Sony A700 is coming!!

AndrewR

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Announcement expected tomorrow, and I'm very eagerly awaiting the official words. From what I've read:

-A700 is the name, in a nod to the Minolta heritage (the "7" denotes the advanced amateur series)
-12MP 1.5x CMOS processor very similar to the Nikon D300's
-ISO 100-3200 with Canon-like noise characteristics (no mention that I've seen of a 6400 boost)
-Bulb to 1/8000 shutter speed
-Obviously, Super Steady Shot in-body stabilization -- might claim up to 4 stop improvement
-Flash sync 1/250 without SSS and 1/200 with SSS
-Eye Start autofocus with grip sensor
-Pentaprism viewfinder
-3" LCD with 640x480 pixels (like the D300)
-some weather sealing apparently
-~5 fps burst (25 compressed RAW, 18 RAW, 16 Fine JPG, continuous standard JPEG)
-Appears to be 11 AF points with some cross-type ability possible
-Stronger, better autofocus mechanism than the A100, meaning faster focusing
-CF and MS Duo slots (two different ones)...not sure what the benefit is there)
-new Bionz image processor promising better dynamic range
-selectable noise reduction
-HDMI port -- apparently the connection between the camera and Sony's HDTVs was considered in the development (not sure if that translates to any other features)
-metal body
-And it has a AF/MF button!!!! I'm buying that sucker!! :D

Also, there will be four new lenses announced:
55-200mm f/4-5.6 (Tamron rebadge?) - DT (digital crop)
18-250 f/3.5-6.3 (Tamron rebadge) - DT
16-105 f/3.5-5.6 - DT (this one is a Carl Zeiss lens)
70-300 mm G f/4.5-5.6 with SSM (USM in Canon terms) - professional grade telephoto zoom

The first three are going to be released fairly soon. Seems like the last one might be a little farther off.

Price is very un-Sony: MSRP likely to be $1400 ($100 more than Canon's 40D). With kit lens, price will be $1500, and there is the option for the Zeiss 16-80mm lens as a kit for $2100 or so (that lens is about $700). Grip for the A700 might come in at $350 and will have two batteries (battery for the A700 seems to be different from A100).

Sweet! Now I know what I'm saving my pennies for!
 

AmigaMan

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wish it had live view and a nice 17-70 f2.8 lens. But seeing as how I can't afford $10 much less $1400, I think I'll stick with my A100 and my current crop o' lenseses.
 

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More info taken from dpreview posting:
SENSOR:
Exmor(TM) CMOS APS-C size
12.2MP, 1.5x
3:2 and 16:9 aspect ratio
ISO 100-3200 & Expanded mode ISO 6400
Anti-static coating + sensor vibration

STABLIZATION: Super SteadyShot, 2.5-4 stop correction

AF: 11-point / Dual-cross and F2.8 central sensors / 0-18 EV / Eye-Start

EXPOSURE:
40-segment honeycomb-pattern, centre-weighted and spot metering modes
30 - 1/8000 sec

DRIVE:
JPEG STD or FINE: Unlimited
RAW: 17 - cRAW: 24 (performance depends on memory card type)
5.0 fps or 3.0 fps

VIEWFINDER:
Pentaprism / 95% /0.9X / 25 mm (viewfinder eyerelief)
Ultra bright Spherical Acute Matte
Antidust System -3.0 to +1.0 m-1

LCD: 3-inch Xtra Fine LCD / 921,000 dots

FLASH: Manual pop-up
Auto, Fill-in, Red-Eye Reduction, Rear curtain, High Speed Synchro*, Wireless,* Slow sync direct access button, PC sync terminal (* with optional accessory flash)
ADI + Multisegment Pre-flash
Standard: 1/250
With Super SteadyShot :1/200
HSS: 1/8000 sec
+/-3.0 EV

OTHERS:
USB 2.0 High Speed
650 shots
Dual Slot for CF I / CF II / Microdrive and MS Duo / MS Pro Duo / MS Pro HG
Yes - Full vertical control

CONSTRUCTION:
Magnesium alloy
Magnesium alloy
Dust / Moisture resistance = Yes
100,000 (approx) shutter cycle endurance

DIMENSIONS:
approx.141.7x104.8x79.7mm
approx. 690g

Front Control Dial: Conveniently placed next to Shutter button, the Front Control Dial allows adjustment of parameters selected in Quick Navi mode using multi-selector.

Drive, WB and ISO buttons: Buttons for selection of Drive Mode (Single-frame, Continuous advance speed high/low, self timer); White Balance Mode and ISO sensitivity.

Focus Mode Dials: Provides instant access to selection from four focus modes: manual focus (MF), single AF (AF-S), continuous AF (AF-C), and auto AF (AF-A) mode.

Flash: Built-in flash with guide number of 12. New manual control mode allows flash brightness to be adjusted independently of metered exposure values.

Mode Dial: Dial provides instant access to basic exposure modes (Program Auto, Aperture priority, Shutter-speed priority and Manual) plus Scene Selection modes.

Left Side Connectors: Terminals for Flash Sync, remote control, DC power in, USB 2.0 and HDMI output for connection to BRAVIA television or HD display

Left Side Buttons: Buttons for Menu, Display, Delete and Playback.

Power Switch: Every time the camera is powered off, the CCD vibration function briefly shakes the sensor to dislodge dust particles.

Eye-Start Sensor: Eyepiece sensor activates Eye-Start Autofocus as soon as camera viewfinder is raised to your eye.

AEL (AE Lock) / Slow Sync Button: Auto Exposure Lock ?freezes? metered exposure settings. Useful when re-framing or taking a sequence of shots without changing shutter speed and aperture values that have already been set.

Also includes 3-way Metering Mode switch for convenient selection of 40-segment honeycomb-pattern, centre weighted or spot metering.

Multi-Selector: Controller allows quick, simple adjustment of camera parameters with thumb and forefinger.

Press Function (Fn) button to switch LCD screen to Quick Navi information display, then operate the multi-selector to select a shooting parameter, press once and then choose the desired setting.

3 inch Xtra fine LCD: Superb photo-quality LCD display with extremely high 921k dot resolution for critical evaluation of focus and exposure. Anti-reflective layer allows clear viewing under bright ambient lighting conditions.

Battery Slot: Accepts new high-capacity InfoLITHIUM Rechargeable Battery NP-FM500H. Provides power for approximately 650 shots (CIPA measurement).

Super Steady Shot: Turn switch on to active Super SteadyShot optical image stabilisation inside camera body. Provides up to four stops of anti-shake performance with all # mount lenses.

Rear Right controls: The #700 features a focus drive clutch mechanism that allows rapid switching between focus modes simply by pressing the new AF/MF button on the back of the camera.

Compact Flash / Memory Stick Slot: Dual card slots provide compatibility with CompactFlash and Memory Stick removable media. Offers greater flexibility for choice of memory card. The memory card door is equipped with seals against moisture and dust and the camera automatically detects if the door is open to secure data. Accepts Memory Stick Duo, Memory Stick PRO Duo, Memory Stick PRO-HG Duo; CompactFlash card Type I, Type II (UDMA / Microdrive).

Intuitive Controls: Clear, logically placed controls make operation easy and fuss-free ? even when you?re shooting under pressure. Three memories allow storage of all camera settings for instant recall. A dedicated Custom button can be assigned to frequently-needed functions like file size and auto focus area select. For even greater creative control there?s a dedicated AF/MF button for instant switchover between auto and manual focus modes.

Rugged Body: The #700 is engineered to meet the needs of discerning photo enthusiasts who demand unfaltering performance. Tough, durable magnesium alloy body panels are complemented by a reinforced aluminium alloy chassis. Weather-resistant silicon seals protect buttons and media card slots against dust and moisture.

The precision high-speed shutter unit offers outstanding durability. Proven to approximately 100 000 cycles, it?s tough enough to cope with the challenging demands of serious photographers.

Quick Navi: The all-new ?Quick Navi? interface gives fast, intuitive access to camera settings.
Camera settings can be accessed instantly via the easy-to-use joystick and icons on the 3-inch photo-quality screen. Selected parameters can be adjusted directly without the need to drill down into fiddly sub-menus. Operation is beautifully simple - assuring quick, positive operation in high-pressure shooting situations when there?s no time to fumble with function menus.

Portrait Grip: The optional portrait grip gives relaxed, comfortable access to the ergonomically-positioned shutter release button in any shooting orientation ? portrait or landscape. The grip also adds capacity for a second battery, extending shooting stamina to a generous 1300 exposures (CIPA rating). Charge levels for both batteries are displayed separately on the camera?s LCD screen for unambiguous indication of remaining power.

Exmor CMOS Sensor: The all-new Sony-developed 12.2 effective megapixel ?Exmor? CMOS sensor delivers extraordinary levels of detailing with clear, lifelike colours. A 3-layer optical low-pass filter on the sensor?s surface reduces moiré effects for even higher picture quality with smooth, natural textures. For the first time, A/D conversion and initial noise reduction is performed on the sensor itself. This ensures that digitised signals are passed to the new-generation BIONZ processing engine with immunity from external noise.

BIONZ Processor: It?s the key to the superb responsiveness of the #700 ? and the extraordinary levels of detailing revealed in every image. Specially customised for optimum performance with the 12.2 effective megapixel ?Exmor? CMOS sensor, the high-speed BIONZ processor features a RAW NR stage. This reduces image noise even further prior to compression and encoding. The result ? superlative images with vivid colours and exquisitely natural textures.

Super Steady Shot: Super SteadyShot delivers sharper, clearer pictures when you?re shooting handheld, in low light or with macro and telephoto lenses where there?s an increased risk of camera shake. Tiny gyro sensors shift the CMOS sensor module to compensate for movements of the camera body. The result? Better pictures under a wide range of shooting conditions. And best of all, Super SteadyShot works with the full range of #-mount lenses. So you can enjoy the benefits of optical image stabilisation with your entire lens collection. The #700 features a new main mirror/shutter mechanism that reduces vibration at the moment of exposure. This improves anti-shake performance by up to half a stop for total correction from 2.5 to 4 steps of shutter speed. This improves anti-shake performance by up to half a stop over the critical 200-300mm focal length range.

High Sensitivity: With a maximum sensitivity of ISO 3200, the #700 can grab compelling sports/action shots, atmospheric interiors or relaxed portraits in any available light. A new ?expanded? mode boosts sensitivity further to ISO 6400. High, medium or low levels of additional noise reduction are selectable at high ISO settings for enhanced image clarity.

D-Range Optimiser: The enhanced D-range Optimiser (DRO) automatically adjusts exposure compensation and contrast settings for beautifully-exposed results with backlit portraits and other tricky high-contrast scenes. Optimisation can be adjusted in five increments, offering precise control over the amount of compensation to suit your creative preferences with any scene. There?s also a new bracketing mode that captures the same scene at three different DRO settings to ensure the best possible results.
Optimisation can be applied to RAW as well as JPEG files.

Xtra Fine LCD 921K dots: The superb new 3-inch photo-quality LCD screen adds an extra dimension to the viewing and evaluation of shots captured with the #700. Featuring a striped pixel array, the 921k dot Xtra Fine hybrid LCD reveals the finest details with exquisitely natural texturing and colour gradations. On-screen text is sharp and finely contoured for crystal-clear function navigation. Progressive scanning minimises flicker that?s often a problem with larger screens. A special anti-reflective coating ensures high contrast and excellent visibility when viewing outdoors. Pressing the rear-mounted Display button selects a choice of new screen viewing modes. Image thumbnails can be tiled as 4-, 9- or 25-up. Alternatively, the last five images can be ?stripped? above the currently selected shot ? ideal for checking bracketed exposures or continuous advance shooting. There?s also a new RGB histogram mode for confirmation of separate red/green/blue channel levels.

Bright Clear Viewfinder: The bright, high-magnification optical viewfinder assists excellent framing with any scene. A new pentaprism system with internal anti-reflective coating provides a large, bright image that aids positive, accurate manual focusing. Exclusive to Sony, the Spherical Acute Matte focusing screen ensures high viewfinder brightness: it also aids manual focusing by making it easy to identify the correct focus point.

There?s a choice of 2 interchangeable focus screens for architectural (L Type) composition and manual focusing (M type). Focus screen replacement is only possible through authorized Sony service and depending local availability.

PhotoTV HD: It?s easy to enjoy the finest quality High Definition images captured with the #700 while you?re at home or assessing shots in the studio. The #700 is the world?s first SLR with an HDMI output for connection to any HD-ready TV or display. Images are optimised for subtler, more natural colour and textures on the latest generation of Full HD BRAVIA televisions that support PhotoTV HD picture mode. This offers a significant improvement over viewing still images on conventional TV sets that are optimised for moving video. HD slideshows can be controlled with the supplied remote commander that doubles as a remote shutter release.

Remote Control: The supplied infrared remote commander can be used as a ?wireless? shutter release which is ideal for minimising vibration when you?re shooting with a tripod mount. The dual-purpose remote can also control HD slideshows allowing you to enjoy big, beautiful images on your HD television set from the comfort of your favourite chair.

High Speed AF: Responsive, high speed autofocus is a ?must have? for anyone who?s serious about their photography. With 11 focus points and 11 lines, the new double-cross sensor enhances AF performance under a wide range of real-world shooting conditions. There?s also a powerful new AF drive motor that reduces noise and vibration while focusing, enhancing the ?pro? feel of the #700.

For macro shooting and other critical applications there?s a F2.8 AF sensor that doubles AF accuracy when used with wide-aperture lenses as bright as F2.8 or brighter while improving distance metering accuracy.

The AF illuminator assists with fast, accurate autofocus in low light or with low contrast subjects.

The handy AF/MF button allows instant switchover between auto and manual focus modes.

High Speed Shutter: The newly-developed high performance shutter unit is proven to withstand approximately 100 000 cycles. Maximum shutter speed is 1/8000 sec (1/250 flash sync speed or 1/200 with Super SteadyShot on) to freeze fast moving action.

The new high-power coreless motor and double-stopper anti-bounce mirror mechanism allows continuous shooting at up to 5 fps.

The quiet shutter release makes picture-taking less intrusive when you?re shooting young children, wildlife or intimate subjects.

White Balance: Expand your creative palette with precise control over white balance and colour temperature settings. Auto White Balance is complemented by a range of preset and custom modes. Colour temperature can be adjusted manually for even more precise control, and there?s a choice of user-configurable custom white balance settings. Bracketing captures three frames at different white balance settings, allowing you to select the best-looking shot with ease.

Flash: Create exactly the right lighting effects for any scene with a choice of flash modes. ADI distance metering technology assures accurately-exposed flash pictures, even with ?difficult? low-reflectivity subjects. Wireless mode triggers one or more optional off-camera flash units with no cables or fiddly settings. There?s also a rear sync mode that fires the flash just before the shutter closes for natural-looking motion and light trail effects.

The built-in flash allows manual adjustment of flash brightness independently of metered exposure values. A flash sync terminal enhances compatibility with third party studio flash systems.
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: AmigaMan
wish it had live view and a nice 17-70 f2.8 lens. But seeing as how I can't afford $10 much less $1400, I think I'll stick with my A100 and my current crop o' lenseses.

They are probably going to get beat up over the absence of Live View, but I think the specifications are more than enough to outclass the 40D, which is the primary competitor at the price point.

I won't be jumping right away since I'm about to move and am still looking for a new job. However, I will likely grab one if they start having Christmas sales or perhaps into the New Year.
 

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did sony just brand their sensor? and if nikon is using it can they use the brand too? (odd that nikon does 100 sensitivity with 'boost,' but sony does it regularly.

all this branding crap makes me :confused:

i guess that isn't as bad as bragging that their earphones used 'biocelluose' drivers.



same LCD as nikon D3/D300, same somewhat-misleading 'dot' count. it's a 640x480 LCD.

i note that unlike other cameras in this range, it has no top status LCD. i don't miss my top LCD, but some might.
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
did sony just brand their sensor? and if nikon is using it can they use the brand too? (odd that nikon does 100 sensitivity with 'boost,' but sony does it regularly.

all this branding crap makes me :confused:

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i note that unlike other cameras in this range, it has no top status LCD. i don't miss my top LCD, but some might.

I'm not sure how the sensor business is working between Sony and Nikon. I'm sure there have been extensive negotiations to ensure cooperation and assuage competitive instincts. I'd be interested to find out what Nikon execs think about relying on one of their biggest competitive threats, at least per Sony's intent in the DSLR business, for sensors.

I used to think the lack of a top LCD was a problem, but now I can't understand why anyone would want one because it forces you to remove the camera from eye level to check the status LCD on the top. I've never actually used one, however, but I cannot find any reason why it would be superior or preferable. My guess is that it's a holdover from film days when the LCD was up there because the film area took up the entire back. People need to evolve. :D
 

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Anyone want to buy a used A100? :p

Seriously though, it looks like a wonderful upgrade and something that would be a worthy companion to my Maxxum 7.

ZV
 

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Originally posted by: AndrewRI used to think the lack of a top LCD was a problem, but now I can't understand why anyone would want one because it forces you to remove the camera from eye level to check the status LCD on the top. I've never actually used one, however, but I cannot find any reason why it would be superior or preferable. My guess is that it's a holdover from film days when the LCD was up there because the film area took up the entire back. People need to evolve. :D
Never missed it on my D7D.
Might just get this in the Spring :)

 

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is it that big an upgrade over the a100 to be named a700 (7 times as good if you will)
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: kalster
is it that big an upgrade over the a100 to be named a700 (7 times as good if you will)

No, it's a tribute to the Minolta heritage, which they glossed over with the A100 (which should have been A300). "7" has always denoted the advanced amateurs from Minolta -- 7, 700si, 7000, 7000i, 7D (the digital one). The professional level cameras carry the "9" so the next release from Sony will probably be the A900. There might even be a refresh of the A100 (the A300?) since the A100 is possibly not being produced any more.

And, the A700 is many times better than the A100 though I'm not sure if it's 7 times. ;)
 

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Yeah, no doubt this is a godsend for old KM and A100 users. And really, if you have invested into this mount this should be an obvious upgrade for you. I don't have very many complaints about it besides the terrible body design :p, looks like a great cam that will be pretty competitive against D300 or 40D.

I really really hope that pentax uses the same CMOS sensor as the one in A700 and D300 though...
 

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Man this makes me wish I had a spare $1,400 laying around. The previews look great, even better than the rumors. I know what I'm saving up for now.

ZV
 

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
No, it's a tribute to the Minolta heritage, which they glossed over with the A100 (which should have been A300). "7" has always denoted the advanced amateurs from Minolta -- 7, 700si, 7000, 7000i, 7D (the digital one). The professional level cameras carry the "9" so the next release from Sony will probably be the A900.
The A100 is heavily based on the KM D5D so imo it really should have been the A500 ;)Minolta also had a semi-pro camera called the Dynax/Maxxum 800Si so there's an outside chance that the model above the A700 could be an A800 leaving room for a future A900 if Sony decided to really go for the pro sector.
 

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Probably the smart move (a800). There is not nearly enough of a lens lineup for Sony to compete with Canon and Nikon right now, either from their own line or from 3rd party manufacturers. Lenses will have to be priority before a new body before Sony can hope to compete in the Pro market.
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: Heidfirst
Originally posted by: AndrewR
No, it's a tribute to the Minolta heritage, which they glossed over with the A100 (which should have been A300). "7" has always denoted the advanced amateurs from Minolta -- 7, 700si, 7000, 7000i, 7D (the digital one). The professional level cameras carry the "9" so the next release from Sony will probably be the A900.
The A100 is heavily based on the KM D5D so imo it really should have been the A500 ;)Minolta also had a semi-pro camera called the Dynax/Maxxum 800Si so there's an outside chance that the model above the A700 could be an A800 leaving room for a future A900 if Sony decided to really go for the pro sector.

Yes, I thought of the "5" after I wrote that when I looked over at a table and saw a couple Maxxum 5000's sitting there. :D

The point about the 800 is a good one. It should be interesting to see what they do with the next model, since Sony has said that the next camera will be "professional quality" but not a "professional camera" per se. I've been thinking more of a Canon 5D, maybe a little bit higher, but not quite the 1D level.

I'm very interested in the focusing speed of the A700 since the focusing motor has been increased. Several reviewers commented that the A100 does actually focus quickly despite the lack of in-lens focusing (SSM/USM, etc). It would be very interesting if the A700 outfocuses the 40D when equipped with their USM lenses!

Of course, I'd be even happier if the A700 outfocuses accuracy-wise. The A100 performance with 28mm focal length leaves something to be desired (a known limitation). Since one of my best lenses is 28mm, it's a pain.
 

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Originally posted by: AndrewR


I'm very interested in the focusing speed of the A700 since the focusing motor has been increased. Several reviewers commented that the A100 does actually focus quickly despite the lack of in-lens focusing (SSM/USM, etc). It would be very interesting if the A700 outfocuses the 40D when equipped with their USM lenses!
The only real advantage to SSM/USM etc. is quietness of operation.
It's possible for screwdrive to focus just as fast depending upon the motor fitted to the body .
& we mustn't forget that there are 2 types of USM etc. - ring drive & micromotor drive with ring being better but more $$$.
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: Heidfirst
Originally posted by: AndrewR


I'm very interested in the focusing speed of the A700 since the focusing motor has been increased. Several reviewers commented that the A100 does actually focus quickly despite the lack of in-lens focusing (SSM/USM, etc). It would be very interesting if the A700 outfocuses the 40D when equipped with their USM lenses!
The only real advantage to SSM/USM etc. is quietness of operation.
It's possible for screwdrive to focus just as fast depending upon the motor fitted to the body .
& we mustn't forget that there are 2 types of USM etc. - ring drive & micromotor drive with ring being better but more $$$.

I am aware of that; however, the Canikons often tout USM, etc., as being the sine qua non of lens technology, to include the speed of focusing (and most of them are blissfully unaware of the distinction between ring and micromotor drive). Since there has been some criticism of the A100 for its focusing speed (because it relies on a screw drive), if the A700 can blow the doors off some other cameras, it might put to rest this persistent rumor.

I've always found that the quietest focusing method is manual anyway. :)