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Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: aircooled
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: aircooled
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: aircooled
I think PCI express is backwards compatible with PCI (but i could be wrong).
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I'm afraid you're wrong. 🙁
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I'm pretty sure old PCI works in new PCI express slots (not the other way around).
overseeing the PCI interface standard.
Intel, in partnership with several other companies which include the likes of IBM, Dell, Compaq, HP and Microsoft, recently introduced what will be the new standard for PC I/O in the years to come; PCI Express (formerly 3GIO or 3rd Generation I/O) is the name which it was given by PCI-SIG, the committee responsible for overseeing the PCI interface standard.

Approved as a standard on April 17 2002, PCI Express is an evolutionary upgrade to the existing PCI bus. It co-exists with the now 'legacy' PCI bus, but in terms of form, it is something completely new.
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You're misreading that. What they mean is that you can place classic PCI slots on mobo's that also have PCI express slots.
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Thats what i thought he was asking, I just wanted him to know that conventional PCI will work with the new PCI express but not the other way around.
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To be 100% clear: I am saying that you CAN NOT place a PCI card in a PCI express slot. The two aren't even physically compatible. They are talking about SOFTWARE compatability over on ARS -- not hardware. That is, you can boot an OS that only supports the PCI bus, and it will recognize PCIe cards, so long as they have drivers for said OS. That is ALL they're saying.
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I'm sure you are correct (as I have little experience with PCIx), just seems that all my research says it's backwards compatable. I'll know first hand shortly as we just ordered 19 new computers that are PCI Express along with standard PCI serial port cards I need to install. The manufacturere says it will work fine. I'll know by the end of the week.
 
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PCI-X is fully backward-compatible with PCI, so PCI-X cards can be plugged into PCI slots, and software written for PCI-X will work on PCI-equipped PCs. However, PCI-X cards will exchange data at PCI speeds when plugged into PCI slots.
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I have 19 PCI cards that fit perfectly into the PCI-X slots of the new Dells my company purchaced. I've just not had a chance to test them yet. I'll let you know if it works (I have to have it done by the end of the week).
 
Originally posted by: aircooled
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PCI-X is fully backward-compatible with PCI, so PCI-X cards can be plugged into PCI slots, and software written for PCI-X will work on PCI-equipped PCs. However, PCI-X cards will exchange data at PCI speeds when plugged into PCI slots.
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I have 19 PCI cards that fit perfectly into the PCI-X slots of the new Dells my company purchaced. I've just not had a chance to test them yet. I'll let you know if it works (I have to have it done by the end of the week).
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Oh!

PCI-e and PCI-X are two comptletely unrelated standards. BOtrh were concieved as replacements for PCI, but PCI-X is a server standard, PCIe is a newer, desktop standard.
 
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PCI-X is fully backward-compatible with PCI, so PCI-X cards can be plugged into PCI slots, and software written for PCI-X will work on PCI-equipped PCs. However, PCI-X cards will exchange data at PCI speeds when plugged into PCI slots.

PCI Express is software-compatible with PCI, but it represents a new direction for the hardware side of the technology, and PCI Express cards will not work in PCI slots. A PCI-to-PCI Express bridge, which would allow the Express cards to work in older slots, is in development by the Arapahoe Work Group, Yanes says. Because PCI-SIG does not own that development process, Yanes is unable to comment on a time frame for the bridge's release.

PCI Express is designed to be scalable and is a serial input/output technology. Serial I/O technology, which has been used in other industry standards such as Infiniband and Fibre Channel, allows data to be exchanged more reliably over longer distances, Yanes says.
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I'm installing standard PCI Serial port cards in PCI Express machines. Physically they fit but I have yet to test them, the OS recognizes them, but I have to test them before the end of the week
I was under the impression that PCI-X and PCI Express where ther same thing. Guess I was wrong.
 
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: RMSistight
What about the ATI HDTV Remote edition? But my friend said it sucks.
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Pretty sure it only tunes HDTV...not 100% though, but you should definitely find out before you buy if you need regular TV reception.
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It will tune both HDTV and SDTV (Standard Definition) It comes with two programs, 1 for SDTV and one for HDTV
 
Originally posted by: Quasmo
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: RMSistight
What about the ATI HDTV Remote edition? But my friend said it sucks.
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Pretty sure it only tunes HDTV...not 100% though, but you should definitely find out before you buy if you need regular TV reception.
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It will tune both HDTV and SDTV (Standard Definition) It comes with two programs, 1 for SDTV and one for HDTV
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This is correct. However, it uses a software tuner for SDTV and a hardware tuner for OTA HDTV. Because of this, the picture quality for SDTV is inferior to what you get with a hardware tuner such as a PVR-150 or PVR-250. It also uses more CPU resources. Another drawback is that software tuners are not supported in Windows MCE, so if you install the card MCE will only recognize the HDTV tuner. You can get hacked drivers (search avsforum for 'kram') that force MCE to use both tuners, though. Many people have reported good results with these drivers.
 
Originally posted by: KoolAidKid
Originally posted by: Quasmo
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: RMSistight
What about the ATI HDTV Remote edition? But my friend said it sucks.
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Pretty sure it only tunes HDTV...not 100% though, but you should definitely find out before you buy if you need regular TV reception.
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It will tune both HDTV and SDTV (Standard Definition) It comes with two programs, 1 for SDTV and one for HDTV
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This is correct. However, it uses a software tuner for SDTV and a hardware tuner for OTA HDTV. Because of this, the picture quality for SDTV is inferior to what you get with a hardware tuner such as a PVR-150 or PVR-250. It also uses more CPU resources. Another drawback is that software tuners are not supported in Windows MCE, so if you install the card MCE will only recognize the HDTV tuner. You can get hacked drivers (search avsforum for 'kram') that force MCE to use both tuners, though. Many people have reported good results with these drivers.
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Good to know. Thanks for enlightening me guys. 🙂 :beer:
 
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