Sometimes The Truth Hurts

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This Is My Post Let's See The Fun HappenI wonder if they delete it?

How Egypt's privately owned "independent" press celebrated the terrorist attacks against the U.S:
"Millions across the world shouted in joy: America was hit!"
wrote Al-Maydan (an independent weekly) columnist Dr. Nabil Farouq.
"This call expressed the sentiments of millions across the world, whom the American master had treated with tyranny, arrogance, bullying, conceit, deceit, and bad taste ... like every bully whom no one has yet put in his place.
True, thousands of innocents became victims... among them Egyptians who had immigrated to the U.S. in search of opportunity and [a better] life; but what can a person do when the neighborhood bully gets [a blow] from behind that shakes his very existence, insults his dignity, and humiliates him? Obviously [the person] is glad, even if it is wrong to rejoice.."

The Egyptian opposition press continued its open rejoicing at the American disaster. Al-Ahrar (an Islamist opposition daily) columnist Salim Azzouz compared Bush to Hitler:
"He declares that anyone who does not support him supports terror, and woe betide anyone who supports terror. This kind of declaration can come only from leaders of Hitler's ilk..."
The next day, Azzouz declared,
"If Osama bin Laden is proven to be involved in the attacks on the U.S., I will make a statue of him and set it in my home; I will also hang his picture in my office. Because he has proven to us that the U.S., which we thought was an undefeatable force, can be humiliated."

Said Sh'eib, columnist in the Nasserist weekly Al-Arabi, also became enamoured of bin Laden after seeing him in an interview on Al-Jazeera television. He wrote:
"I loved Osama bin Laden's face, because it inspired confidence. I was amazed by his total belief in what he says... I very much admired this man, who chose ... and I am not addressing the quality of the choices he makes ... to leave a life of luxury, to take up arms against who he considers to be the enemy, and to go down in history as a man who shook the greatest empire in history."

Retired general Sallah A-Din Salim, advisor at the National Center for Middle East Studies, wrote in Al-Ahrar:
"Although some were sorry about the killing of innocent Americans in Washington and New York, most of [our] people derived satisfaction from the insult to the American pride, and from the shaking of the faith that the American cowboy, Little Bush, places in the intelligence apparatuses and their agents throughout the world.
There was nearly an Egyptian consensus on the matter, except for a few ministers who, in their hypocrisy, rushed to the American Embassy to ostentatiously offer their condolences."

More demonstrations of jubilation appeared in the journal of the Muslim Brotherhood, Afaq Arabiya. Dr. Ahmad Al-Magdoub wrote:
"As a lawyer, I say to Suspect No. 1, as the American government calls him: Oh Osama... you are a hero in the full sense of the word. [You possess] all the manly virtues, those [virtues] lacking in the half-men who control the Muslim and Arab resources (i.e. Arab rulers). For this reason, you will continue to live in our hearts and in our minds...
Allah's peace, mercy, and blessings upon you; no peace, no mercy, and no blessings on the traitors and cowards who have been blinded to the truth by the pleasures of domination. May you eradicate America and its 'infinite justice'; victory to Islam and the Muslims."
 
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Hmmm interesting stuff. However, I think you should keep in mind the point is not to inflame, but rather educate. Like you, I too am angered by the opinions you quote, but I dont think I will do us much good to hate them back .. heh just my 2c :)
 

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<< Hmmm interesting stuff. However, I think you should keep in mind the point is not to inflame, but rather educate. >>


You see that is your problem, your thinking like an Infidel. :)
etech already tried the non-confrontational approach before. He posted rational thoughts that were backed up with facts. He was essentially flamed non-stop by these wannabe Alqeda members. Anybody that disagrees with anything they say is denounced as a Zionist pig.
Don?t take my word for it, browse the BBS or see etech?s post.
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Yeah Czar, why don't you try to educate them. It should be about 10 Min. before they make you a thread b1tch. :0
 

Czar

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Jimbo,
I just read etechs thread, and a few of his post on that egyptsoccer page and well, it just shows the anger and hate that is between those two cultural worlds. The hate I see on that page is the same hate I see here on AT, there is no differense. There are moderates there and here and there are the bad fanatics there and here.

Hate can only lead to more hate.
 

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<< Yeah Czar, why don't you try to educate them. It should be about 10 Min. before they make you a thread b1tch. :0 >>


I take that challange, I will later today register at that forum and give it my best shot :)
 

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If anyone insulted you it's because u insulted them with remarks like the ones u made recently in this thread. I don't owe u an apology, I'm not the one who tampered u're messages. This is an Egyptian board, thus I will not allow u to insult arabs. Yes an anti American post is fine...

This was from one of their Mods.
 

Czar

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I must say that the people on that forum understand what the palestinians are going through much better than anyone here. The problem is with both people here and people there is the refusal to see problems the other side is having and over focusing on your own sides problem.

When the Israelis attack Palestine then these are the people you whould listen to, they make alot of good points about the anger the palestinians have and about their own anger.

I think I'm going to search for a thread there about a palestinian attack, see how their reaction is then.
 

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one of those quotes is from the muslim brotherhood, who share as much hatred for their own infidel brothers
as for u.s. imperialists. one penny will buy you a sicko comment from one of those goobers every time. your
so-called truth, is in deed and nature, no different than his.
 

Miramonti

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Most people will take those quotes and use them to judge how fvcked up and ignorant they are, but the truth isn't that they believe those things, its that they felt that way about america to begin with, before 911. So instead of writing them off based on those comments, maybe some people who aren't so shallow would try to understand what had precipitated the hatred. This government doesn't give much of a crap about why its that way and what leads to it, thus won't consider examine any of its foreign policy as a cause, and as a result things will never change. Any ignorance on their part isn't the biggest problem, its the ignorance in this country of the governments foreign policy thats the biggest issue.
 

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<< Most people will take those quotes and use them to judge how fvcked up and ignorant they are, but the truth isn't that they believe those things, its that they felt that way about america to begin with, before 911. So instead of writing them off based on those comments, maybe some people who aren't so shallow would try to understand what had precipitated the hatred. This government doesn't give much of a crap about why its that way and what leads to it, thus won't consider examine any of its foreign policy as a cause, and as a result things will never change. Any ignorance on their part isn't the biggest problem, its the ignorance in this country of the governments foreign policy thats the biggest issue. >>



Tell you what. Why don't you dig up all the Pro American articles from Egypt that dennounce the terrorism in the US and Israel.

We'll wait.
 

Capn

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Oh no the Egyptians don't like us.

OMG!!! OH NO! AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

Hey, we don't like them very much either. They don't really hate America, they hate what they think America is.
 

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<< They don't really hate America, they hate what they think America is. >>



And a lot of American hate what they think the "middle east" is. A lot of people are blindly supporting one side of the situation, and are not open to conversation.
Truth is beyond pride.
 

Jimbo

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<< So instead of writing them off based on those comments, maybe some people who aren't so shallow would try to understand what had precipitated the hatred. >>

Let's try religious intolerance.
Your reading comprehension skills are what is shallow. Please refer back to etech; already tried the non-confrontational approach before. He posted rational thoughts that were backed up with facts. He was essentially flamed non-stop by these wannabe Alqeda members. Anybody that disagrees with anything they say is denounced as a Zionist pig.
 

Jimbo

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<< This government doesn't give much of a crap about why its that way and what leads to it, thus won't consider examine any of its foreign policy as a cause, and as a result things will never change. Any ignorance on their part isn't the biggest problem, its the ignorance in this country of the governments foreign policy thats the biggest issue. >>


Would that "POLICY" be that we wont let them kill all of the Jews they want and push Israel into the sea?
We are so insensitive like that!
 

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Hrmm... All I get when I go to your link is "I am a Zionist joining etech on this board to express my hate and bigotry towards all Arabs. I blindly support the war criminal Sharon in his genocide against all palestinians. "
Did someone edit your post, or is that all it's supposed to say?
 

Jimbo

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<< Did someone edit your post, or is that all it's supposed to say? >>


It was Edited
 

Red Dawn

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If the Palestineans have the same attitude(as those on tht BBS) I guess you can forget about trying to reason with them
 

Jimbo

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<< If the Palestineans have the same attitude(as those on tht BBS) I guess you can forget about trying to reason with them >>


They don't seem to be open to new ideas (anything after the 4th century).
I came to the same conclusion when Yasser Arafat trashed the Camp David agreement with Ehud Barak that essentially gave the Palestinians 90%-95% of what they were asking for. This has nothing to do with U.S. policy, or even land. They hate Jews. A peace plan would make killing them less politically acceptable (outside of the Arab world).
 

Mill

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They have been nice to me so far. I just want to hear their views of the current situation. I don't want to inflame them.
 

Nitemare

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ditto for me. There are a few bad apples there, like the ones that are editing etechs posts and a few naive ones that actually believe that these are etechs words.

I have put in a complaint to the moderator over there and he is looking into it. I find the board quite tolerant and willing to listen to other views as long as you listen to theirs.

The threads that milenium, apache and myself have posted in have been quite civil and we were even welcomed by more than one person even if we are [sarcasm]evil American swine[/sarcasm]. I like to see both sides of the coin before I take it at face value.