Sony gets closer to break even point with PS3

Dari

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All these talks of losing money per hardware masks the fact that, in addition to royalties per game, SONY is getting paid on royalties per blu-ray hardware and software licensed to other manufacturers and publishing companies, respectfully, their primary reason for including blu-ray in the PS3 and pushing it so hard. It may not show up in the numbers from their computer entertainment division, but I'm sure a lot of other divisions are very happy. Same thing with the Cell processor...
 

Kromis

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Good, good. I'll probably buy a PS3 when it reaches one hundred ninety-nine American dollars
 

Slick5150

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All these talks of losing money per hardware masks the fact that, in addition to royalties per game, SONY is getting paid on royalties per blu-ray hardware and software licensed to other manufacturers and publishing companies, respectfully, their primary reason for including blu-ray in the PS3 and pushing it so hard. It may not show up in the numbers from their computer entertainment division, but I'm sure a lot of other divisions are very happy. Same thing with the Cell processor...

Uh, Sony's lost a fortune on Blu-Ray thus far. Not even including that bazillions of dollars they paid to studios to support it over HD-DVD.
 

Looney

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All these talks of losing money per hardware masks the fact that, in addition to royalties per game, SONY is getting paid on royalties per blu-ray hardware and software licensed to other manufacturers and publishing companies, respectfully, their primary reason for including blu-ray in the PS3 and pushing it so hard. It may not show up in the numbers from their computer entertainment division, but I'm sure a lot of other divisions are very happy. Same thing with the Cell processor...

The PS3 is not the first console to lose money on sales of the console in order to makeup for it through sales of games.
 

Dari

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Uh, Sony's lost a fortune on Blu-Ray thus far. Not even including that bazillions of dollars they paid to studios to support it over HD-DVD.

Proof that they're losing money on blu-ray? The only company I remember paying up was Toshiba.

The PS3 is not the first console to lose money on sales of the console in order to makeup for it through sales of games.

Sony started that trend with their PS1.
 

Drako

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I'm calling BS on those numbers-

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106325

As a singular example. I, as an end consumer, can buy a later generation faster OEM drive for less money then Sony spends for bulk? No. They may still be losing $300 per PS3 sold, but the numbers that that particular breakdown is using is a joke.

Those numbers look pretty reasonable to me. You do realize the drive you picked is a full height drive, not a laptop drive. The $66.00 they show is reasonable for wholesale large qty.
 

BenSkywalker

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The $66.00 they show is reasonable for wholesale large qty.

The drive I linked is built by Sony, sold to Lite On, sold to New Egg, then sold to the customer. No, $66.00 isn't reasonable at all.
 

gorcorps

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Everyone always says that, and every time I ask for proof from a reliable source and I never get a response. I think Dari is right.

Not that I have a source, but I remember reading that older nintendo consoles (NES and SNES) initially sold for a loss. The difference is that those consoles weren't selling for a loss very long compared to current gen, and even PS1.
 

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rancherlee

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I think the Only reason Bluray made it WAS the PS3. The Xbox 360 was suppose to come with HD-DVD right out of the gate but Microsoft was in a hurry to get a jump on Sony and pushed the 360 out with a regular DVD drive since neither HD-DVD or Bluray were ready at the time. I don't think Sony will turn a profit on Blu-ray before digital streaming takes over.
 

Dari

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Well, this link only references the final deal they made in which they paid $400 million to Warner Bros to go Blu-Ray exclusive. That's the one that put the nail in HD-DVD, but there had been previous deals with other studios as well.

http://www.hdtvinfo.eu/news/hd-video-formats/sony-paid-400-million-for-blu-ray-deal-with-warner.html

That sounds like speculation. Unless you have proof, I doubt it. Besides, at the time, Blu-ray had a 75% market share outside of the United States. Warner Bros was producing content for both media and they noticed this. Yeah, it was dominating in all regions except America where HD-DVD was more competitive (just like the XBOX is today).
 

Pepsei

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ps3 is still unmoddable to the general public unlike wii or xbox360. i guess the hackers gave up.
 

zerocool84

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I think the Only reason Bluray made it WAS the PS3. The Xbox 360 was suppose to come with HD-DVD right out of the gate but Microsoft was in a hurry to get a jump on Sony and pushed the 360 out with a regular DVD drive since neither HD-DVD or Bluray were ready at the time. I don't think Sony will turn a profit on Blu-ray before digital streaming takes over.

The PS3 is helping Blu-ray like the PS2 helped DVD. DVD got a HUGE push specifically cus of the PS2.
 

herkulease

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ps3 is still unmoddable to the general public unlike wii or xbox360. i guess the hackers gave up.

I haven't read of any ps3 mods.

Its not that hackers gave up. Why spend time or at least significant time on something when the 360 and wii are much easier to mod.

Sooner or later a mod chip will come around.
 

Dari

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I haven't read of any ps3 mods.

Its not that hackers gave up. Why spend time or at least significant time on something when the 360 and wii are much easier to mod.

Sooner or later a mod chip will come around.

Haha, what a weak cop-out. Modders range from professionals to kids with time on their hand. Some do it for money, others for bragging rights (or a combination of both). I doubt that's the reason why there aren't any. I'm sure everyone has tried but SONY managed to make it extremely difficult for modders this time (something the other two console makers would be very interested in).
 

Sahakiel

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Haha, what a weak cop-out. Modders range from professionals to kids with time on their hand. Some do it for money, others for bragging rights (or a combination of both). I doubt that's the reason why there aren't any. I'm sure everyone has tried but SONY managed to make it extremely difficult for modders this time (something the other two console makers would be very interested in).

PS3 is as vulnerable as Wii and 360. The simplest method is basically the disc swap method carried over from the PS2. The only reason copying isn't as rampant for the PS3 is the cost of BD-R.
As far as I know, nobody has figured out copying games to the HD for either platform. So, it's mainly a question of whether modders will figure out HD game loading before BD media becomes cost effective.