Sony Blue Ray - First Pics

[Bozo Galora]

http://cdrinfo.com/Sections/Ne...ails.aspx?NewsId=12089

looks like disc has its own carrier???

 

[imported_Bleh]

Reminds me of a big floppy cept it can hold 50 gigs

 

[Pnoy02]

Can you say ZIP DRIVE II ?

 

[slash196]

Looks like a cross between a ZIP disc and an old school CD-ROM with its own plastic case. I think they should ditch the case, frankly, but maybe scratches affect it more because it's so dense.

 

[NightCrawler]

Wonder how much the first gen will cost?

 

[archcommus]

I wonder when the drives will be released, when the set-top players will be released, and when DVD movies will STOP being released.

 

[Baked]

Well, as long as it doesn't die like all my Zip disks, it's all good.

 

[imported_waldo]

Originally posted by: archcommus87
I wonder when the drives will be released, when the set-top players will be released, and when DVD movies will STOP being released.

You can count on it taking 2 years before it is released to the public, a good 4 before it hits a price point that you want to buy it for, and DVD's will be around at least 10, if not longer

 

[archcommus]

No way. I'd cut all your numbers in half if I was guessing.

 

[SuperFreaky]

Originally posted by: waldo

Originally posted by: archcommus87
I wonder when the drives will be released, when the set-top players will be released, and when DVD movies will STOP being released.

You can count on it taking 2 years before it is released to the public, a good 4 before it hits a price point that you want to buy it for, and DVD's will be around at least 10, if not longer

I don't know about 2 years till a release... I would guess this Xmas or early next year because:
There are 2 competing formats (HD and Blu-ray), 1st to market would be a nice advantage
Both formats now have a method for adding a 2nd layer to a regular DVD (easy market transition)
The Xbox 2 may use HD-DVD or Blu-ray and should be out this year
The PS3 will use Blu-Ray and will not want to give Xbox 2 much of a head start

 

[Malak]

Looks cool. No more scratched cds. No more 10 disc DVD collections D:

 

[StageLeft]

Lame. If this crap requires cases it will not be adopted by the general public. No way in hell. I know that blu-ray and HD-DVD do not need cases, so I'm not sure why this lamo solution has them.

Both formats now have a method for adding a 2nd layer to a regular DVD (easy market transition)

Apparently it's stuck with dvd5, which means that the person buying the combo disk now loses quality over a typical dual layer DVD. I think the combination disks are a farce.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: slash196
Looks like a cross between a ZIP disc and an old school CD-ROM with its own plastic case. I think they should ditch the case, frankly, but maybe scratches affect it more because it's so dense.

TDK has a new virtually-impenetrable coating made for blue-ray, but I don't think they're getting it to market for another 6 months, hence the need for caddies right now.

 

[ArneBjarne]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Lame. If this crap requires cases it will not be adopted by the general public. No way in hell. I know that blu-ray and HD-DVD do not need cases, so I'm not sure why this lamo solution has them.

Both formats now have a method for adding a 2nd layer to a regular DVD (easy market transition)

Apparently it's stuck with dvd5, which means that the person buying the combo disk now loses quality over a typical dual layer DVD. I think the combination disks are a farce.

No, JVC has developed a BD/DVD9 combodisc, 1 BD layer and 2DVD layers on a single side. They also have 2BD/2DVD layer version in the works.

 

[Bozo Galora]

arguing at CES to stop format wars
http://cdrinfo.com/Sections/Ne...ails.aspx?NewsId=12113

Commenting on the split between major Hollywood studios on the HD DVD and Blue-ray Disc systems, Chapek stressed that the two parties should make concessions in order to avoid a formats war.

He said the DEG members, who are evenly divided on the formats battle, are in the best position to prevent the formats war so to save a lot of money that could be wasted if a future war breaks out.

At the same DEG meeting, former Sony executive Ron Boire echoedChapek's unification call, saying that because consumers need a single format of the new generation of DVD, industry leaders should work together to unify the HD DVD/Blue-ray formats.

Several Hollywood entertainment companies are planning to release more than 50 titles of movies in HD DVD format in the nearfuture.

To offer a technological solution to the possible formats war, Japanese company JVC unveiled at the CES a non-recordable hybrid disc featuring an integration of HD DVD/Blue-ray formats. The new DVD has three layers, dual DVD-layers topped by a 25GB high-definition Blue-ray layer for a total of 33.5GB capacity.

JVC company also said it is working on a four-layer disc providing two Blue-ray layers and two DVD layers for a total of 58.5GB of storage capacity.

 

[bigboxes]

Looks like it will be expensive media (i.e. Zip Disks). I don't see most people adopting this format. HD DVD sounds like the way to go. Compatible with existing media so there will be less costs.

 

[slash196]

Wait, I read it again. Appearantly, only the rewritable media will be cartidged. I guess the read-only disks will be bare discs. Of course, that means you'd have to get two drives, one to play and one to write...

 

[ArneBjarne]

Originally posted by: slash196
Wait, I read it again. Appearantly, only the rewritable media will be cartidged. I guess the read-only disks will be bare discs. Of course, that means you'd have to get two drives, one to play and one to write...

They will NOT require require cartridges, and there will be recorders that can play and record both BD and DVD:

"They were also showing BD-RE discs (with and without cartridges), a high precision laser pickup unit, and a single objective lens (NA of 0.95). "


"At the Pioneer booth they were showing their prototype Blu-ray Disc recorder, as well as a DVD±R/RW compatible Blu-ray Disc drive for PC usage. The drive records BD-R at 2x speed, BD-RE at 2x speed, DVD±R at 8x speed and DVD±RW at 4x speed. The drive can also read BD-ROM, DVD and DVD-RAM discs."

"TDK offered demonstrations of Sony's BDZ-S77 Blu-ray Disc recorder in action at their booth. They were also displaying 25GB and 50GB discs which don't require a cartridge as they use the new TDK hard-coat. The company is one of the driving forces behind the development of a new hard-coating technology that makes Blu-ray Discs more resistent to scratches and fingerprints. With the new hard-coat applied the discs will be more durable than DVDs and they won't require a cartridge."

http://www.blu-ray.com/ceatec2004/

 

[0roo0roo]

i don't think there will be a caddy if they adopt tdk's new protective coating which is stronger then tdk's current armor coating....which can take concrete scrapes without problem and resists ink/fingerprints.

 

[0roo0roo]

http://www.dvd-recordable.org/Article1743.phtml
Blu-ray Disc Maker To 'Abolish Cartridges'
Posted Jan 12, 2005 - 05:15 AM
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Latest News TDK pledged to render recordable Blu-ray Discs more resilient yesterday when it announced a new coating material that it claims eliminates the need for protective cartridges.

The material, dubbed Durabis, makes BD-R and BD-RE (rewriteable) discs significantly more resistant to scratches, TDK claimed. Durabis also contains anti-static and anti-grease substances which reduce the data-corrupting effects of dust and fingerprints, again improving BD-RE's suitability for use without a cartridge.

The need for such protection is seen as one of the barriers to the acceptance of BD-RE as a storage format. Where once even regular CDs needed to be inserted into CD drives in a cartridge, now consumers have become accustomed to using all optical discs without them.

Cartridges are not part of the BD spec, but such is the much greater risk of data corruption from dirt and scratches with any blue-laser format - compared to red-laser CD and DVD rewriteable discs, with their much larger data-spot size, hence the lower capacity - that most if not all putative BD-RE drives force the use of protective cartridges on the user.

TDK plans to ship BD-RE discs in the US later this year.

Story source: theregister.co.uk.

 

[0roo0roo]

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/blu-ray.htm

 

[archcommus]

I haven't heard much about HD DVDs. How do they compare in terms of capable quality and storage capacity?

Please don't tell me we'll be seeing discs released on two different mediums, that's fvcking gay. What reason is there not to just convert everything to BD?

Either way, I'm sure a lot of DVD players were purchased this past Christmas. Hopefully we'll still see DVD releases into next year.

 

[0roo0roo]

hddvd stores less. they claim cheaper..but when do cost savings ever get passed onto consumers ..esp with new tech lol

more room to breath the better..for stuff like long movies and seamless branching...and who knows what features in the future.