Someone want to explain why the morning-after pill is only available by perscription?

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Hummin

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Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: HomeAppraiser
They are birth control pills taken in higher dose. Birth control pills are prescription, not over the counter, so is the morning after pill. Some people cannot or should not take them because of the high dose of hormones.

that's true, but that's not really the reason why they're not OTC... they meet FDA requirements for OTC and were overwhelmingly recommended OTC status by the most recent FDA advisory panels. so it's not safety that's holding it back.

It's like you said..the FDA advisory committee that investigated the Plan B pills recommended they be OTC. And while the FDA usually, actually almost always, follows the recommendation of the advisory committee, the acting head of the FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, Steven Galson, said when he denied its OTC status he was doing so out of concern for young girls. Galson said he was especially worried about "the younger age group, between 11 and 14, where we know there is a substantial amount of sexual activity."


To wit, the agency is keeping Plan B out of reach because some of the people most likely to need it?kids?might actually get it. The decision is so nonsensical it can only be political. But who exactly the Bush administration might be appeasing with this declaration of war on teenage girls is unclear. For opponents of abortion, the choice to block access to a drug that could drastically lower the abortion rate is bizarre. And while some conservatives have expressed fear that the drug might somehow cause kids to have sex, as Galson himself points out, teens are already having sex?even without easy recourse to Plan B.

Indeed, nearly one in five teenage girls has had sex by her 15th birthday, according to the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy. Given that reality, the FDA's decision to deprive these kids of nonprescription emergency contraception?which is already available in 33 countries?condemns the less fortunate of them to early pregnancy. Since it's undoubtedly been a long time since President Bush or Steven Galson or any of the other men setting the administration's reproductive policy have had unplanned pregnancies themselves, perhaps it's time for a review of what happens next.

These girls give birth or have abortions?the latter an outcome the administration supposedly abhors. According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, a nonprofit that researches reproductive issues, 8,519 girls 14 and under gave birth, and another 8,560 had abortions in 2000, the most recent year for which there are statistics. Those between 15 and 17 had another 157,209 births and 84,770 abortions.

So what's a girl who's just had unprotected sex, or had a condom fail, to do? Theoretically, since Plan B is available with a prescription, she can immediately explain her dilemma to her parents, who will talk it over with her in soothing voices, make an appointment with her doctor, cart her over to the office (her parents have the day off and a car, you see), get the prescription, and then take her to the neighborhood pharmacy, which will happily dispense the drug. All of this must happen quickly, of course, since the sooner after sex she takes it, the better the chances it'll work.


In reality, many girls don't have insurance providers, doctors, or understanding parents. And some who do are simply afraid to ask them for a prescription, as Jennifer, a high school senior from New York City, well knows. She was 16 and attending boarding school when the condom she and her boyfriend were using broke. "I freaked out," says Jennifer. "I thought about going to the doctor, but if I had visited a doctor, the school would have told my parents?and I was scared of that." If emergency contraception had been available at the time, Jennifer says she would have taken it. Instead, she says she ended up getting pregnant and having an abortion, an experience she describes as "really tough."

The girls who give birth have it worse. Pregnancy can be dangerous for young teens. For starters, they're at increased risk of having labor obstructed by their narrow hips, which can result in their disability or death. Their babies don't do very well either, with infants born to women age 15 or younger having more than twice the average infant death rate. And we all know teens aren't as ready as adults for the demands of parenting.

Still, the FDA says it's concerned about what might happen if these girls could pluck Plan B off a pharmacy shelf, where we already present a selection of potentially deadly medicines, from sleeping pills to cough syrups. If we trust teens with those, why not let them buy the far safer contraceptive? Daniel Summers, an adolescent specialist who has dispensed the two-pill regimen to hundreds of girls between 14 and 20 through Mount Sinai's Adolescent Health Center, says he has never had a patient who couldn't understand how to take it. "It's very straightforward," says Summers. "And, of course, it's vastly, vastly more benign than either outcome of a teen pregnancy."


And of course, this increase in sexual or risky behavior argument in itself is rather ridiculous. Providing women with easy access to the emergency contraceptive Plan B did not lead them to engage in more risky sexual behavior, a study of more than 2,000 California women has concluded.

The study did find that women given a supply to keep at home were more than 1 1/2 times as likely to use the drug after unprotected sex as those who had to pick it up at a clinic or pharmacy. The findings led the study authors to conclude that easy access to Plan B, also called the morning-after pill, could reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies while posing no apparent risk to women.

The study, conducted by the Center for Reproductive Health Research and Policy at the University of California at San Francisco, looked at the experiences of 2,117 San Francisco-area women ages 15 to 24 who were randomly put into one of three groups -- one was given the drug to take home, the second could pick it up without a prescription at a clinic, and the third could get it without a prescription at a pharmacy.

The study found that about the same percentage of each group had unprotected sex over a six-month period, that incidence of sexually transmitted disease was equal, and that about the same percentage became pregnant.

The new study, being published today in the Journal of the American Medical Association, supports the position taken by much of the FDA review staff and 23 of 27 members of the FDA advisory panel that the drug could be safely and properly used without a prescription.


But, I suppose, when the Christian-right controls our society, as it does now, one cannot expect much in the way of any freedom outside what is deemed right and appropriate according to the Bible and the fundamentalists' beliefs.
 

AccruedExpenditure

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The morning after pill is available withOUT a prescription. Why some of you bother to contribute to a subject you know nothing about is beyond me.
 

PingSpike

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We're so concerned about young girls health that...we want to ensure they become pregnant highschool dropouts whose children are fed by the government's welfare state.

When you have a perscription for birth control pills, you get like a million of them. If you're a retard, you could probably fvck yourself up pretty bad if you ate them all at once. The morning after pill is 4 pills or something, and they only give you one. If you ate all the one they gave you...its the recommended dosage. Even a retard couldn't screw that up. Not to mention asprin is over the counter and there's no protection preventing me from swallowing a whole...or even 50 bottles of that.

Its the same reason they're blocking that cheap vaccine for...HPV I think? It would make sex safer, and they don't want that. That sucks some of a punch out of their whole "sex is evil" campaign. They'd rather a few girls get cervical cancer to prove a point.
 

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So that people don't rely on it as regular contraception. It's an emergency contraceptive that isn't that good for the body. If it is available too easily, people could be more tempted to have unprotected sex and rely on it rather than use it in worst case scenarios only. This could lead to an increase of STDs and STIs.

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Thegonagle

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Originally posted by: AccruedExpenditure
The morning after pill is available withOUT a prescription. Why some of you bother to contribute to a subject you know nothing about is beyond me.

Not in 45 states. Who's demonstrating a lack of knowledge?

 

Vette73

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Because republicans and right-wing Christians are running things right now.


Originally posted by: AccruedExpenditure
The morning after pill is available withOUT a prescription. Why some of you bother to contribute to a subject you know nothing about is beyond me.


Where at then as birth control is still prescription and the morning after pill is just birth control in higher dose.
 

purbeast0

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in Maryland its prescription only. Good thing I knew someone who could prescribe it for my GF when we had an accident last year.

It is called Plan B and its 2 tiny pills you take 12 hours apart from eachother. It was like $20 I think, dont remember exactly.
 

0roo0roo

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there is no logic, just the god squad imposing its will like they try to do everywhere they can. dirka dirka jihad!
 

Terumo

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
there is no logic, just the god squad imposing its will like they try to do everywhere they can. dirka dirka jihad!

Actually there's a lot of logic to keep a potential killer off the shelves. Visit the bottom link in my sig and do some research at Medline.

The FDA doesn't get it right all of the time, but they do help prevent even more snake oil sales.

I don't care about the religious angle, what I do care about is any drug that has a potential to kill unexpected populations (i.e., the young and healthy), to be heavily regulated. Not only because of medical ethics, but because the drug manufacturing industry doesn't need to go into hiatus because of the fear of more Vioxx style class action lawsuits that cripples the industry (even though Merck deserved it!). There's some interesting, novel and promising medications for chronic illnesses in the pipeline -- and damn if this abortion issue is going to kill others in the process.

Terumo
 

pontifex

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if you took any time to think about it, you get it before hand, that way you have it when you need it and can take it the morning after. i don't think its one of those things thats like "oh sh!t, i better go get one of these" the morning after you need it.
 

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It's prescription only in most states, and frankly that's BS.

It's available without a prescription in most countries.

To improve access, five states ? California, Washington, Alaska, Hawaii and New Mexico ? already allow women to buy morning-after pills from certain pharmacists without a prescription. FDA's decision does not affect those programs.
 

orakle

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In Quebec (Canada) the MAP is an OTC drug. I think you need to go into a consultation room at the pharmacy and have the pharmacist talk down to you for a few minutes, and then they will sell you the pill without a prescription. Having to make an appointment with a doctor and get a prescription for an emergency contraceptive is pretty counter-intuitive.
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: PingSpike
Its the same reason they're blocking that cheap vaccine for...HPV I think? It would make sex safer, and they don't want that. That sucks some of a punch out of their whole "sex is evil" campaign. They'd rather a few girls get cervical cancer to prove a point.

The problem is that religious fundies feel that unwanted children and STDs are God's righteous punishment for what they see as immoral sexual behavior.
 

Zanix

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Originally posted by: Thegonagle
Originally posted by: AccruedExpenditure
The morning after pill is available withOUT a prescription. Why some of you bother to contribute to a subject you know nothing about is beyond me.

Not in 45 states. Who's demonstrating a lack of knowledge?

ownz
 

Terumo

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The problem is that religious fundies feel that unwanted children and STDs are God's righteous punishment for what they see as immoral sexual behavior.

There's a reason they're getting their agendas fulfilled: Dems didn't come out to vote, and didn't appeal to the independents to win elections.

Now folks are crying foul that decades of Dem agendas are slowly being turned over. If Dems/Liberals don't like the changes, don't cry over spilled milk, actually vote to get things done (not blog about woes that don't translate into actual votes at election time).

Terumo
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ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Murphy Durphy
As mentioned, the Morning After Pill is merely regular birth control, 2 pills in fact. The issue is that if you make the MAP over the counter, since it is basically birth control, then birth control would become over the counter.

And then it becomes an abbortion/religious problem. Like all good problems.

actually the number varies and certain brands of birth control are certified for 'emergency' use. they'll usually have instructions like 'take 2 of the pink pills and follow it the next day with 1 of the yellow'
 

johnjohn320

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Originally posted by: AccruedExpenditure
The morning after pill is available withOUT a prescription. Why some of you bother to contribute to a subject you know nothing about is beyond me.

Ok, smartass, how about for those of us that don't live in California or one of the other 4 states? It's one thing to make a false statement, it's another to follow a false statement with an insult.

So that people don't rely on it as regular contraception. It's an emergency contraceptive that isn't that good for the body. If it is available too easily, people could be more tempted to have unprotected sex and rely on it rather than use it in worst case scenarios only. This could lead to an increase of STDs and STIs.

Kind of like how making condoms available to high schoolers increased sexual activity (proven to be false in many studies already)? Kids/teens are having sex. You're not gonna stop them by keeping this pill off the shelves.

if you took any time to think about it, you get it before hand, that way you have it when you need it and can take it the morning after. i don't think its one of those things thats like "oh sh!t, i better go get one of these" the morning after you need it.

One of the first questions they ask you when you go to get a perscription for it is "when did the unprotected sex occur?" If you say you haven't had the sex yet, they won't perscribe it for you. Not that I'm speaking from experience or anything :eek:
 

Thegonagle

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Every point that the anti-MAP people come up with is so easy to debunk that I'm surprised that they even keep trying.

From everything I hear, the "they'll use it instead of condoms" scare tactic is BS; every girl I've talked with about the MAP says that it makes them sick for 1-3 days. Therefore, if they plan on using it instead of normal contraception, they'll be doing that one time and one time only.

The abortion issue is bunk as well, and what's worse, they know it! They're deliberately clouding the issue by creating confusion over what the MAP actually does. This is made quite easy by the existence of an actual abortifacient called Mifepristone, AKA RU486. RU486 is not available in the US, with or without a prescription. Let's try to get this straight, you uptight religious fundamentalist control freaks: the MAP is NOT, NOT, NOT RU486. RU486 ends an existing pregnancy up to nine weeks from conception. The MAP does nothing more than prevent implantation of a fertilized egg, just like the regular contraceptive pill does. Even uptight pharmacies, like WalMart--who refuse to sell the MAP--sell contraceptive pills. The MAP does not end a pregnancy--it prevents it from occurring at all.

Considering that one must go through a pharmacist to obtain the MAP, I don't see any danger, and the social and moral objections are bunk.
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: Thegonagle
Every point that the anti-MAP people come up with is so easy to debunk that I'm surprised that they even keep trying.

From everything I hear, the "they'll use it instead of condoms" scare tactic is BS; every girl I've talked with about the MAP says that it makes them sick for 1-3 days. Therefore, if they plan on using it instead of normal contraception, they'll be doing that one time and one time only.

The abortion issue is bunk as well, and what's worse, they know it! They're deliberately clouding the issue by creating confusion over what the MAP actually does. This is made quite easy by the existence of an actual abortifacient called Mifepristone, AKA RU486. RU486 is not available in the US, with or without a prescription. Let's try to get this straight, you uptight religious fundamentalist control freaks: the MAP is NOT, NOT, NOT RU486. RU486 ends an existing pregnancy up to nine weeks from conception. The MAP does nothing more than prevent implantation of a fertilized egg, just like the regular contraceptive pill does. Even uptight pharmacies, like WalMart--who refuse to sell the MAP--sell contraceptive pills. The MAP does not end a pregnancy--it prevents it from occurring at all.

Considering that one must go through a pharmacist to obtain the MAP, I don't see any danger, and the social and moral objections are bunk.

I have no moral issue with RU486 either, and believe it should be legal in the US. But that's a topic for another thread.
 

jcovercash

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Probally also so every little 14 y/o that gets knocked up doesnt just go to cvs and get a pill to solve their problems and harm their body