Sonic workers quit

[Greenman]

I'll add sonic to my "places to avoid" list.

 

[LTC8K6]

I'll add sonic to my "places to avoid" list.

Well, "Sonic" is not just the one franchisee that may have treated it's workers poorly...no reason to boycott Sonic over one bad apple.

Anyway, we have no idea if the story is even accurate.

 

[Jon-T]

Can anybody find a source for this other than Twitter?

A quick google news search shows one story.
https://abc6onyourside.com/news/loc...rants-change-hands-two-now-permanently-closed

About 10 Sonics changing hands and two of them closing. It mentions that there were reports that employees walked off the job, but, says no one will confirm it.

Angry employees walk off the job and won't talk to the media?

 

[LTC8K6]

Actually, there is, but it's a specific case/industry. Agriculture. You oughta dive down that rabbit hole one day. The fed. pay rules for ag are damned loose.

There is an exception for small farms with few employees, and for some contract type work, but overall, farm workers also have to be paid at least the federal or state minimum. I'm sure that due to the nature of the industry, the law is more commonly violated in the picking business.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Their credit card system doesn't allow for tipping.

You sure about that? Also, are you sure it's not on a case-by-case basis (IE: Owner of the store can change it if they want)?

I haven't been to a sonic - or any fast food outside of Chik-Fil-A in... 5+ years.

 

[ElFenix]

i think sonic tipping has, for the most part, only been a "keep the change" deal

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I hate Sonic so much. The people working there act like I should tip and always try to weasel out of giving me my change. I'm not going to tip for fast food just because the owners decided they didn't want to make a drive through where they hand you your food through the window like every other fast food restaurant. I don't tip at McDonalds. Why would I ever tip at Sonic?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I hate Sonic so much. The people working there act like I should tip and always try to weasel out of giving me my change. I'm not going to tip for fast food just because the owners decided they didn't want to make a drive through where they hand you your food through the window like every other fast food restaurant. I don't tip at McDonalds. Why would I ever tip at Sonic?

Because they walked 30 feet to your car instead of 3 feet to the drive-thru window.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Because they walked 30 feet to your car instead of 3 feet to the drive-thru window.

If I go sit inside McDonalds they walk my food over to the table too. And yet no one tips McDonalds employees. They're not waiters at Sonic. They're not coming to refill my tea or see if I want another beer. They're not coming to clear my plate and check if I want desert.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

If I go sit inside McDonalds they walk my food over to the table too. And yet no one tips McDonalds employees. They're not waiters at Sonic. They're not coming to refill my tea or see if I want another beer. They're not coming to clear my plate and check if I want desert.

lol should I have put /sarcasm at the end of my post? I'm agreeing with you, walking a distance (unless that distance is delivering the food to my house via car) isn't a tip worthy service IMO. AT the end of the day, it is simply giving me the product that I ordered.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

lol should I have put /sarcasm at the end of my post? I'm agreeing with you, walking a distance (unless that distance is delivering the food to my house via car) isn't a tip worthy service IMO. AT the end of the day, it is simply giving me the product that I ordered.

LOL sorry I'm like Sheldon Cooper when it comes to sarcasm

 

[darkswordsman17]

I hate Sonic so much. The people working there act like I should tip and always try to weasel out of giving me my change. I'm not going to tip for fast food just because the owners decided they didn't want to make a drive through where they hand you your food through the window like every other fast food restaurant. I don't tip at McDonalds. Why would I ever tip at Sonic?

I don't think I've seen a Sonic that didn't have a drive thru. I also have never been hassled about getting change from Sonic employees, unless you're talking the time they take to dispense the change out of the bag or the coin dispensers, which holy shit you'd have to be a raging asshole to get pissy about that.

 

[Zorba]

You sure about that? Also, are you sure it's not on a case-by-case basis (IE: Owner of the store can change it if they want)?

I haven't been to a sonic - or any fast food outside of Chik-Fil-A in... 5+ years.

I've been to a lot of Sonic's in multiple states and they all use the same interface. It's built in to the ordering menu at each slot.

I get it a lot when traveling because it's just about the only fast food I can stand.

 

[Zorba]

I hate Sonic so much. The people working there act like I should tip and always try to weasel out of giving me my change. I'm not going to tip for fast food just because the owners decided they didn't want to make a drive through where they hand you your food through the window like every other fast food restaurant. I don't tip at McDonalds. Why would I ever tip at Sonic?

When I first started driving a couple of times I said "keep the change" and they kept the bills too! 20 years later I still want my 6 bucks back.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I don't think I've seen a Sonic that didn't have a drive thru. I also have never been hassled about getting change from Sonic employees, unless you're talking the time they take to dispense the change out of the bag or the coin dispensers, which holy shit you'd have to be a raging asshole to get pissy about that.

The one nearest me has no drive through. The one second nearest me has a drive through but no window so they bring your food outside. Do you round up to the next dollar at McDonalds too? I don't think it's pissy to want to pay menu price for fast food.

 

[ondma]

When I first started driving a couple of times I said "keep the change" and they kept the bills too! 20 years later I still want my 6 bucks back.

If you said "keep the change" I would keep the bills too. In any case, for those trying to compare sonic to a drive through, there *is* a difference. Sonic employees have to go outside into the weather to deliver your food. Maybe some of you who are too cheap to tip in a case like this should work at a Sonic and deliver food in the wonderful weather the country has been having lately. And BTW, my wife, and many other people I see while waiting, tip bartenders for making a drink or even whoever hands them their food at a carry out station from someplace like Buca or outback.

 

[ondma]

The one nearest me has no drive through. The one second nearest me has a drive through but no window so they bring your food outside. Do you round up to the next dollar at McDonalds too? I don't think it's pissy to want to pay menu price for fast food.

Well, if it hurts you that much to tip a few cents or a dollar or two, then just go someplace else and pick it up yourself inside the store or at a drive-through window.

 

[Zorba]

If you said "keep the change" I would keep the bills too. In any case, for those trying to compare sonic to a drive through, there *is* a difference. Sonic employees have to go outside into the weather to deliver your food. Maybe some of you who are too cheap to tip in a case like this should work at a Sonic and deliver food in the wonderful weather the country has been having lately. And BTW, my wife, and many other people I see while waiting, tip bartenders for making a drink or even whoever hands them their food at a carry out station from someplace like Buca or outback.

Obviously I was joking about still being upset. I learned I had to say keep the coins, not change.

 

[sportage]

I don't know why waiters/waitresses are paid $2 - $3 an hour, figuring tips will make up the difference, and then taxed assuming they made tips when they may not have.
WHY pick on these people?
Congress doesn't work like that, paid $3 an hour then tipped if they actually get something done. For congress it should work like that.

For waiters/waitresses, being unjustly punished is the way it is.
I always assumed this wage discrepancy was a practice started by the mob and organized crime out in Las Vegas many many years ago.
Back in those early days of organized crime, they forced the United States congress to pass such ridiculous wage exception laws.
After all, it was a practice for organized crime to own restaurants. Especially in Las Vegas.
They used and probably still do use those mob owned and operated restaurants to hide money brought in by the mob from other sources then funneled that money thru mob owned establishments i.e. the restaurant business.
Also, to simply launder dirty money that needed laundering.

Again, somewhere along the line, organized crime owned enough restaurants and hired enough waiters/waitresses that they used their influence over congress to force congress to pass exceptions to the minimum wage laws.
And thus still today we have waiters/waitresses making $3 an hour.... plus tips.
As if earring a decent and lawful minimum wage of what, $7.25 an hour PLUS TIPS is somehow believed by congress to be too good for those waiters/waitresses.
SO waiters/waitresses must be punished.
It's all so damn crooked.

Odd thing, I believe most waiters/waitresses now working in Las Vegas are unionized.
And those waiters/waitresses now make $10+ minimum and hour.... PLUS TIPS.
THAT is how it should work. Everywhere! For all waiters/waitresses.
Including Sonic workers.
Unionize those little mother F-kers (said with love) and allow them to make a decent wage.
And if Sonic goes out of business, so be it. They deserve to.
If Sonic insists on paying their current low wage to workers then they'd better rename the company "THE PLANTATION" because their workers are in fact slaves and Sonic is in fact the slave owner.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I don't know why waiters/waitresses are paid $2 - $3 an hour, figuring tips will make up the difference, and then taxed assuming they made tips when they may not have.
WHY pick on these people?
Congress doesn't work like that, paid $3 an hour then tipped if they actually get something done. For congress it should work like that.

Waiters generally make some fat sums of cash for something that involves little skill outside of skills that anyone else can handle.

You can keep telling yourself they are paid $3.50 all you want, that isn't what the case is - especially for plenty medium to high-end restaurants... and bars. Hell, I've met a couple of bartenders that wouldn't change their career for the world because the money was so good with such little actual time working (and even when they did they would have a few drinks on the job).

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Well, if it hurts you that much to tip a few cents or a dollar or two, then just go someplace else and pick it up yourself inside the store or at a drive-through window.

Speaking of pissy

 

[ondma]

Waiters generally make some fat sums of cash for something that involves little skill outside of skills that anyone else can handle.

You can keep telling yourself they are paid $3.50 all you want, that isn't what the case is - especially for plenty medium to high-end restaurants... and bars. Hell, I've met a couple of bartenders that wouldn't change their career for the world because the money was so good with such little actual time working (and even when they did they would have a few drinks on the job).

My daughter was a server in some medium/higher end restaurants. She did make very good money sometimes, often 200.00 a shift for 5 or 6 hours of work. Other times, she did very poorly. That is the problem really, unless you are an established server at a high end restaurant. The income is just not reliable, sometimes great, and sometimes minimal. Job security and benefits are quite sketchy as well, most notably health care.

 

[ondma]

Speaking of pissy

Well, you do seem to be an expert on the subject.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Well, you do seem to be an expert on the subject.

You're such a hero. Do you also tip at McDonalds when they tell you to pull over and they bring you the meal to your car? Or what about when you dine in there and they bring it to your table?

 

[esquared]

Here's a question.
When employees have SS and Medicare tax taken out at 7.65%, it is matched by the employers.
What happens when the owner drops wages from 10/hr to 4/hr + tips?
Does he now just pay (his match 7.65%) to his employees on that 4/hr and not the 10/hr?

The following is a hypothetical just for sake of round numbers:
Lets say his overhead for wages was 10K per month. His share at 10K is $765.00 to the gov't.(for the employees)
Now drop wages from 10/hr to 4/hr and his overhead becomes 4K/month. His share is now 306/month.

1) Would a guy be so cheap as to save around 500/month by doing this? If his overhead was higher his saving would also be higher.
2) Also, look at it from an employees point, their contributions to their SS account would take a big hit by only getting
paid 4/hr vs 10/hr. Literally their 40hr/week check would be 160 vs 400/week.
3) Are waitresses/waiters/servers required to pay that 7.65% for themselves from the tips they make? If so, does the employer match?
Remember that self-employed people pay into SS at 2X 7.65%, IIRC.