Someone, please....explain this.

SheHateMe

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My University basically has a rag for a school newspaper. They hire these College kids to "report" on stuff and most of what we end up with are weekly Op-ed's about unimportant things or non-issues.

Today, I check the rag because I had free time at work...and I came across this:

“You have seven allowed skip days,” my professor chuckled the first day of ISP 205.

“After that, the attendance portion of your grade will be affected.”

Wait, what?

The questionable system of attendance policy troubles me. There are many things I’d consider before missing more than seven classes.

First, forcing me to attend a required science, or ISP course, actually makes me want to attend less.
But for the occasional skipper, strict attendance policies really could put a damper on old habits.

Unlike high school, (which was really just a precursor to 10 times the amount of work you’d be doing in college), attending a Big Ten university isn’t always taken as seriously as it should be.
As a sophomore in college, I’m already beginning to worry if I’ll be able to find a job in my career field. What does it really take to get me where I need to go?

Showing up to class should be the most obvious way to get a good grade and in turn, an almost $100,000 piece of paper — my diploma. But as I’ve noticed lately, my full schedule is getting in the way of my sleep. And I need my sleep. So naturally, I’m bound to miss a few classes here and there.

Considerably similar in the real world, you’re going to have to put your big girl pants on and get to work, even if you didn’t brush your teeth that morning or remember to put on deodorant. If you can’t even make it to a 50-minute lecture, how the heck are you going to get up for a real world job?

I might be a little hypocritical here because I tend to skip my science and social studies sessions, but that’s because they bore me to death. I do and always will be excited to wake up for classes that actually deal with my major and my future occupation.

In reality, it’s your choice if you want to skip. If you want to miss and lose out on attendance points, that’s your roughly $430-a credit hour tuition going down the drain. But for Pete’s sake, attend lectures having to do with your major. Why else are you here?

Getting by on only sitting through the first and last day of lecture might not suffice. It might be cutting it a little too close, especially if you only attend two statistics and probability recitations (math has never been my forte).

In classes that are too large to record attendance manually, iClickers are required to see if you actually go. This idea seems a bit elementary to me. Is my professor going to track where I go for dinner, too? It isn’t a professor’s responsibility to get me to class every day through strict attendance policies, although they should work to keep students interested enough that they actually want to show up.

Additionally, rewarding students who click in responses for extra credit doesn’t conduct what a real-life occupation would be like at all. If I’m on time for work, I’m on time. I don’t get a cookie or bonus cash for doing what I’m supposed to be doing in the first place. If I don’t show up, I’ll get fired.

People who skip valuable classes should know that they’re probably going to skip out on their future. That is, unless they are so smart they don’t need to attend lecture and can get 4.0 grades by reading PowerPoints online and acing a few class-determining exams. This doesn’t work for me, and probably doesn’t work for most people.

Ultimately, it all comes down to responsibility. By this time in my life, I should know what it takes to get the grades I desire and how much effort I have to put into carrying out a daily 15-credit schedule while balancing a job. It’s mutual for those students who choose to regularly skip class. Attendance policies shouldn’t be necessary. There are plenty of reasons you should want to show up to class.

It should be left up to the individual to choose what path they’d like to take — whether it be to success or failure.

Cayden Royce is a State News staff reporter. Reach her at croyce@statenews.com.

http://statenews.com/article/2013/09/attendance-policies-shouldnt-be-necessary




I mean, is this even a legitimate grievance? Most of my classes only allow 2 skips before your grade starts dropping. She gets 7 and thats a problem? Having to use iClickers for class participation is also a problem?

I don't think this chica is ready for College. Can't believe she is even stressed about getting a job related to her major. She should be stressed about getting a job with that attitude.
 

BlitzPuppet

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College is retarded. I can't tell you how worthless it was for me, but it was a waste of money sadly :(.
wait, your grade is dependent on your attendance in 'murica?

Yes, at my college it was 2-3 allowed absences, then after that your grade dropped a letter for each additional day.
 

brianmanahan

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she makes it sound like a problem, then not a problem, then a problem again. i would give her a C for this article.

and i dont think its a legit anything. the professor can do whatever he/she wants wrt attendance grading.

the college paper at my college was so bad (grammatical/spelling/general idiocy) that i loved to read it just to look for all the stupid mistakes
 

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wait, your grade is dependent on your attendance in 'murica?

even when i went to college years ago, this was a policy some teachers/professors had in place. if you missed more than X amount of days, your final grade was dropped one letter grade. not all teachers have this requirement, although many might. especially those with early morning classes which tend to be more frequently skipped.
 

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I would be more concerned that the writer is exhibiting the skills of the "typical" American college student. That, and the feeling of entitlement exhibited by the writer is scary.
 

SheHateMe

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wait, your grade is dependent on your attendance in 'murica?

No, but in many College courses attendance is required. This has more to do with people skipping class frequently rather than requiring attendance for no good reason at all(I've had classes where the instructor didn't care if you came or not..).

In the most extreme cases, some courses will require attendance everyday with little or no forgiveness for skipping. I have had several classes where you begin to lose 5%-10% of your grade after missing x number of classes. If you are given 7 days to skip for free during a 15 week course thats two days a week...that is MORE than generous.

For many Professors and Instructors, having students skip their classes on a regular basis is taken as disrespect since they put time into developing lectures and presentations. If you are going to pay $430 /c (at my Uni)....its worth your while to actually show up to class.
 
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IronWing

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Ms Royce skipped too many days in her English Composition class. Hopefully, her article fit the space that needed filling in the paper layout so that it wasn't a complete waste of effort.
 
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FalseChristian

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I remember when I went to Seneca college in Toronto way back in 1983. I was 19 and a party animal at the time. I must of missed 80% of my classes but I still managed to get 3 credits. They felt that you were an adult and you were paying directly so if you didn't want to show up it was none of the college's (or government's) business. You had to get a 50% average to pass at my college. It didn't matter if you showed up or not. The U.S. is supposed to be democracy where adults (18+) can make their own decisions!
 

SheHateMe

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You had to get a 50% average to pass at my college. It didn't matter if you showed up or not. The U.S. is supposed to be democracy where adults (18+) can make their own decisions!

Sure...but that shouldn't be the status quo.


I am afraid that if America left many of its adults to their own devices when it came to trivial things like attending class in college....we'd be in worse shape than we already are.
 

IronWing

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I remember when I went to Seneca college in Toronto way back in 1983. I was 19 and a party animal at the time. I must of missed 80% of my classes but I still managed to get 3 credits. They felt that you were an adult and you were paying directly so if you didn't want to show up it was none of the college's (or government's) business. You had to get a 50% average to pass at my college. It didn't matter if you showed up or not. The U.S. is supposed to be democracy where adults (18+) can make their own decisions!

For tax supported colleges it would be nice to trim the retards and party animals. I don't mind paying for students who put in the effort but it kind of chaps my butt to see slackers wasting everybody's time and money and dragging down the experience for the serious students.
 

FalseChristian

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For tax supported colleges it would be nice to trim the retards and party animals. I don't mind paying for students who put in the effort but it kind of chaps my butt to see slackers wasting everybody's time and money and dragging down the experience for the serious students.

You have a good point. I think you're right but for those who don't rely on the gov't to pay for school they should be able to be absent as often as they wish as long as the maintain that 50% average.
 

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College grades based on attendance is stupid. The student is paying to take each lecture, on the order of $50. The student can decide for themselves if they want to miss their $50 per lecture since they already paid for the service. Grades should be based solely on merit. Seems like common sense. Professors get paid salary regardless of student attendance. Exceptions being courses based on speech, giving professional style presentations etc.
 

SheHateMe

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You have a good point. I think you're right but for those who don't rely on the gov't to pay for school they should be able to be absent as often as they wish as long as the maintain that 50% average.

Okay fine....but then they should keep their mouth shut about how they can't find a job after their party is over.
 

Broheim

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hmm, I guess that's an effective way to go about it. Schools get to enforce attendance how ever they want to here in Denmark but the vast majority of them don't care, as long as you turn in your papers and pass your exams they're fine with you sleeping in. My school is a bit uppity the first semester to weed out the slackers, they'll give you a test to see if you're actually learning if they feel your attendance is too low (so they know if they should spend money on examining you).
 

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required attendance is retarded. some of my classes had it. some of them that didn't have it though had pop quizzes at the beginning of class, and if you weren't there at the start you couldn't begin it late and got a 0 on it. and the quizzes were extremely easy and nearly impossible to NOT get a 100% on.

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SheHateMe

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About 90% of my tuition is paid for with Grants from both the Government and my University.

I would be remiss if I squandered the opportunity that was generously afforded to me. That's why I can't wrap my head around what this 'tard is saying.

I barely get 4 hours of sleep and I work 30 hours a week on top of having class twice a week. If I am not doing that, I am studying for the CCNA. I just got hired as a Jr. Sys Admin for my University....you think I would have gotten there if I chose to catch up on the sleep I'm missing out on everyday?

I wake up tired everyday, but I still iron my underoos, do my hair, and hit the door by 7:30 to be at work. Yea, having to show up to places when I am tired is really lame...but that is life.


wtf are iClickers?

There are wireless response devices. Usually used in large lectures. Think about how votes are taken from audiences on gameshows. For many large lecture classes at MSU, the only class materials needed is an iClicker. All you have to do is pay attention in class and answer a quiz question every once in a while....easy. Heck, you could even get by without studying just looking at what other people are buzzing in.
 

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required attendance is retarded. some of my classes had it. some of them that didn't have it though had pop quizzes at the beginning of class, and if you weren't there at the start you couldn't begin it late and got a 0 on it. and the quizzes were extremely easy and nearly impossible to get a 100% on.

How can the quizzes be extremely easy but nearly impossible to get a100% on?

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Maybe I'm just not focused today, but I can't really tell if she's for or against attendance in college. It could be that her article just sucks. I dunno.
 
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required attendance is retarded. some of my classes had it. some of them that didn't have it though had pop quizzes at the beginning of class, and if you weren't there at the start you couldn't begin it late and got a 0 on it. and the quizzes were extremely easy and nearly impossible to get a 100% on.

Does not compute.
 

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If you're paying to go to school, you should be able to attend as little or as much as you want. As long as you're completing assignments and exams and passing both, what's the problem?
 

SheHateMe

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If you're paying to go to school, you should be able to attend as little or as much as you want. As long as you're completing assignments and exams and passing both, what's the problem?



Attendance policies are enacted at the discretion of the instructor. The only school wide attendance policy is that you have to show up for the first week or first few sessions of class before you are dropped.
 
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If you're paying to go to school, you should be able to attend as little or as much as you want. As long as you're completing assignments and exams and passing both, what's the problem?

I can see that argument, but on the other hand, universities probably want to keep their rankings up as high as possible (grades, accomplishments, graduates, etc) and one way for that is to try to get kids to go to class as much as possible.