Sony Admits PS3 Delay Possible

[Soccerman06]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: slayer202
MGS4 + DMC4 + GT5 > 360

Playing 360 now >>>>>>> thinking about MGS4 + DMC4 + GT5

Yah what super awsome games are you playing that cant be played on computer?

I'm playing a buncha games that can't be played on MY computer unless I spent about $400 in updates on it to play it on a 19" LCD w/2.1 sound in a chair, whereas I (didnt spend $400 cause I won a 360) can play my 360 on my 50" DLP w/5.1 sound on my couch w/no wires involved.

Not to mention, I can play Fight Night Round 3 on my 360 and not on a PC, and I can play GR:AW in 8 days on my 360 and will have to wait a few months to play it on PC (since it was just announced to be delayed).

Not my fault you cant play them on your computer, or maybe your just too picky about your settings, who cares if the game is at 800x600 and no aa/af, its the same damn game. I could go home and hook up my computer to my dad's DLP and stereo and have a 62" 1080P system w/surround sound but that means i have to drie 200+ miles to do it, so I cant really do that.

I guess I should clarify a great game: Game that has better/same gameplay and replayabilty than Halo did when it first came out. I have yet to see any game like that for the 360, If Halo 3 is actually that good, I might buy the 360, but I got no money for the system or even online play.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: slayer202
MGS4 + DMC4 + GT5 > 360

Playing 360 now >>>>>>> thinking about MGS4 + DMC4 + GT5

Yah what super awsome games are you playing that cant be played on computer?

I'm playing a buncha games that can't be played on MY computer unless I spent about $400 in updates on it to play it on a 19" LCD w/2.1 sound in a chair, whereas I (didnt spend $400 cause I won a 360) can play my 360 on my 50" DLP w/5.1 sound on my couch w/no wires involved.

Not to mention, I can play Fight Night Round 3 on my 360 and not on a PC, and I can play GR:AW in 8 days on my 360 and will have to wait a few months to play it on PC (since it was just announced to be delayed).

Not my fault you cant play them on your computer, or maybe your just too picky about your settings, who cares if the game is at 800x600 and no aa/af, its the same damn game. I could go home and hook up my computer to my dad's DLP and stereo and have a 62" 1080P system w/surround sound but that means i have to drie 200+ miles to do it, so I cant really do that.

when did i say it was your fault? never. you asked a question and i answered it.

 

[TGS]

Didn't you know PC's have no compatilibity with larger displays like the 360 does? I thought everyone knew that.

I seriously don't understand why people say playing <game system> on a <large display>. If you couldn't do that on a PC.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: slayer202
MGS4 + DMC4 + GT5 > 360

Playing 360 now >>>>>>> thinking about MGS4 + DMC4 + GT5

Yah what super awsome games are you playing that cant be played on computer?

Project Gotham Racing 3 and Fight Night R3 on a glorious 60" HDTV.

Don't forget about Condemned: Criminal Origins, Kameo: Elements of Power, and Full Auto.
Even though I certainly wouldn't call Full Auto "super awesome" by any means... It is a very fun game, especially in multiplayer.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
...or maybe your just too picky about your settings, who cares if the game is at 800x600 and no aa/af, its the same damn game.

Maybe it's the "same damn game"... But it definitely isn't the same damn experience.

Originally posted by: TGS
Didn't you know PC's have no compatilibity with larger displays like the 360 does? I thought everyone knew that.

I seriously don't understand why people say playing <game system> on a <large display>. If you couldn't do that on a PC.

Again, it's not the same experience.

Both the PC and the 360 have great games... But they offer very different gaming experiences.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
...or maybe your just too picky about your settings, who cares if the game is at 800x600 and no aa/af, its the same damn game.

Maybe it's the "same damn game"... But it definitely isn't the same damn experience.

Originally posted by: TGS
Didn't you know PC's have no compatilibity with larger displays like the 360 does? I thought everyone knew that.

I seriously don't understand why people say playing <game system> on a <large display>. If you couldn't do that on a PC.

Again, it's not the same experience.

Both the PC and the 360 have great games... But they offer very different gaming experiences.

I don't understand why PC gamers can't understand this ...

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: slayer202
MGS4 + DMC4 + GT5 > 360

Playing 360 now >>>>>>> thinking about MGS4 + DMC4 + GT5

Yah what super awsome games are you playing that cant be played on computer?

Project Gotham Racing 3 and Fight Night R3 on a glorious 60" HDTV.

Don't forget about Condemned: Criminal Origins, Kameo: Elements of Power, and Full Auto.
Even though I certainly wouldn't call Full Auto "super awesome" by any means... It is a very fun game, especially in multiplayer.

I enjoy DOA4, xbox arcade, and NFS:MW

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Gee, anyone totally unsurprised by this "shocking announcement"? 😛

- M4H

YES! not really

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
...or maybe your just too picky about your settings, who cares if the game is at 800x600 and no aa/af, its the same damn game.

Maybe it's the "same damn game"... But it definitely isn't the same damn experience.

Originally posted by: TGS
Didn't you know PC's have no compatilibity with larger displays like the 360 does? I thought everyone knew that.

I seriously don't understand why people say playing <game system> on a <large display>. If you couldn't do that on a PC.

Again, it's not the same experience.

Both the PC and the 360 have great games... But they offer very different gaming experiences.

I don't understand why PC gamers can't understand this ...

When I do either, as in I do both console and PC gaming, you can see the quality of games visual on the PC come natively as of late of a greater quality. Whereas a console you pop in a game, with minimal fuss can load an old save game and get back into play very quickly.

Though visually not a single 360 title is graphical stunning enough to say that it if ported (if an exclusive title, which by the way is a reason for exclusive titles [you wouldn't want the PC game sales to cannibalize the console sales, being that is where the profits from Xbox and PS's come from]), the PC couldn't handle the task. Certainly the graphics on a console have been brought up a notch but neither is going to destroy the others segment.

Consoles are far and away much easier to get into for gameplay. While PC's allow for *very* high end resolutions and eye candy settings. Though the problem with that is configuration of the PC OS and the cost of the PC hardware. Though you gain expandibility the cost of the PC is much more expensive than the equivalent console counterpart.

Honest question. What experience does a console offer that makes it the "Superior" platform? I think both have pros and cons, and I enjoy doing both. Consoles are more conducive towards mutliplayer aspects. While a PC is more driven to single player titles with multiplayer options, though it typically takes a completely seperate system to accomplish. Which makes it a less viable option for say the typical console standard of 1-4 players per system. I'm asking why do "Console" minded people bring up a high end display as a "factor" for the console segment, when clearly the PC is able to put forth much better quality pictures when placed on the same display?

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: TGS
Honest question. What experience does a console offer that makes it the "Superior" platform?

Let's take Xbox Live as an example. The PC doesn't have anything that compares. Sure, you can use some sort of IM program to get a hold of your online friends. And maybe you can then use some sort of VoIP program (such as teamspeak or ventrillo) to have voice communication in game... But those are so clunky and just not done as well as what Live integrates. And if I were to hop in a game of UT2k4, or WoW, or Quake 4, or FEAR, or whatever... Trying to get everyone set up on the same VoIP program is next to impossible. Certainly not worth the effort.

I could go on and on about friends lists, acheivements, etc. But I don't have an hour to spend on this post. 😉

I'm asking why do "Console" minded people bring up a high end display as a "factor" for the console segment, when clearly the PC is able to put forth much better quality pictures when placed on the same display?

I'm just not going to put my PC in my living room. I like having it in it's own room on it's own display. My PC is used as much (or more, actually) for work and information, than for gaming. If it were in my living room and my family is watching TV or using the PC, I (or they) couldn't do the other. The PC just works best as it's own entity.

And even after you go through the considerable effort to configure everything on your PC to fit your HDTV, things like text still aren't very clear. At the end of the day, it's just so much more of a hassle than it's worth.



And why do so many say that it has to be one or the other? Neither is going to "destroy" the other segment. Like I said, and you've touched on, each platform has its own pros and cons.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
...or maybe your just too picky about your settings, who cares if the game is at 800x600 and no aa/af, its the same damn game.

Maybe it's the "same damn game"... But it definitely isn't the same damn experience.

Originally posted by: TGS
Didn't you know PC's have no compatilibity with larger displays like the 360 does? I thought everyone knew that.

I seriously don't understand why people say playing <game system> on a <large display>. If you couldn't do that on a PC.

Again, it's not the same experience.

Both the PC and the 360 have great games... But they offer very different gaming experiences.

I don't understand why PC gamers can't understand this ...

because a mouse and keyboard pwnz j00! 😀

 

[Schadenfroh]

Just put a DVD player in the damn thing and get it over with.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: TGS
Honest question. What experience does a console offer that makes it the "Superior" platform?

Let's take Xbox Live as an example. The PC doesn't have anything that compares. Sure, you can use some sort of IM program to get a hold of your online friends. And maybe you can then use some sort of VoIP program (such as teamspeak or ventrillo) to have voice communication in game... But those are so clunky and just not done as well as what Live integrates. And if I were to hop in a game of UT2k4, or WoW, or Quake 4, or FEAR, or whatever... Trying to get everyone set up on the same VoIP program is next to impossible. Certainly not worth the effort.

I could go on and on about friends lists, acheivements, etc. But I don't have an hour to spend on this post. 😉

I'm asking why do "Console" minded people bring up a high end display as a "factor" for the console segment, when clearly the PC is able to put forth much better quality pictures when placed on the same display?

I'm just not going to put my PC in my living room. I like having it in it's own room on it's own display. My PC is used as much (or more, actually) for work and information, than for gaming. If it were in my living room and my family is watching TV or using the PC, I (or they) couldn't do the other. The PC just works best as it's own entity.

And even after you go through the considerable effort to configure everything on your PC to fit your HDTV, things like text still aren't very clear. At the end of the day, it's just so much more of a hassle than it's worth.



And why do so many say that it has to be one or the other? Neither is going to "destroy" the other segment. Like I said, and you've touched on, each platform has its own pros and cons.

UT2k4 offers built in voice chat and offers much more variety of multiplayer gameplay than any console FPS

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
UT2k4 offers built in voice chat and offers much more variety of multiplayer gameplay than any console FPS

Ok, that's one game. But now let's say that I were to hop on to some random game of UT2k4 right now with 15 other people... How many of those would you say are actually using voice chat? Incredibly few, probably none.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
UT2k4 offers built in voice chat and offers much more variety of multiplayer gameplay than any console FPS

Ok, that's one game. But now let's say that I were to hop on to some random game of UT2k4 right now with 15 other people... How many of those would you say are actually using voice chat? Incredibly few, probably none.

Same thing with Battlefield 2. It offers built-in voice chat but I find very few people using it in-game.

People are always talking on Xbox Live....even if what they say is pretty stupid some times.

 

[TGS]

Truth be told I really prefer ventrilo over other voice chat programs. The fact that I can run a server on my home pc(just like an xbox live scenario I suppose) and I don't even have to be running any gaming software at all to talk to others. Typically friends log in and I get the audio cue, and we can start chatting right away as he/she logs into whatever game we are going to play that night.

Obviously if it's not a core group of people you are gaming you need that additional IM program, but for me typically say for WoW I would be playing with a person in a new group and just invite them to my vent server. Even without a mic they can hear the group strats and react a lot faster in game. Typing during a game is a fairly piss-poor way of coordinating, and I think that things like ventrilo are really suited the more "hardcore" gamers.

Not to really argue the point having choices in the IM/VoIP programs you can use isn't a bad thing. Certainly it takes more up front time to coordinate making it "harder" to set up but the results are the same or better. On the friends list, I think thats covered under IM status, as for achievements, or the micro purchases thats all personal preference. I pay my game costs, I pay the subscriptions and I don't like the idea of having to pay micro purchases to get a leg up on the competition. Though of course YMMV. Along with connecting a pc to a HD display. If the resolution is setup correctly, you should have a perfectly crisp picture with excellent text. The limiter on the HDTV is that the PC can scale much further resolution wise in it's current state. Though getting a display the size of available HDTVs with the resolution of the newest PC displays would be a huge cost. Of course like I said, getting to that point where everything "Just works" for the PC, is clearly behind the ease of dropping in a console and popping in a game.

For me it's in the same category of the people who buy the pre-made 5/7.1 system and hook it up. The sound is good enough for them. Then you have the other category of people that do the research and find the highest fidelity equipment possible and configure the sound system. The latter is going to be a bit harder to put together, but the end results should be better than the pre-built setup in most cases. Though the former will most likely be enjoy his/her new sound system far sooner and cheaper than the latter.

 

[Mo0o]

shocking, truly shocking

oh wait no

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
UT2k4 offers built in voice chat and offers much more variety of multiplayer gameplay than any console FPS

Ok, that's one game. But now let's say that I were to hop on to some random game of UT2k4 right now with 15 other people... How many of those would you say are actually using voice chat? Incredibly few, probably none.

Same thing with Battlefield 2. It offers built-in voice chat but I find very few people using it in-game.

People are always talking on Xbox Live....even if what they say is pretty stupid some times.

There are always PC solutions available but a lot of people are already on their own private chat servers so they avoid using the built-in versions. I think that's more of a comment on the PC gaming community than anything else though. 🙂

Consoles own certain genres and PCs own the others. The thing is that PCs will never own genres owned by consoles whereas I see plenty of room for console improvement that could eventually make them superior in every way. Once there is a keyboard and mouse widely available for a console what will the argument be?

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: TGS
Truth be told I really prefer ventrilo over other voice chat programs. The fact that I can run a server on my home pc(just like an xbox live scenario I suppose) and I don't even have to be running any gaming software at all to talk to others. Typically friends log in and I get the audio cue, and we can start chatting right away as he/she logs into whatever game we are going to play that night.

Obviously if it's not a core group of people you are gaming you need that additional IM program, but for me typically say for WoW I would be playing with a person in a new group and just invite them to my vent server. Even without a mic they can hear the group strats and react a lot faster in game. Typing during a game is a fairly piss-poor way of coordinating, and I think that things like ventrilo are really suited the more "hardcore" gamers.

Not to really argue the point having choices in the IM/VoIP programs you can use isn't a bad thing. Certainly it takes more up front time to coordinate making it "harder" to set up but the results are the same or better. On the friends list, I think thats covered under IM status, as for achievements, or the micro purchases thats all personal preference. I pay my game costs, I pay the subscriptions and I don't like the idea of having to pay micro purchases to get a leg up on the competition.

I'm guessing that you've never used Xbox Live. Really, IM and Ventrillo/TeamSpeak just isn't in the same league.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Consoles own certain genres and PCs own the others. The thing is that PCs will never own genres owned by consoles whereas I see plenty of room for console improvement that could eventually make them superior in every way. Once there is a keyboard and mouse widely available for a console what will the argument be?

I don't think you'll see keyboard and mice used widely on consoles for two reasons:
1) Very few people play their console at a desk and you're not going to find a good mouse/kb solution for the living room.
2) Some people using controllers and some people using mouse/kb unbalances online play.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Consoles own certain genres and PCs own the others. The thing is that PCs will never own genres owned by consoles whereas I see plenty of room for console improvement that could eventually make them superior in every way. Once there is a keyboard and mouse widely available for a console what will the argument be?

I don't think you'll see keyboard and mice used widely on consoles for two reasons:
1) Very few people play their console at a desk and you're not going to find a good mouse/kb solution for the living room.
2) Some people using controllers and some people using mouse/kb unbalances online play.

Well, as for #2, everyone on a PC has a keyboard and mouse but people have different framerates. People using an xbox will have different size TVs which will make a huge difference. Personally, I would have no problem tossing a wireless keyboard and mouse under the couch for whatever online gaming I might be able to sneak in while no one is around.

Then again it could be some revolutionary controller/joystick innovation for a console that finally puts the mouse/keyboard vs. joystick argument to rest. I think that's more likely than a keyboard/mouse in the living room.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Consoles own certain genres and PCs own the others. The thing is that PCs will never own genres owned by consoles whereas I see plenty of room for console improvement that could eventually make them superior in every way. Once there is a keyboard and mouse widely available for a console what will the argument be?

I don't think you'll see keyboard and mice used widely on consoles for two reasons:
1) Very few people play their console at a desk and you're not going to find a good mouse/kb solution for the living room.
2) Some people using controllers and some people using mouse/kb unbalances online play.

Well, as for #2, everyone on a PC has a keyboard and mouse but people have different framerates. People using an xbox will have different size TVs which will make a huge difference. Personally, I would have no problem tossing a wireless keyboard and mouse under the couch for whatever online gaming I might be able to sneak in while no one is around.

Then again it could be some revolutionary controller/joystick innovation for a console that finally puts the mouse/keyboard vs. joystick argument to rest. I think that's more likely than a keyboard/mouse in the living room.

I agree with you on #2. Unbalanced online play? I played Q2 on 56k dialup on a P166 for a year and a half @ 320x240 resolution and ended up kicking ass. I did probably 100x better once I upgraded to my C366@550, 1024x768, but still on a 56k. It's impossible to balance the gameplay, period. Even with the current XBox Live system - you have people with faster connections than others. You have people with bigger TV's than others. My roomie and me always joke when we own someone that we're playing on a B&W 10" tv split screen, and I have one arm and he's wearing an eye patch, but the fact of the matter is it's impossible to making gaming "fair".

And the whole mouse/KB thing - if you can't hit headshots with a joystick, then you just suck with the controller. Don't blame your accuracy problems on not having a mouse/KB. That's just a cop out, BS excuse for you sucking @$$. I played Q1/Q2/Q3 for 4 years on the PC, spent countless hours playing clan games, etc etc. I'm just as good with aiming with a joystick as I ever was with the kb/m.

And in regards to #1 - that is the biggest issue with KB/M. Unless you get a big tv tray, or have a high sitting coffee table, or have some sort of framework to place it on and play, it's hard really using a kb/m in console gaming.

 

[jlmadyson]

Playstation 3 Delay Official

Aleman writes "In this interview with Variety magazine, Sony CEO Howard Stringer confirms that the Playstation 3 will be released during the holiday 2006 season." Not very surprising given the available information.

 

[ElFenix]

are there even any regular blue ray players out yet?

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Playstation 3 Delay Official

Aleman writes "In this interview with Variety magazine, Sony CEO Howard Stringer confirms that the Playstation 3 will be released during the holiday 2006 season." Not very surprising given the available information.

So... "holiday 2006"... Is that in Japan, the US, or both? Historically (at least with the PSX and PS2), they debuted in Japan ~6 months before they hit the US shores.