Sometimes, I weep for our youth -- futher pussification of our culture:

Amused

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Will the safety police never stop???

I mourned the loss of diving boards and high dives, now this:

Swimming Pools losing Deep Ends

PHILADELPHIA (July 1) - The diving boards were pulled up in the 1980s, and now deep ends are being deep-sixed.

For reasons of safety and family appeal, the standard public swimming pool that many Americans grew up splashing around in - a rectangle with a bottom that drops off to a diving area maybe 12 feet deep - is fast being replaced by shallow pools of the sort seen in water parks.

Some cities and states have been filling in the deep ends of their pools, and new pools are less likely to have deep water.

The old-style ``drowning pools'' won't be missed, said aquatics expert Tom Griffiths.

``Pools found out people were breaking their necks, so they took out the boards, but then they were left with a drowning pool,'' with children sinking in the deep end, said Griffiths, director of aquatics at Penn State University.

The new all-shallow pools are usually no deeper than 5 feet, can accommodate more people and are seen as more appealing to families. Often they include water slides, spray toys and gradual, beach-like approaches that let people walk into the water. They are often irregularly shaped, because their design is no longer dictated by the need for lanes for serious swimmers.

``The definition of aquatics has changed,'' said Scot Hunsaker, president of Counsilman/Hunsaker Aquatic Designers, Planners and Engineers in St. Louis. ``Today we see the expectation of a family aquatic center.''

Philadelphia has been filling in its deep ends over the past several years, said Terri Kerwawich, the city's aquatics coordinator. After filling in two more this spring, the city has only 10 deep ends left at its 86 pools. All but one or two will eventually be filled in.

``It's not just a safety factor,'' she said. ``The deep ends were underutilized.''

Countryside YMCA in Lebanon, Ohio, built a pool in 2001 with water toys, a slide and a gradual entry.

``We went with our water park because we didn't have any recreational space for our families,'' said Holly Colon, the facility's aquatic executive. ``People are going away from the square hole in the ground.''

Chicago in recent years has built 25 interactive, ankle-deep water parks, said Chicago Park District spokeswoman Katherine McGuire. The one pool recently built has a gradual entry and is 5 feet deep. Every new pool that the city builds will have a gradual entry, McGuire said.

The deep end has not met its end yet. After replacing its diving boards with slides, the city of Phoenix three years ago opened a diving pool to accommodate demand.

Swimming at an all-shallow pool with her 8-year-old daughter on a sweltering day in Philadelphia, Maria Rinaldi said of the new design: ``I think it's safer. I don't think it matters too much to kids, just as long as they're in the pool.''

Marina Rinaldi echoed her mother: ``I like it the way it is.''

Tom Ebro, who runs Aquatic Risk Management, a safety consulting business in Lutz, Fla., said YMCAs, hotels and municipalities recognize new pool designs are safer.

But Griffiths said that while shallow pools probably prevent drownings, it is debatable whether they prevent diving injuries. He said shallow pools need to post their no-diving rules.

``We could be increasing the likelihood of catastrophic neck injuries if we don't aggressively sign it,'' he said.

There are about 250 pool-diving injuries a year in the United States, Griffiths said. Most happen in less than 5 feet of water.

At the all-shallow pool in Philadelphia, where ``No Jumping'' and ``No Diving'' signs are all over, at least two swimmers - Howard Williams, 15, and friend Derek Jones, 14 - longed for a deep end.

``You don't want to just go in feet first,'' Howard said. ``Here you can only go up to your waist.''
 

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``It's not just a safety factor,'' she said. ``The deep ends were underutilized.''
Gee, think that had anything to do with the lack of diving boards?
 

HAHAHHAHAHAHh

Reminds me of the south park episode where they were trying to keep their children safe.
So they wouldn't let the other baseball team come in and play.
 

Eli

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Shrug.

Doesen't really bother me, I hate swimming in public pools. Give me a lake or a river any day.
 

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Someday I'll have my own private pool with a deep end and a diving board.
 

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That's lame. YOu're right the pussification of America is being taken way too far. I played with fireworks, jumped off diving boards, rode a bike without a helmet, etc, and I'm FINE.

Kids in the future are going to be stuck inside al lthe time, forced to wear padded clothing whenever they leave the house, and compete in video game tournaments in which they are forced to use wireless controllers, as they may strangle themselves if they have cords.

It's going to be the freaking Matrix, only without the cool brain stimulating computers. "Have fun in your padded, fluid filled bubble, kids!"
 

GasX

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I remember hitchhiking as a kid...

You think teens today even know what that word means?
 

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Originally posted by: notfred
and compete in video game tournaments in which they are forced to use wireless controllers, as they may strangle themselves if they have cords.

Assuming they are lucky enough to play video games. The VIOLENCE!!!!! OH NOES!!!!
 

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Swimming at an all-shallow pool with her 8-year-old daughter on a sweltering day in Philadelphia, Maria Rinaldi said of the new design: ``I think it's safer.
Like an 8-year-old couldn't drown in a 5' pool?
 

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Originally posted by: notfred
That's lame. YOu're right the pussification of America is being taken way too far. I played with fireworks, jumped off diving boards, rode a bike without a helmet, etc, and I'm FINE.

Kids in the future are going to be stuck inside al lthe time, forced to wear padded clothing whenever they leave the house, and compete in video game tournaments in which they are forced to use wireless controllers, as they may strangle themselves if they have cords.

It's going to be the freaking Matrix, only without the cool brain stimulating computers. "Have fun in your padded, fluid filled bubble, kids!"

Yep. I quote Carlin: "Kids have to wear a helmet for everything these days except jerking off!"
 

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maybe they can have a diving pool, a wading pool, a splashing pool, a swimming pool (where you actually swim
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) , a peeing pool , a floating baby ruth pool, a old folks pool, ......
 

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Originally posted by: Cyberian
Swimming at an all-shallow pool with her 8-year-old daughter on a sweltering day in Philadelphia, Maria Rinaldi said of the new design: ``I think it's safer.
Like an 8-year-old couldn't drown in a 5' pool?

No kidding.
I remember reading somewhere that all you need is like three inches of water to drown, but I'm not sure.
 

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Sad. I love this:

Swimming at an all-shallow pool with her 8-year-old daughter on a sweltering day in Philadelphia, Maria Rinaldi said of the new design: ``I think it's safer. I don't think it matters too much to kids, just as long as they're in the pool.''

Your such a smart parent when the daughter apparently has no input and your making their opinions for them. Good job.

I remember when I was 8 the deep end was the highlight of it all, it was way more fun. The only way you could drown or get hurt is if you really tried.
 

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Originally posted by: Cyberian
Swimming at an all-shallow pool with her 8-year-old daughter on a sweltering day in Philadelphia, Maria Rinaldi said of the new design: ``I think it's safer.
Like an 8-year-old couldn't drown in a 5' pool?

That's what I was thinking.

I wouldn't doubt that it would reduce drownings at least a little though. If the kid starts having problems, and he's in the (Oh noes!) deep end, he could panic and make the situation worse...
 

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Originally posted by: Cyberian
Swimming at an all-shallow pool with her 8-year-old daughter on a sweltering day in Philadelphia, Maria Rinaldi said of the new design: ``I think it's safer.
Like an 8-year-old couldn't drown in a 5' pool?

Not only that, but you KNOW kids are cracking their heads, heels and chins on the bottom of that pool. What kid doesn't like to jump, dive and cannonball into a pool???

Teach your kid to swim. If he drowns, it's YOUR fault.

I do NOT want to live in a child-proof world, nor do I want my kids to be raised in one.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Cyberian
Swimming at an all-shallow pool with her 8-year-old daughter on a sweltering day in Philadelphia, Maria Rinaldi said of the new design: ``I think it's safer.
Like an 8-year-old couldn't drown in a 5' pool?

That's what I was thinking.

I wouldn't doubt that it would reduce drownings at least a little though. If the kid starts having problems, and he's in the (Oh noes!) deep end, he could panic and make the situation worse...

Yeah, a 4' kid will be so much better off in 5' of water vs 10', right?
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Drowning in deep ends? Isn't that what lifeguards are for? I guarded for a couple summers and did my damndest to keep the little bastards safe - as irritating as they were - even in the 12ft deep end.

Hell, the pool even had 2 (!) one meter diving boards (they closed the high dive; I guess you can't win them all).
 

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I think you guys are pushing the "safety" crap too much. I actualy think it is a good idea in terms of making the pool more "family friendly". If you had little kids (or even kids up to 8-9 years old), half of the pool (the deep end) has always been off limits. I don't mean just swimming either. If you go to your typical "country club" type outdoor pool, there will be a lot of people in the pool who aren't necessarily swimming (they might be tossing a ball around or whatever). You can't do that sort of stuff in the deep end (easily) if you are a kid. Now, there is twice as much pool availiable for everyone.
 

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one of my brothers moron friends has braces
dove into a 12ft pool the other day...towards the slope *sigh* and hit his teeth on the bottom, knocked off his braces

kids are getting dumber and dumber
 

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I remember the diving boards at the deep ends of the pool being the tests of courage and guts as a little kid ... "I dare you to jump off the diving board" ... I dare you to jump off head first" ... "No I dare you to jump off the high dive!!!" If you blew your dive, it hurt, and you tried to do it better.

Maybe it's simplistic, but I think that stuff builds courage and character. If we take it away, kids will find other, potentially more dangerous, ways to test themselves then under the eye of a lifeguard in the deep end of the pool. Or they'll end up wimps.

Besides, how much protection are we really getting ...

"There are about 250 pool-diving injuries a year in the United States, Griffiths said. Most happen in less than 5 feet of water.

250/year?? This is a trivial number given the population of this country. And most are in < 5' of water?
So eliminating the deep ends won't prevent most diving injuries anyway, and I bet a large fraction of these injuries don't occur in public pools to begin with. I bet diving injuries go up, because people are going to jump and dive anyway, even if it is shallow.

And at a protected pool, nobody should ever drown regardless of the depth.

Finally, this kind of crap really pisses me off:

"The old-style ``drowning pools'' won't be missed, said aquatics expert Tom Griffiths."

Don't botter debating the merits of the issue, just come of with an dramatic, nasty sounding sound bite and color anybody who objects.
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Eli

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Cyberian
Swimming at an all-shallow pool with her 8-year-old daughter on a sweltering day in Philadelphia, Maria Rinaldi said of the new design: ``I think it's safer.
Like an 8-year-old couldn't drown in a 5' pool?

That's what I was thinking.

I wouldn't doubt that it would reduce drownings at least a little though. If the kid starts having problems, and he's in the (Oh noes!) deep end, he could panic and make the situation worse...
Yeah, a 4' kid will be so much better off in 5' of water vs 10', right?
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Did you even read what I said? Apparently not. Look, I agree that this is lame. I was just throwing ideas out there.

Please read, and think about my comment again.