What you want is for people other than yourself to do a lot of extra work for free.
How much extra work do you do for free? Would you like some from me? Why not? I'd like you to come over and de-thatch my lawn, re-stain my 6' privacy fence, and re-stain my deck?
You don't want to? Awww,C'mon! It would be great!
The moral here is you can ask people to work for free, but don't be too surprised if they don't. AT has become one of the premier hardware sites on the web with their current methods, I don't know why they'd change.
I didn't realize there were so many difficult people lurking around the forums these days. Forget I even suggested worthwhile review articles. Close the thread; it's pointless when some people are just looking for things to argue about instead of just either voicing support for an idea or clicking Back and moving on to the next thread.
You're being a baby. This thread was TAME and people were quite respecful towards you on the whole. Talk about a tirade. :thumbsdown: :roll:
LOL what a wuss
So, you don't really want a "discussion"- you want instead for only people with the same exact views as you to say "gee-wiz, you are smart! What amazing ideas! We never thought of those novel ideas before! You must be a genius of something!!" :laugh:
Hilarious!
SickBeast: Look up the definition of 'tirade'. Not even close. And it's not "being a baby" to not bother wasting time better spent elsewhere as soon as one recognizes the frivolousness of allowing such a trainwreck to continue. In fact, it's the opposite of your conclusion. For someone who's been here so long you sure have a poor grasp of comprehending the written word.
ElTorrente: That's right, I never asked for a "discussion" in this thread. Very good, you figured that all out on your own! While I never wanted praise, it wasn't something up for debate to be argued about. It was a suggestion thread and generally in such a thread (anywhere else, at least) people would either voice support or ignore it, because it does not affect anything currently done by the Anandtech staff. It was an addition, not a change or substitution for any current review process. Routinely in this short-lived thread, however, several people could not grasp that simple concept and insisted on arguing against something that clearly had no bearing or impact on them. That's simply foolishness, so I put an end to it.
I didn't realize that this was too complicated a concept for this crowd.
SickBeast: Look up the definition of 'tirade'. Not even close. And it's not "being a baby" to not bother wasting time better spent elsewhere as soon as one recognizes the frivolousness of allowing such a trainwreck to continue. In fact, it's the opposite of your conclusion. For someone who's been here so long you sure have a poor grasp of comprehending the written word.
ElTorrente: That's right, I never asked for a "discussion" in this thread. Very good, you figured that all out on your own!
While I never wanted praise, it wasn't something up for debate to be argued about. It was a suggestion thread and generally in such a thread (anywhere else, at least) people would either voice support or ignore it, because it does not affect anything currently done by the Anandtech staff. It was an addition, not a change or substitution for any current review process. Routinely in this short-lived thread, however, several people could not grasp that simple concept and insisted on arguing against something that clearly had no bearing or impact on them. That's simply foolishness, so I put an end to it.I didn't realize that this was too complicated a concept for this crowd.
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Yacoub,
You can come up with any idea that you want. If its a good enough idea, it might even become a sticky at the top of the forum. If the idea is not so hot, you should expect to hear from people who will tell you why they think its not so hot and give reasons. Which I believe every one who responded with "not so hot" did. There were a couple of people who agreed with you right away, but it didn't look like they thought about it too much.
So, in here, you need to take supportive comments with non supportive comments alike.
Nobody was trying to knock you down which is the way you are taking it and mentioning that some people who do not agree with you are being "difficult". Respect others opinions no matter what they are. This isn't a "Agree with me or go away." forum, which I think you now know.
Cheers.
You can come up with any idea that you want. If its a good enough idea, it might even become a sticky at the top of the forum. If the idea is not so hot, you should expect to hear from people who will tell you why they think its not so hot and give reasons. Which I believe every one who responded with "not so hot" did. There were a couple of people who agreed with you right away, but it didn't look like they thought about it too much.
So, in here, you need to take supportive comments with non supportive comments alike.
Nobody was trying to knock you down which is the way you are taking it and mentioning that some people who do not agree with you are being "difficult". Respect others opinions no matter what they are. This isn't a "Agree with me or go away." forum, which I think you now know.
Cheers.
Nobody is being "difficult". I'm just pointing out it's a lot of work to run benchmarks multiple times, and asking them to do extra work because you think it would be good may not fly.
As far as your position that "people should agree with me or shut up", don't you think the reviewers who would have to do the work deserve to see if people want them to or not?
Or should they just do it because you say so, and your opinion and the people who agree with is the only one that matters?
Maybe instead of asking AT to do extra work to review your hardware choices, you should do extra work to buy their "monster God box"? As has been noted here, they use the fastest cpu possible to try as much as possible to remove the cpu limitations.
Nobody wants to see 16X12 0X0X= 55fps, 16X12 8X16X=55fps.
It is clear you still do not understand the point of such a review.
By the way, I will not waste the money to buy a 'god box' no matter how much income I have. A waste is still a waste and I am not wasteful.
That's actually part of the point of the review I was describing - it would be a way for conservative buyers to figure out which GPU to get for their next build that won't require a 7800 series card. I realize now that some of you around here cannot comprehend why anyone would want to spend less than the maximum they can afford on a computer. Some of us are a little more economically conscious than that and aren't satisfied just seeing peak performance numbers for the fastest videocard on the fastest processor, because those will never be on our list of parts for consideration.
I'm not sure why I'm wasting the time explaining this yet again because I'm sure some still won't get it. :-\
By the way, I will not waste the money to buy a 'god box' no matter how much income I have. A waste is still a waste and I am not wasteful.
That's actually part of the point of the review I was describing - it would be a way for conservative buyers to figure out which GPU to get for their next build that won't require a 7800 series card. I realize now that some of you around here cannot comprehend why anyone would want to spend less than the maximum they can afford on a computer. Some of us are a little more economically conscious than that and aren't satisfied just seeing peak performance numbers for the fastest videocard on the fastest processor, because those will never be on our list of parts for consideration.
I'm not sure why I'm wasting the time explaining this yet again because I'm sure some still won't get it. :-\
Let's say they did a review with all cards from a X1300/6600GT up to the high end x1800/7800GTX using a AMD Athlon64 Venice 3200+ core. A 6800GT would equal a 7800 GTX (plus or minus a few frames) because the games would be CPU bound.
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Ok, I have had just about enough of your subtle insults my friend. Enough with the "Unable to comprehend" BS. It has been demonstrated to you that it has been understood and it has been disagreed with. I suggest you and your ego go back to the other forum where you said people either agreed with you, or ignored the thread.
What is clear to us is you cannot handle the "criticism" of your idea. Taking criticism from peers is how a lot is learned.
Arrrggh.
1. If the cards are CPU limited, the benchmark is pointless!
2. AT reviews all the cards when they come out, refer back to them.
3. If you want info like this, simply type in www.firingsquad.com into your address line. They do such comparisons all the time?
4. AT uses different levels of cards in it's reviews as well.
5. You're not paying anyone at AT to do this extra work.
6. AT is one of the most successful review sites out there with their current business model. How do you know if they start filling half the review with $150 cpus and $200 video cards people who've made them successful won't leave thinking "WTH do I care about this old crap for- I want to see what the new stuff does- I saw this last year?"
7. You do not get to define what is a "waste" and "wasteful" for the rest of us. I say it's more wasteful to spend $330 on a X850XT or $250 on a X800XL than it is to spend $430 on a 7800GTX. Your definition of being economical isn't mine.
I'm still left wondering what you can't comprehend about this being a test of video cards, not the CPU. You want to ELIMINATE ALL OTHER VARIABLES.
Reviewers, in an attempt to perform a scientific study of sorts, try to eliminate all other variables like xtknight said. Sort of like how you have eliminated all your posts in a whiny fit...
Exactly. What many others have said in this thread has been right on the money - what's the point of testing a $500 GPU with the cheapest $130 A64 you can find? These kinds of combinations would create a LOT of extra work for the AT reviewers, and it probably wouldn't be worth it.
(I'll also add that there were some good suggestions in this thread, but it was quite obvious that the OP just wanted to find people who agreed with him. It was quite humorous to see him go back and delete the text of all his posts, like a child throwing a tantrum or something :laugh:[/i])
LOL!
Some here would have AT staffers do free extra work when they probably work overtime as it is.
Some would say "I've defined a niche market I think AT staffers should cater to, so they should!"
Dude, if you're going by the "majority" A64 3200+ and a X800XL isn't it- try integrated- why exclude them?
Wow - this thread has become kind of a mess since I last checked it. I understand what has been said about how any one given midrange system wouldn't match up with everyone's own PC, and therefore not be directly comparable, and I also understand that this idea probably isn't feasible because of all the additional work necessary, but I stand behind my earlier statement that I at least hope older gen cards will get coverage when doing a game based review (like the hopefully upcoming FEAR benches). No matter how much wonderful coverage AT offered when the card launched, that doesn't help tell me how it will run games being released now. On the other hand, links have been posted to other sites that apparently do this, so I guess the info is out there.
Rollo: Not sure if I agree with you regarding the appropriateness of asking AT to do additional work (also pretty sure you aren't looking looking for outside approval, but I digress). While I sincerely appreciate every review and article on this site, and think the staff does a wonderful job, I in no way feel indebted to them, nor do I feel like requesting changes is in any way out of line. Anand and all of the other staff do this site voluntarily, as a job, and the site in compensated financially., no different than the staffs who offer us free searches at Google or free web browsers at Mozilla. Just because the business plan gives the content to me free of charge doesn't mean its charity. Anandtech could switch to a pay site tomorrow if they wanted to, and they would have every right, they owe me and any other user nothing, but we don't owe them anything either. There is a free market for websites out there, and obviously Anandtech has fulfilled a niche in that market, and I think their success speaks well of them, but the OP is also a customer for what AT sells, and he has as much right to want desire certain features as anyone else. Telling Yacoub that he has no right to criticism of somebody who works hard is no different from telling a radio listener who has a favorite station that just doubled their amount of commercials or changed formats his/her only recourse is to switch stations. Switching would be an option, but feedback designed to make the station aware of the desires of its customers, even if it ends up going another direction, is never out of line. The same goes for any source of information online, free or otherwise.
Rollo: Not sure if I agree with you regarding the appropriateness of asking AT to do additional work (also pretty sure you aren't looking looking for outside approval, but I digress). While I sincerely appreciate every review and article on this site, and think the staff does a wonderful job, I in no way feel indebted to them, nor do I feel like requesting changes is in any way out of line. Anand and all of the other staff do this site voluntarily, as a job, and the site in compensated financially., no different than the staffs who offer us free searches at Google or free web browsers at Mozilla. Just because the business plan gives the content to me free of charge doesn't mean its charity. Anandtech could switch to a pay site tomorrow if they wanted to, and they would have every right, they owe me and any other user nothing, but we don't owe them anything either. There is a free market for websites out there, and obviously Anandtech has fulfilled a niche in that market, and I think their success speaks well of them, but the OP is also a customer for what AT sells, and he has as much right to want desire certain features as anyone else. Telling Yacoub that he has no right to criticism of somebody who works hard is no different from telling a radio listener who has a favorite station that just doubled their amount of commercials or changed formats his/her only recourse is to switch stations. Switching would be an option, but feedback designed to make the station aware of the desires of its customers, even if it ends up going another direction, is never out of line. The same goes for any source of information online, free or otherwise.
Well testing older (sometimes they omit even last-gen) cards wouldn't be so bad. But there is no reason to test different CPUs. What are the CPU articles' Gaming Performance section for?!
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