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Sony is jerking me around. Am I wrong here?

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: slayer202
and I'm not asking for a refund to keep my money. I want an exchange for a product that I've never used, never been able to use, and to exchange it for a nearly identical product. the agreement is surely there to cover themselves in other scenarios. I don't see what I'm asking as a lot

it's not a lot, but for you to whine and cry about sony not bending their rules for you is fucking ridiculous.

whining? I'm complaing that they can't give me a fucking break. I'm asking for a little customer service. a simple fucking problem and they can't give me any help? great way to keep customers.

sony is bullshit because this makes me seem like they don't care about keeping their customers happy.

they never told me to fuck off, that was the vibe I got from them giving me zero options to work out my problem.

If they can't give me a little help here it makes me much more unlikely to buy anything sony in the future. what if something actually goes wrong? are they going to shove some bullshit fine print in my face and feed me more bullshit?

I don't see anything ridiculous about me complaining. if you don't like it, stop reading the thread
 
ok this is pointless. all you want is people to agree with you, but your title clearly asks 2 questions which i will just answer.

1. Is Sony jerking you around? - no, not at all.

2. Are you wrong here? - yes
 
Yes, you are wrong. You bought the PAL (European) version of the game to use on a US (NTSC) PS3. Then, you proceeded to buy DLC for the US version of the game from the US PSN Store, while buying said European version of the game to save a few bucks. So, you didn't do your research (Region-locking has been around in video games for...well, a very long time), bought the wrong product in order to save a couple dollars (why would you buy a European game to use on a US PS3?), and somehow Sony is "jerking you around"?

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tip for you guys, don't start a business


there is no reason that they shouldn't want to help me out to make me a happy customer.
 
Originally posted by: slayer202
tip for you guys, don't start a business


there is no reason that they shouldn't want to help me out to make me a happy customer.

So they should take a loss and break their own policies simply because you didn't bother to make an informed purchase? Boy, what a lovely precedence that would set!

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You just made a poor decision, but don't want to take responsibility for it, hence passing the buck...it's Sony's fault, it's this store's fault, etc., but definitely not yours!

:roll:
 
You bought a game intended for another region, something they don't want you to do, and then because of that you screwed up and bought the wrong DLC, and you want Sony to spend time (time == money) fixing your screw-up.

There's a reason why this stuff is only supposed to be used in its intended region...

Tip for you - no one actually believes that the customer is always right. The customer is usually wrong, and then gets really pissed off and blames their mistakes on the company.
 
HUGE loss, yes. what loss? I just want the shit switched. or a refund so I could buy the same thing again. hell, I might have to pay the euro or pound value and it will cost me more.

lost time? I could waste more time just emailing them every day if I wanted.


and the policy clearly did not have this scenario in mind when it was written. I would say this is an unlikely scenario.

look, you guys can tell me its my fault all day, but I disagree and I think it is unlikely you are going to change my mind.


I never claimed I didn't make a mistake. I'm just saying it should be a simple decision for sony to just fix it. without customers, a company is nothing...

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It's not a simple mistake for Sony to fix, because, IIRC, the Euro, American, and Japanese PS stores are under different product groups. This was one of the reasons that getting content out on PSN was a nightmare until recently.
 
Originally posted by: slayer202
HUGE loss, yes. what loss? I just want the shit switched. or a refund so I could buy the same thing again. hell, I might have to pay the euro or pound value and it will cost me more.

lost time? I could waste more time just emailing them every day if I wanted.


and the policy clearly did not have this scenario in mind when it was written. I would say this is an unlikely scenario.

look, you guys can tell me its my fault all day, but I disagree and I think it is unlikely you are going to change my mind.


I never claimed I didn't make a mistake. I'm just saying it should be a simple decision for sony to just fix it. without customers, a company is nothing...

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And you're all of a suddenly an expert on how Sony's systems and operations work behind the scenes in order to make the assertion that it would be a "simple" fix?

:roll:

You bought a version of a game intended to be used in Europe with the European PSN Store, but you bought DLC for the US version of the game through the US PSN Store. Sony's policy is very clear about matters such as this, as posted and bolded in a previous post.

How is Sony in the wrong again?

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You're not going to get any sympathies from most of the people here, nor from other places for that matter.

Similar mistake some guy did when he tried to get DLC for Fallout 3. He has Fallout for PC. They had some promotion or something with Microsoft, somehow he got confused with Games for Windows and Xbox, so he thought he had to buy a Xbox points card, so he can buy the DLC and ended up somehow getting the Xbox DLC. They did not refund his money for the DLC, nor for the points card. He kept hearing it from them on why he got the Xbox DLC. So after many phone calls, many days/weeks later, he just admitted that he screwed up, stop getting angry and just learn to read the description a little better. Lesson learned. Done. I think he posted on guru3d. I don't recall.

About region specific DLC, in the US we may not find Sackboy with a turban and goatee offensive and can get the costume. Well, in the middle eastern countries, it might be offensive, so you won't find that available there. In China, they have some weird censorship of showing bones and skeletons, so you're not going to have a DLC of Sackboy in a (as a made up example) Halloween skeleton outfit.

So as a company, as many people have already said, Sony is not screwing you over. Buy any DLC from any company, and if you bought the wrong one, I've never heard of a company offering to refund or give you the correct DLC.

You made a mistake. Take your losses, or reduce your loss as they mentioned.
 
Hmm, I've never had this happen to me, and I used to buy from Gogamer all the time. Sounds like you been ... HOOAH ... thunderscammed!
 
Just to answer the thread title in case it wasn't clear. Yes, you're wrong here. Trade/sell your pal version for a NTSC version. Problem solved.
 
Originally posted by: erwos
It's not a simple mistake for Sony to fix, because, IIRC, the Euro, American, and Japanese PS stores are under different product groups. This was one of the reasons that getting content out on PSN was a nightmare until recently.

Exactly. You assume it's a simple fix but it's not. The stores are managed by different groups, so what you're essentially asking for is for the US store to give you a straight refund. Then you'll repurchase from the EU store which is a separate entity.

One problem, they don't do refunds, which they clearly state before you make the purchase in the first place. This isn't a simple problem, and there's no reason to expect Sony to go so far out of their way to correct a problem that is 100% your fault. They don't give refunds, and they're not going to change the policy to "no refunds except if you buy the wrong version of the game to save a few bucks and then make the mistake of buying from the wrong store for your game."

The last thing they want to do is encourage people to do what you did.
 
Originally posted by: yowolabi

The last thing they want to do is encourage people to do what you did.

This is essentially what it boils down to.
They aren't going to bend the rules to appease someone who will probably get on the internet and say "look what Sony did for me!".
In Sony's eyes it would be equivalent to saying "go ahead and buy whatever region games you wants, if you need to exchage them later on, that's ok with us!"
To you (OP) it's a single case of trading a PAL game for an NTSC one to make you happy.
To them it's a potential start of an epidemic they don't want to deal with (and shouldn't have to, IMO).
 
If you used a credit card maybe try to dispute the charges. Otherwise, the only way is to try some social engineering and talk to someone over the phone. When you are nice to the CSR they usually find a way to help you out. If you can't get it done, you shouldnt be pissed, as you are trying to do something that you shouldnt be able to do.
 
1. OP is not entitled to a refund. Explicit policy states this and no law in the US states Sony is entitled to refund except under extenuating circumstances such as clear safety hazard. As far as I know, no company is required to provide refunds for purchases which do not represent a public hazard or fall under specific laws like those governing lemons. Any complaints about "lack of customer service" generally stems from some unknown reason US customers believe they are entitled to special treatment. In some other, more civilized, consumer markets, when the customer makes a mistake, the customer accepts the mistake, tries to rectify it, and takes it as a lesson learned if there is no recourse.

2. Region locking serves two purposes: pad corporate wallets and prevent litigation. While the first is considered a vile, but valid, business practice, the second is there to ensure the company doesn't run afoul of the various copyright, trademark, patent, trade, intellectual property, etc. laws for the specified region. Not to mention the various sensitivities of the people who live in the region. All of this combines into one big daily headache for international corporations and explains the need for some of them to indulge in creating child corporations in foreign markets that are run with a large degree of independence but are also controlled through shareholdings by the parent.

3. In general, anything involving commercial transactions has hidden fees, policies, or laws which the consumer will most likely never know. For computer products including software, that extends to functionality, production quirks, export laws (yes, some programs cannot be sold overseas) and other excess baggage that come with the product. In fact, hardware and software, even when sold together and non-functional without the other, are technically separate products.

4. If the above bothers you to any extent, feel free to help overturn the existing laws which govern commercial interests, including international law. However, do bear in mind that creating one set of universal law usually results in a toothless policy for the same reasons as those illustrated above. If you feel that what you believe is the right way to conduct business and should be codified/enforced, then I would be quite surprised if you complain when you yourself are forced to adhere to the current situation.
 
Originally posted by: RedRooster
Why'd you buy the PAL version?

PC games imported from the UK tend to be cheaper than US versions (see gogamer's imports), I assume that this is true for console games as well.
 
I wonder if the OP even cares anymore?

I can imagine him "ffkk you AT posters. Nobody understands me. I hate you Sony Sackboy! I hate you! I have my own pal sackboy that I'm going to play with that always agrees with me." :laugh: :laugh:


oh man, it's getting late at the office, I should go home...LOL
 
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