometimes sweep panorama isn't enough to make up for it on the wide end.

Due to these limitations, I added back a second camera (D5100) for times when size/weight aren't important, and because DSLRs can still do some things that mirrorless can't (especially the lag-free viewfinder which EVFs are not going to be able to match for some time longer, if ever... important for framing action shots).

I'm not saying your shooting style or priorities are the same, but in my experience the whole pocketable-system thing is overrated for NEX, which is why I posted that ridiculous photo of the lady with huge honking setup... by the time you add a telephoto lens to a NEX, the size advantage vs DSLR isn't that much. Adding anything else like strobes just hammers home the point some more. MFT is smaller, but if you want pocketable like I did, I believe an RX100 is the best available compromise today.

If you are dead set on NEX vs MFT then I'd suggest thinking about lens sizes and selection, and how much you want/need an EVF. Don't let hybrid AF sway you much unless you take action photos a lot because no mirrorless camera has DSLR-like AF except the Nikon 1. And an EVF will always be useful due to sunglare and framing and allowing you a third point of contact with the camera to steady it. Definitely hold both in your hands to test them out first, particularly the NEX which some people feel is unbalanced, but others are okay with holding it basically by the lens.
 
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I've owned the E-PL5 (little brother to the OM-D E-M5, same sensor), NEX-5N, 5R, and 6, and tried the E-M5. I actually prefer the 5N and 6 to the 5R. Namely, the 5R feels a little cheap in some areas (plasticky shutter button, touchscreen that was downgraded from capacitive in the 5N to resistive), and its new features like hybrid autofocus and Wifi are gimmicky (don't work as well as advertised).

The NEX-6 is a much better camera than the 5R in my opinion. Even though it lacks a touchscreen it has much better build and grip, a real hotshoe and built-in flash. It's a more direct competitor to the E-M5 than the 5R.

Between the NEX-6 and E-M5, I would give the nod ultimately to the E-M5 because of 1) better selection of good lenses, 2) faster AF, and 3) in-body stabilization and weather sealing. The NEX-6 has advantages in the larger sensor, better stock grip and cheaper price, but I think the lens selection and slower AF are too limiting to consider it as a DSLR replacement. The NEX is a great second body but if you're only going to have one system, IMO the E-M5 wins out.

I'm planning to buy the E-M5 the next time the lens rebates roll out ($150 off up to 3 Olympus lenses). Right now the system is still overpriced.
 

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I'm not saying your shooting style or priorities are the same, but in my experience the whole pocketable-system thing is overrated for NEX, which is why I posted that ridiculous photo of the lady with huge honking setup...

Oh... she was holding a camera...
 

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:confused: Isn't that exactly the same thing he said?

he said it only after being called out for this doozy:

What is the point of going mirrorless if you are going to just use DX/APS-C sized or FX sized lenses anyway? You get more bang for the buck with free optical viewfinder, no viewfinder lag, and functional PDAF for less money and much broader lens, flash, etc. support.


mft lenses can't be simply stated as being 'as large' as APS-C lenses because they simply arent. based upon laws of optical physics. equivalent MFT lenses are that much smaller and lighter than equivalent APS-C lenses for a reason.

sure you can say a panny 12-35mm is heavier and as large as a nifty fifty f1.8 on FF therefore what's the point of using MFT if you are going to use a lens as heavy and as big as one you can get on FF. the problem is the panny 12-35mm on MFT is comparable to a 17-552.8 on APS-C and a 24-702.8 on FF. now you see the difference?

if you arent comparing equivalents, what are you comparing then? nothing. it's a useless point. lens size and weight is relative to what it accomplishes as a lens, with FOV range and aperture included in the equation. and as a rule of thumb, an MFT lens designed for MFT that performs the same primary functions and quality as an APS-C lens is smaller and lighter. every time.
 

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Picked up a Olympus OM-D EM-5 at BestBuy today, took it out of the box 10-15 minutes ago and really like it so far. Heaver than i expected but the in camera IS is amazing and the build quality feels great. Still debating if its worth the price tag but so far :thumbsup:

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