Sonofa!! :( Groundfishing is now banned along the Pacific Coast!! :(

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http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_0914_news_groundfish_rules.1ee67dc3.html

Coast Braces for Groundfishing Ban
09/14/2002

By GILLIAN FLACCUS, Associated Press Writer

Federal regulators on Friday voted to ban bottom-fishing next year on most of the Continental Shelf from Canada to Mexico.

The action, meant to stave off a catastrophic collapse of some Pacific Coast groundfish populations, is the strictest regulation of West Coast fishing in history. It ushers in a new era of fishery management that is based on how deep anglers can fish rather than harvest limits.

The ban promises to send shock waves through coastal economies already hurting from restrictions on logging and salmon fishing.

Sport and commercial fisheries generated $1 billion in income for the West Coast in 2001. Commercial landings were worth nearly $230 million, of which $62 million came from groundfish species.

The new limitations expand on emergency closures imposed last June. The Pacific Fishery Management Council, which voted late Friday, regulates Pacific waters from three to 200 miles offshore.

"It's pretty scary for everybody involved. The potential impacts for every fishing industry up and down the coast are pretty severe. It's like we are cutting off our arm to save our life," said Steven Kupillas, groundfish observer liaison with the Pacific States Marine Fisheries Commission.

Groundfish include more than 80 species, many of which have healthy populations. But over the past three years nine species have been declared overfished, despite steadily more restrictive harvest limits.

Rebuilding the rockfish species could take as much as a century for some, because they can live up to 90 years and produce young only sporadically.

The cutbacks were precipitated by scientific findings that four species of rockfish -- a staple of party fishing boats and fish markets, where they are often sold as red snapper -- were in worse trouble than thought. They are bocaccio, yellow-eye, canary and dark blotched rockfish.

Environmentalists also won lawsuits requiring the council to control bycatch, when species that cannot be landed due to harvest limits are thrown overboard dead after being netted along with other species that can be landed.

For commercial bottom trawlers north of Cape Mendocino on the Northern California coast, the council banned fishing between depths of 600 feet and 1,500 feet, with exceptions for petrale sole fishing outside of depths of 150 fathoms. During the summer the inshore boundary will move to 450 feet. South of Cape Mendocino, the council banned commercial trawling between the depths of 360 feet and 1500 feet. In the winter months, trawling is banned between depths of 300 and 900 feet.

For fixed gear, such as longlines and traps, the council will require boats to fish deeper than 600 feet off the Washington coast. For Oregon and Northern California, they banned fishing in waters shallower that 162 feet and deeper than 600 feet; south of Cape Mendocino, they banned fishing in waters shallower than 120 feet and deeper than 900 feet.

"The fixed-gear fishermen are basically going to be put out of business, except for black cod," a species generally exported to Japan, said Bob Alverson of the Fishing Vessel Owners Association in Seattle.

Shrimp could be taken as long as nets are equipped with excluders, which allow fish to escape.

On recreational fishing, generally done in shallow waters, the council restricted daily bag limits to 10 rockfish with no more than two canary rockfish and no yelloweye rockfish in Washington. In Oregon and Northern California, they kept the bag limit to 10, with one canary rockfish and one yelloweye rockfish.

"The recreational restrictions are just as difficult as the restriction on commercial," said council Chairman Hans Radke. "Nobody's free. Nobody's not hit by this."

The council cut harvests of the most overfished species of rockfish to extremely low levels: 172 metric tons for darkblotched rockfish, 41 metric tons for canary rockfish, 22 tons for yelloweye and 20 metric tons for bocaccio.

The new restrictions come as efforts to cut the groundfish fleet in half have foundered. Though fishermen and the council have endorsed a buyout plan, an appropriation of $50 million to fund it has stagnated in Congress for years.

(Copyright 2002 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

This is going to kill some already-struggling little mom-and-pop shops at the beach that I frequent when I go. :( :( :(

nik
 

Rallispec

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This is going to kill some already-struggling little mom-and-pop shops at the beach that I frequent when I go.

nik


it was probablyi going to hurt them more when they ran out of fish to catch. i'm in favor of laws like this
 

N8Magic

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Originally posted by: Rallispec
This is going to kill some already-struggling little mom-and-pop shops at the beach that I frequent when I go.

nik


it was probablyi going to hurt them more when they ran out of fish to catch. i'm in favor of laws like this
Exactly what I was thinking.

If there was a way to exclude the endangered fish from the non-endangered ones, i'd have a problem with the law. But there isn't sooo...
 

Rallispec

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Originally posted by: N8Magic
Originally posted by: Rallispec
This is going to kill some already-struggling little mom-and-pop shops at the beach that I frequent when I go.

nik


it was probablyi going to hurt them more when they ran out of fish to catch. i'm in favor of laws like this
Exactly what I was thinking.

If there was a way to exclude the endangered fish from the non-endangered ones, i'd have a problem with the law. But there isn't sooo...


yep, it will do more good than bad in the end
 

Aquaman

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Sad but it's got to happen......... the fisheries maybe closed down for a long time. I think they should do what we up here in Canada do...... set aside some restricted marine parks so that there are areas that the fish will be safe. I know for a long time that groundfish in my area were none existant because of over fishing but the goverment made these safe zones and the fish are slowly coming back. A good example is the Lingcod .......... which is slowly being re-introduced in grgeater numbers thanks to the efforts of the goverment & the Vancouver Aquarium.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Rallispec
This is going to kill some already-struggling little mom-and-pop shops at the beach that I frequent when I go.

nik


it was probablyi going to hurt them more when they ran out of fish to catch. i'm in favor of laws like this

That's the problem... there's a surplus of fish. But hatchery and related has propaganda that is making the local government officials think otherwise. There is no shortage... by a long shot.

nik
 

Rallispec

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Rallispec
This is going to kill some already-struggling little mom-and-pop shops at the beach that I frequent when I go.

nik


it was probablyi going to hurt them more when they ran out of fish to catch. i'm in favor of laws like this

That's the problem... there's a surplus of fish. But hatchery and related has propaganda that is making the local government officials think otherwise. There is no shortage... by a long shot.

nik



:confused:
damn.. so the hatcheries are saying that thier is a shortage of fish, forcing stores to buy the hatchery fish?
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Rallispec
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Rallispec
This is going to kill some already-struggling little mom-and-pop shops at the beach that I frequent when I go.

nik


it was probablyi going to hurt them more when they ran out of fish to catch. i'm in favor of laws like this

That's the problem... there's a surplus of fish. But hatchery and related has propaganda that is making the local government officials think otherwise. There is no shortage... by a long shot.

nik



:confused:
damn.. so the hatcheries are saying that thier is a shortage of fish, forcing stores to buy the hatchery fish?

No. The hatcheries get more money from the government if there's more of a "shortage" of fish to keep the hatcheries filled and working hard (and their workers WELL paid).

nik
 

Rallispec

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Rallispec
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Rallispec
This is going to kill some already-struggling little mom-and-pop shops at the beach that I frequent when I go.

nik


it was probablyi going to hurt them more when they ran out of fish to catch. i'm in favor of laws like this

That's the problem... there's a surplus of fish. But hatchery and related has propaganda that is making the local government officials think otherwise. There is no shortage... by a long shot.

nik



:confused:
damn.. so the hatcheries are saying that thier is a shortage of fish, forcing stores to buy the hatchery fish?

No. The hatcheries get more money from the government if there's more of a "shortage" of fish to keep the hatcheries filled and working hard (and their workers WELL paid).

nik


oh okay.. i think i get it now... but doesnt the gov't have to do some indepened research before starting such a large ban on ground fishing? thier has to be some reality behind it?
 

N8Magic

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

That's the problem... there's a surplus of fish. But hatchery and related has propaganda that is making the local government officials think otherwise. There is no shortage... by a long shot.

nik
Do you have proof of this? Or is this speculation at this point?
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Rallispec
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Rallispec
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Rallispec
This is going to kill some already-struggling little mom-and-pop shops at the beach that I frequent when I go.

nik


it was probablyi going to hurt them more when they ran out of fish to catch. i'm in favor of laws like this

That's the problem... there's a surplus of fish. But hatchery and related has propaganda that is making the local government officials think otherwise. There is no shortage... by a long shot.

nik



:confused:
damn.. so the hatcheries are saying that thier is a shortage of fish, forcing stores to buy the hatchery fish?

No. The hatcheries get more money from the government if there's more of a "shortage" of fish to keep the hatcheries filled and working hard (and their workers WELL paid).

nik


oh okay.. i think i get it now... but doesnt the gov't have to do some indepened research before starting such a large ban on ground fishing? thier has to be some reality behind it?

The government doesn't have to do jack with the amount of propaganda that they're getting pushed. The "numbers" from the hatcheries are doctored. There was a write-up about 10 years ago about the Bonneville hatchery doing so.

nik
 

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Overfishing is definatly a problem in many areas. I cannot comment on the US but certainly up here in canada the effects of overfishing are becoming more appearant.
 

BlueWeasel

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When I first read the subject to this thread, I thought the ban meant you could only fish from a boat, and not from land.

:)
 

Rallispec

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Rallispec
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Rallispec
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Rallispec
This is going to kill some already-struggling little mom-and-pop shops at the beach that I frequent when I go.

nik


it was probablyi going to hurt them more when they ran out of fish to catch. i'm in favor of laws like this

That's the problem... there's a surplus of fish. But hatchery and related has propaganda that is making the local government officials think otherwise. There is no shortage... by a long shot.

nik



:confused:
damn.. so the hatcheries are saying that thier is a shortage of fish, forcing stores to buy the hatchery fish?

No. The hatcheries get more money from the government if there's more of a "shortage" of fish to keep the hatcheries filled and working hard (and their workers WELL paid).

nik


oh okay.. i think i get it now... but doesnt the gov't have to do some indepened research before starting such a large ban on ground fishing? thier has to be some reality behind it?

The government doesn't have to do jack with the amount of propaganda that they're getting pushed. The "numbers" from the hatcheries are doctored. There was a write-up about 10 years ago about the Bonneville hatchery doing so.

nik


that was 10 years ago.. i have agree with nate here.. sounds like just speculation.. it may actually be a serious problem though.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Rallispec
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Rallispec
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Rallispec
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Rallispec
This is going to kill some already-struggling little mom-and-pop shops at the beach that I frequent when I go.

nik


it was probablyi going to hurt them more when they ran out of fish to catch. i'm in favor of laws like this

That's the problem... there's a surplus of fish. But hatchery and related has propaganda that is making the local government officials think otherwise. There is no shortage... by a long shot.

nik



:confused:
damn.. so the hatcheries are saying that thier is a shortage of fish, forcing stores to buy the hatchery fish?

No. The hatcheries get more money from the government if there's more of a "shortage" of fish to keep the hatcheries filled and working hard (and their workers WELL paid).

nik


oh okay.. i think i get it now... but doesnt the gov't have to do some indepened research before starting such a large ban on ground fishing? thier has to be some reality behind it?

The government doesn't have to do jack with the amount of propaganda that they're getting pushed. The "numbers" from the hatcheries are doctored. There was a write-up about 10 years ago about the Bonneville hatchery doing so.

nik


that was 10 years ago.. i have agree with nate here.. sounds like just speculation.. it may actually be a serious problem though.

Hrm... true. :-\

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel
When I first read the subject to this thread, I thought the ban meant you could only fish from a boat, and not from land.

:)

That's what I thought, too. I practically crapped my pants. I had plans to go fishing tonight! :Q

nik
 

bmacd

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i like fishing. Fishing is fun. I got a hook stuck in my little sister's hair once when i we were younger. I haven't been fishing since then. I'd really like to go. I see people fishing off the expressway by my house a lot more recently. Maybe they're looking for a fishing buddy like me. I can hold a great conversation....and i'm pretty friendly. Do you think they'd like a fishing friend? My only problem is that i don't eat fish b/c 1) they're stinky fresh out of the water and 2) i don't eat meat off a bone.

-=bmacd=-
 

Rallispec

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That's what I thought, too. I practically crapped my pants. I had plans to go fishing tonight!

nik

i've never been ocean fishing (i'm a freshwater / lake / stream / and pond kinda guy)

is it fun?
 

bmacd

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Originally posted by: Rallispec
That's what I thought, too. I practically crapped my pants. I had plans to go fishing tonight!

nik

i've never been ocean fishing (i'm a freshwater / lake / stream / and pond kinda guy)

is it fun?

i live in MI...you live in VA...we should meet up halfway and go fishing tonight.

-=bmacd=-
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Rallispec
That's what I thought, too. I practically crapped my pants. I had plans to go fishing tonight!

nik

i've never been ocean fishing (i'm a freshwater / lake / stream / and pond kinda guy)

is it fun?

Actually, yes. :) But I'm a lake/stream fisherman, myself. I was going to go to a stream that's just outside of town, but I might actually go to Henry Hagg Lake instead. I dunno... I haven't made up my mind yet.

nik
 

Rallispec

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Originally posted by: bmacd
Originally posted by: Rallispec
That's what I thought, too. I practically crapped my pants. I had plans to go fishing tonight!

nik

i've never been ocean fishing (i'm a freshwater / lake / stream / and pond kinda guy)

is it fun?

i live in MI...you live in VA...we should meet up halfway and go fishing tonight.

-=bmacd=-

sounds good.. whats in hte middle? ohio?
 

Rallispec

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Rallispec
That's what I thought, too. I practically crapped my pants. I had plans to go fishing tonight!

nik

i've never been ocean fishing (i'm a freshwater / lake / stream / and pond kinda guy)

is it fun?

Actually, yes. :) But I'm a lake/stream fisherman, myself. I was going to go to a stream that's just outside of town, but I might actually go to Henry Hagg Lake instead. I dunno... I haven't made up my mind yet.

nik

yep, give me some largemouth bass and a trout over swordfish and groupers anyday :)

nothing beats being out in the wilderness doing drifting down the river in a canoe and doing a little fishing.
 

bmacd

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Originally posted by: Rallispec
Originally posted by: bmacd
Originally posted by: Rallispec
That's what I thought, too. I practically crapped my pants. I had plans to go fishing tonight!

nik

i've never been ocean fishing (i'm a freshwater / lake / stream / and pond kinda guy)

is it fun?

i live in MI...you live in VA...we should meet up halfway and go fishing tonight.

-=bmacd=-

sounds good.. whats in hte middle? ohio?

i was hoping MI was the halfway point so i didn't have to drive so far, but i'm willing to drive to Ohio. It's getting close to my bedtime, so we can't stay out too late.

-=bmacd=-
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Rallispec
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Rallispec
That's what I thought, too. I practically crapped my pants. I had plans to go fishing tonight!

nik

i've never been ocean fishing (i'm a freshwater / lake / stream / and pond kinda guy)

is it fun?

Actually, yes. :) But I'm a lake/stream fisherman, myself. I was going to go to a stream that's just outside of town, but I might actually go to Henry Hagg Lake instead. I dunno... I haven't made up my mind yet.

nik

yep, give me some largemouth bass and a trout over swordfish and groupers anyday :)

nothing beats being out in the wilderness doing drifting down the river in a canoe and doing a little fishing.

:D :D :D Dude... make a trip to Oregon... I know some of the coolest places to go fishing. Timber Oregon has this one spot with two beaver dams within 100 feet of eachother. There are two small "lakes" made by the dams, and a tree downed in the middle that connects both dams. There's lots of shadows that are fairly open to drop a small lure in and plenty of rain for the fish to come out and play in. :) Yes, fish "play" in the rain. Fishing early in the morning in Oregon while it's raining is some of the best stream/lake fishing you'll find. :)

nik
 

bmacd

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Rallispec
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Rallispec
That's what I thought, too. I practically crapped my pants. I had plans to go fishing tonight!

nik

i've never been ocean fishing (i'm a freshwater / lake / stream / and pond kinda guy)

is it fun?

Actually, yes. :) But I'm a lake/stream fisherman, myself. I was going to go to a stream that's just outside of town, but I might actually go to Henry Hagg Lake instead. I dunno... I haven't made up my mind yet.

nik

yep, give me some largemouth bass and a trout over swordfish and groupers anyday :)

nothing beats being out in the wilderness doing drifting down the river in a canoe and doing a little fishing.

:D :D :D Dude... make a trip to Oregon... I know some of the coolest places to go fishing. Timber Oregon has this one spot with two beaver dams within 100 feet of eachother. There are two small "lakes" made by the dams, and a tree downed in the middle that connects both dams. There's lots of shadows that are fairly open to drop a small lure in and plenty of rain for the fish to come out and play in. :) Yes, fish "play" in the rain. Fishing early in the morning in Oregon while it's raining is some of the best stream/lake fishing you'll find. :)

nik

have you seen rallispec's "who would you want to meet from at" thread? It's really long...something like 9 pages i think.

-=bmacd=-